[Anime] Suisei no Gargantia

The Galactic Human Alliance actually knew that the hideauze are humans, and that the whole war is just a continuation of the Evolved war on earth.

Well I was right about the place being some kind of science lab and the Squids being created. But not like that, shit man. Ledo's reality just got thrown out teh window.

Holy shit I had a feeling that humanity was somehow involved with the creation of the hideazue... but I didn't expect that at all... damn.

so basicly, the guys on space(ledo's folks) are the rebels who oppose the evoluters, and the hideazue are the evolutors.

Meh. If I didn't think that there's always a high probability of mysterious alien lifeforms being human, I probably would have been surprised. I mean otherwise who would expect space cephalopods to be gene-altered humans? The way the war is set up was strange. Who has the time to fight a war when the planet is freezing over? How was one side not eliminated before it became a full-force space war? Also, does this plot twist really change much? Ledo was quite quick to vaporize the pirates earlier. It's not like he had much problem fighting other humans to begin with. At the very least, it makes the emotional impact much, much softer.

Well, kind of like everyone else, I never expected genetically modified humans to be the start of the Hideauze. Still, I see mankind being stupid again in this anime. But damn, that ending where Chamber killed that squidgirl, that was a little depressing. I can't wait to see how things go in the next episode.

"Squid monsters are actually humans!"

Knowing that the Hideauze are actually evolved humans really put a damper on the suspense since I was expecting it to be revealed while watching through the entire episode. Ledo is in deep shit now; judging by his looks after Chamber just blatantly squashed poor squid girl, he's probably going to rebel against him. I'm guessing another battalion of squid is going to come for Ledo after squid girl's death or maybe for his intrusion; and it probably will affect the newly disbanded fleet too.

you know, i thought chamber was a real dick for killing that squid girl against ensign ledo's commands but he brings up a valid point - two extreme ideologies can't coexist. that's probably the basis of most if not many wars.

but still, earthlings were all coexisting in ignorance yet happiness

really interesting that the evolvers who were pursuing science and intellect that the "rest" condemned (well, genetic mutation) are now no longer pursuing it and the "rest" are now the pursuers of intellect

Colonel Kugel chose the "I'm a god" route, and "brainwashed" a whole fleet into his cult of Squid KKK

Pinion sure did get progressively dumber as the episode went on. Ledo continues to mope around shocked about how he has killed "humans" (but you're not human if you're a pirate I guess). And everyone else mopes about how Ledo has done something "terrible". In an unexpected turn of events, Chamber turns out to have most sensible things to say in this situation. Indeed, the Hideauze can't really be considered human if they abandoned everything that defined them as such to the point where they cannot even communicate with others anymore.

Yeah, looks that way. So dumb.

...Ummm, not gonna lie, a few things that grate on my senses a wee bit.
1 - Pinion gets REALLY dumb, REALLY fast, and so the majority of people listen to him (*facepalm*)

2 - They somehow have resources needed to restore high tech weaponry and were actually able to use a piece of it (granted, Chamber could have probably helped out with the repairs) but honestly, the entire hitting buttons all willy nilly was able to get the gun to work was rather silly in my opinion.

3 - aaaaannnnnd another space man is here, aaaannnnnnd his fleet is creepy as fuck. Kaimax seems to have summed it up in a rather straightforward and humorous way.

1. Ledo never had a problem killing pirates, but since Hideauze are humans, theirs a problem?

2. What happened to that unquenchable blood lust for anything that could be identified as "Hideauze"? He never gave 2 shits for the innocent whale squids when he was arbitrarily slaughtering them.

3. Is it because their formally human, their life has meaning now? What the hell? What kind of twisted logic is that?

4. He had how long? How many opportunities? How many people telling him to f**king question his meaning, but it takes butchering humans, a second time, for him to change? This one I can get over as a logical obstacle that he came to and is now dealing with, but in that way, that just brings me to dislike his character.

As extreme as the Hideazu's ideology was, I do not see how that interfered with the humans one. Different ideologies only clash when they come across something both sides want but refuse to share/relinquish. The whale squids and the earthlings had been fine sharing the ocean. Ledo is the one who ruined the balance and co-existence based off misconceptions and assumptions. Other than Pinion and a couple others, most humans on the original fleet were completely okay with living along side the whale squids while still pursuing technological advances, in Pinion's case, he wanted revenge, everyone else, their greed wanted what happened to be in the whale squids lair. Their was no clash of ideology that lead to that genocide.

"Machine Calibers" are the humanoid robots right? How were their creation necessary for mankind to remain as humans, without the war I would see no use for them. Construction and transportation? Don't see why they would need weapons or be humanoid. Agriculture and preservation? Still nope. It just seems that the anti-evolutionist started a war that neither side wants to stop, or at the very least, the humans don't want to stop. If space Hideauzes are like the earth ones, then they are simply defending themselves. If offensively attacking, probably under the same mindset Ledo was under a few episodes ago "attack before being attacked".

I don't see how chambers point matches up with their actions towards the whale squids. As extreme as he makes out the space Hideauzes ideology, the whale squids never shared it.

He's always been a soldier, so I don't think the killing was what was affecting him so much as it was the fact that his entire life was a lie. Everything that he has ever known, his goals, his purpose- absolutely everything.

A couple things:
1. The "Evolvers" laughed at international law on a worldwide broadcast. Generally, people don't get off so easy after doing what amounts to political suicide. Additionally, the Evolvers did this so mankind could explore space, but regular humans wound up being able to travel in space just as capably. The Regulars also invented a warp gate system, which the Evolvers didn't. And how did the Evolvers react? By attacking the Regulars so that the gate wouldn't be blown up. They wanted to evolve but they wound up using the Regular's technology anyway. The Evolvers also lost (intentionally?) the ability to converse with Regulars. The Regulars may not be "good guys", but the Evolvers aren't exactly a race promoting sunshine and rainbows either.

2. Chamber's dialogue did not necessarily pertain only to Machine Calibers. It was more about "knowledge". The Regulars used their knowledge to improve themselves. On the other hand, Evolvers abandoned all knowledge. The whalequids are primitive compared to the space Hideauze, but are still supposed to be "evolved" humans. Yet they are incapable of communicating with humans and don't display much intelligence beyond the instincts that animals have.

The imagery from episode 10 implies that it is the killing that is bothering him. Even if we ignore that, nothing has really changed except we know that the Hideauze were once humans a long time ago. The Hideauze threat is still there regardless.

1.1 - Criticizing people/political systems through media outlets is nothing new. A mild example would be the US media's portrayal and ridicule of Canada and it's citizens, which I still don't understand. I am aware of the bad relations between the Canadians and the French-Canadians, but the US's ridicule does not differentiate between the two, expressing a discontent with them as a whole. But we would never turn them away, we rely on them more so than most people realize. I've seen Republicans bashing Europeans numerous times, mostly French, but we still work together.

I find no reason in "Evolvers didn't like Regulars" as means to deem them bad or hostile. (Well taking in account a republican mindset... Maybe.)

1.2 - Blown up the gate? Do you mean episode one? I'll probably re-watch the series after it finishes, if my memory is off sooner... If you do mean episode, when the humans lost and were retreating, I can speculate a number of ideas.
-The Hideauze are not aware of the Regular's location.
-Traveling normally (their way) would take too long, the regular's military base may be mobile.
-Those bunch wanted revenge for the brethren they lost.
-They wanted to spite the Regulars with the same technology they used to harm them with.
-Just because the gate is gone wouldn't mean the Regulars wouldn't make another to start up attacking again.
...and such. I'll rewatch episode 9 or 10 (and probably one) at some point, to make sure I am not missing something from the documentary. (I am remembering the "gate" as a construct at the moment.)

1.3 - What I got from the battle in the first episode, it wasn't the Hideazu attacking the Regular's area, it was the Regulars invading theirs.

1.4 - Them losing the means for human speech I would assume is a process of evolution not will. Our previous forms did not have human speech after all. Dolphins and Whales developed their own, that we don't understand. I doubt every aspect of their "rapid evolution" was predicted, at most, I would assume, maybe a thousand years would be predictable.

1.5 - This is most likely why I'll re-watch 9-10, I missed the "desire for space" part, but in terms of "capability".
-Humans are disposed of if they are not useful for military service, they are tools before individuals.
-If they have outstanding record, and survive long enough, they get a small break (I think, maybe it was a retirement, but that would be counter productive, to lay off your best soldiers ).
-Only a privilege few can live a life of freedom and luxury (from my understanding).
-They are completely useless outside their Machine Caliber, if Ledo is viable candidate for example.
-They, soldiers, seem to lack any education outside the needs for military and survival.
Granted I do not know the Hideazu's lifestyle, but from the Whalesquid example, I would assume it's not that bad.

2. As for improving "themselves", all they did was improve the environment around them and the tools at their disposal.

Just because the Whalesquids didn't display it, doesn't mean that they lost it. For all the thousand/million/billion years they've existed, they never branched out and left that facility.

If I understand correctly, dolphins share the same capacity for knowledge and intelligence as humans do. So now I am thinking of Dolphins.

1.1
The Evolvers ambassador laughed in the face of international law... on international TV. Lawbreakers are typically called "criminals", are they not? Again, I'm not suggesting the Regulars/Alliance are good guys, but that both sides are jerks.

1.2
Episode 9. Regulars build the first warp gate. They plan on blowing it up after using it. The Evolvers attack to prevent the explosion. It is implied that the Evolvers are successful and use that warp gate.

1.4
Except this is not natural evolution. In fact, we even see the first major test subject capable of living in space despite still looking mostly human. And if the whalesquids could talk, they would have said "This is our home, go away!" instead of mindlessly charging towards the highly advanced robot that was cutting through them very easily.

1.5
"-They are completely useless outside their Machine Caliber, if Ledo is viable candidate for example."
I can see where you are coming from, but it is a matter of relativity. There is both a huge culture difference and a huge technological difference. For example, a person who could be considered useful today, may be useless if they were sent 500 years in the past. Their knowledge and abilities have not changed, but their surroundings dictate in what way they are "useful".