[General] 2011 anime Fanrage is just.....

Before I reply, I just want to say I only read the initial post.


Yes and no. They certainly do not recognize the true purpose of the titles you've put up. However, I'm rather sure that everybody, subconsciously at least, realizes the purpose of the show: to draw in more viewers.

In my opinion, one of the most important parts of being a critic, or even a knowledgeable viewer of something, is to realize intent for the show. For example, you do not judge comedy on the basis of a drama that is not present - you judge it on the comedy. If you go into a slice-of-life expecting action, a satire expecting a mecha, or a psychological or philosophical work expecting no analysis or reflection necessary, you're doing something horribly wrong. To be a knowledgeable viewer, you need to be an informed viewer, at least willing to put in the effort to pre-gauge a work by its target and recognizing truthfully whether or not the work is for you. Simply? If it is not to your liking by the very description itself, do not watch it. Criticisms do not need to be heard from people who are prejudiced against the show from the onset.

Of course, this lays way to another interesting thing I've noted. This is the "ardent defender", who seems to use the argument of "intent" to defend a show, no matter how bad. I find these people just as annoying as the former. The argument of purpose is only valid when the purpose itself is being actively striven for, and when the subject actually manages to fulfill that purpose. Deviations and failures must be objectively viewed, and this is not over-analysis. This is viewing the show through an objective lens. Defending what's wrong is just as moronic as fighting what's correct.

I will never look at comedy and say, "gee, it was good, but it needed more death and violence." That wasn't the point. What I will say, however, is "Wow, that was fucking stupid" when a comedy show attempts to do drama and fails miserably. You cannot defend this failure by arguing "intent" because it wasn't the intent in the first place, and even if it was, it was done poorly. You cannot say "The show didn't take itself seriously, so you shouldn't have" - if the characters and scenario take themselves seriously, you should. On the flipside, I will immensely enjoy the plethora of generic harem and ecchi shows, complete with cliches and what have you, but when it comes down to it, it's likely that they were mediocre in their execution and subject matter.

For example, to take note of one of the examples you used, I'll talk about Blood-C. "That's not the Saya that I know and Love, and there's no Chiropteran" is not a valid criticism. A valid criticism of the show is as follows: "drags on far too long in the ludicrously boring S.o.L. segments and takes itself seriously (and expects the audience to) at the end of the episode. There is absolutely no plot action in the show." This is why I think Blood-C is a horrible show. Here are some more examples, following. Sacred Seven has characters that take themselves seriously in a setting that doesn't, and where events (most notably, the maid guard) have broken my suspension of disbelief. Yumekui Merry tried too hard to be serious when all it did was manage to show how bad whoever the writer of the show was at developing character. Ano Hana succeeded at being a tearjerker, but failed on so many other fronts that I can't say it's anything above "good."

EDIT: Also, since you seem to be frequenting this thread Kai, can you tell me what this means?
そのホテルには名前の付いている和室がある
That "no" in between "namae" and "tsuite iru" is tripping me up.

Higurashi Kira ecchi really? Didn't know it became ecchi. Might look into it.

GundamUnderAge well it's for John Cena lovers meaning kids, not the teens or real gundam fans.

Well everything is our own opinions, but the ratings and how the merchandise sells and people it pulls in time will tell if they did something good for the anime series.

Well to be fair, "Higurashi didn't become ecchi". It has always been ecchi when there's no murder involved (The penalty games after school). They just decided to make a FULL ecchi OVA series. Showing IF Higurashi was more of a comedic series.
Most of the fanrage comes from "them" expecting another murder case, then labeling this will ruin the main story. lol

@catch: Nice that you can drop by and post your opinions. I always liked your opinions.
So basically I fall into the "ardent defender", huh? XD

PM'd you about the Japanese

Ey catch, you still blogging? Since I lost the link I never had a chance to visit it again. Wanted to see how you review KIMI TO NATSU NO OWARI or Penguin Drum.

Well I guess in Higurashi Kira they're "experimenting" weather it'll be something good. Plus it'll attract alot of otaku guys, they're gonna milk the franchise that way going ecchi. Just hoping it wouldn't be like that forever.

Similar cases of this is Full Metal Panic it had FMP Fumofu a spin off comedy.

This is the first time I've seen you of all people rant. Anyway, as a fan of the higurashi series, the OVA was average. I thought the "Soul Brothers" thing was corny. Lulz they even put yaoi fanservice.

OT:I've never seen blood+ but thanks to the posts above, I know I'm not missing anything important by immediately skipping to Blood-C, maybe. Honestly I wasn't really disappointed with Rei, it broke away from the monotony and I love to see characters I'm familiar with in ecchi situations, when they usually aren't.

In fact, "alternate universe" titles interest me. I believe Gainax was working on a Gurren Lagann "Spiral Boy" manga, but it hasn't updated in a while.

Well, I'm not a saint, and of course there's bound to be 1 or 2 subject that really "hit" the nerve.

Im one openminded fucker, no fanrage ever. But well said Kaimax.

I think the problen with blood-c is: why did it have to be blood? is like those megaman battle network games, why such a stupid game with too many sequels had to involve megaman? if the game was good there would be no problem. but really megaman battle network?

It's like the people behind blood-c thought that they had a good idea for an anime end they involved the blood franchise to be able to sell it. personally I only watched the first episode not because I rage quit it for not being the old blood or blood+, but because I found it totally boring, or at least not as entertaining as I thought it may be.

It's the usual "Let's try something New" plan. In your eyes Magaman Battle Network may sound like "WTF?". But The Battle Network Franchise really raked in many fans, and especially popular with the kids, if it was really a flop project it won't get 6 games. Honestly, from a gamer point a view the gameplay is a challenge and lots of time feels harder than your usual Megaman, due to the RPG and strategy element. Of course the story is the usual "Let's save the internet world" aimed for kids, but it's not half bad.

So, Blood C is also on that "Let's try something new Plan" Of course their target is also new to Blood+, not just the Blood+ fans.

Yep. Here's the link. I didn't write a large review for AnoHana, as you can see. I might go back and do it sometime. As for Penguindrum, here's the link to all of what I've written about anime, so far.



Yep. But we all have our flaws, and I'm hardly one to say that I've kept my principles up on every single show. They slip up, every now and then. For example, Infinite Stratos. I went into that expecting an awesome story, mainly because I hadn't read the synopsis, and of course, was sorely disappointed, as my reactions in the IS thread probably reveal.

While I understand you, it's honestly not all that different from any other time the anime "community" rages. There's just a bit more of a certain "type" of rage going around right now.



You really need to find a help group for your masochism.

You really need to stop going to MAL forums eh?

I'm kinda feeling glad that I haven't entered the anime discussions board on MAL yet, lol.

Just to be fair, the forums in MAL also has intelligent users much like Catcher for example.

I can tell, intelligent users are everywhere, just not in large numbers, even on MAl, yes?

You can't really blame fans of an original series for raging when a new series that shares the same name ends up having a nearly different "style" of storytelling. its one thing to try something different, but its another thing to lose the aspects, charm and qualities that made the originals so well admired among the fans. My only beef in this regard is with the recent Higurashi release. I understand that it was made for lulz, but thats not what I watched Higurashi for. Not only that, but the gags were crap. It would've been well appreciated by me if they used more dark humor. Kira wasn't fucking amusing at all, it was just plain dumb. The only thing that made it better than a Naruto filler was the ecchi. As for the idea of drawing in a new crowd of fans, I don't see the point in doing that since you're alienating the old fans who don't appreciate the new style/theme. I can't complain too much though, since I don't pay for anime.

Getting mad at people who rage over this kind of stuff is like getting mad at a guy who rages that their date turned out to be a trap. They both thought they knew what to expect, but it turned out wrong. IMO, if studios wanna try something new, then they might as well make it a new series, not milk a already popular franchise. I'll be damned if shit like this happened to a series like Gantz, Evangelion or Berserk.