Naruto or Bleach?

At least they don't spend many chapters training for some bullshit that the author pulled out of his ass .

That doesn't even make any sense
The whole reason for the training is so that it won't feel as if the new skill/move came out of nowhere and shit deus ex machina all over the place.

Since when was Sage Mode ever mention before shit started? You expect a talentless teenager to learn all this? If Naruto was so good at Kage Bunshin, why hasn't anyone else thought of this?
And sorry, watching someone train for a couple of chapters bore me to death.

It wasn't pulled out in the middle of a fight to save an otherwise hopeless situation.


The teenager said to have the ability to surpass both Jiraya and the fourth talentless? Wut?


You're saying that no one except Naruto uses KB's?..


Ok. Interesting.

How else will Naruto improve in his own way? Copy from someone else? How original.

Everyone says he's talentless, hell even Orichimaru and Jiraya had an argument about teaching someone worthless like him and now he has talent?

No, I'm saying if it was that easy why isn't anyone else doing it? Also, producing more Kage Bunshins to learn techniques faster? That's so cheap.

I hope you learned something then. :]

So you're saying that character development is best handled by using deus ex machina instead of actually showing the actual development?


Yes everyone said that, in the beginning of the series like 7 years ago..
There's been some development since then, yes?

And no, Oro's and Jiraya's discussion wasn't about him being worthless, it was about jiraya stating that he prefers training hard working people like Naruto instead of some genius like Sasuke which proves no challenge and thus is boring.


Because of Naruto's massive chakra reserves which enables him to use KB's better than most.
It has already been explained in the manga.


Lol@feeble attempt at nitpicking

If you didn't like that then i really don't see how you can like characters getting their new skillz from nowhere, but i guess you're overlooking that since it's OP eh?


Regretfully it was useless information

Sorry Tribly, but KLoWn pretty much beats you here since he has more knowledge about Naruto.

At least they stay creative and interesting. Zoro mentions that during their journey, they've become stronger without realizing it. As they gradually fight in every battle, they've certainly learn something instead of training their asses off.


If Kishi comes up with another excuse/way to train 'extremely difficult' techniques, it'll just lower his credibility as an author even further.


Ok fine, I totally overlooked that. From the beginning, he has lots of stamina to create more chakra. You got me.



Lol, that has got to be the worst attempt to save face.




^Read the first quote. How often do we see Naruto with something new other than massive chakra, kage bunshin and element jutsu(which has got to be the most recycled idea since sliced bread)?
Besides that, if you're talking about haki as 'a new skillz out of nowhere' this was already hinted from chapter one(Chekhov's Gun); also, if it wasn't used, you would've said something else like "omg logia is too strong, lame" hmm?



It looks like you haven't learned anything because you were too arogant to look at things the other way.

At the very least, we can both say Bleach sucks yes?

Doesn't matter, it's still deus ex machina.


So did you think attacking the mangaka was gonna help you in this debate or something? lol

In fact, did what you just said have anything at all to do with what you quoted me on?


I wasn't aware that i needed to.

You might wanna explain why you think it's a "cheap" idea though.


What "first quote"? Your first quote? In which post? Just fuckin quote it


Wrong.

Oda himself has stated that he didn't plan on OP to go on as long as it has, which is painfully obvious when Shanks get his arm biten off by that fodder sea king, so no, haki isn't something he had planned from the beginning.

What scared the Sea King away was Shank's killing aura, or scary eyes lawlz.

But no, i wasn't referring to Haki.

No?.. What?.. -.-'


So not finding your opinon on training arcs interesting is being arrogant?


Yes.

Naruto or Ichigo hmmmm neither as both have problems and the series aren't at an end

Seriously, Bleach wins hands down. NARUTO Sukus.

I'll start out in saying that, I do not like Naruto but Bleach has also been very dissapointing lately. Ichigo is a very weak character who can never stand up to the enemy; right now, Aizen is still demolishing everyone of the fighters, Vizards and all. And Ichigo relies too much on his power without thinking things through, showing that he himself doesn't have the strenght, but his hollow form.

In Naruto...um...I'm not too sure what the last thing I've seen Naruto do himself, for Sasuke has been the focus for very long, but I do not like any techniques he uses and whenever he does a skill, it needs an explanation apprantly.

Overall, I do not like either of them much, but because Bleach used to be a top manga of mine, I will say Ichigo. Naruto is okay as a character, he just doesn't "do" it for me.

Also, this is all my opinion, sorry if I've angered some diehard fans~^^

I do not like your post...

Also, from what anime/vn is that girl on your profile pic?

You forgot to mention that any episode with Kenpachi is good as well.

This is the way I see it


I don't dislike the anime at all but fanboys and fangirls take it so Seriously its almost considered life to them.

Long sentence short: I dislike fans but it keeps anime/hentai going for years to come.

With the way Bleach is going currently, and if I disregard the Naruto fail filler (the "peeing" filler), then I would still have to pick Naruto. At least the more recent fillers actually sort of fit with the story. And anyone who has read the manga knows how epic it will be when the current filler ends :D

However, I think Ichigo would most likely beat Naruto. Mostly due to the fact he can "fly" and is way faster than Naruto. That is unless some tails come out...

QFT


On topic I would much rather see a fight of the evil alter egos as they don't seem to hold back any.