NasuVerse (Tsukihime and Fate) VS To Aru Index-Verse

You've been gone for too long. :P

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Honestly, comparing these 2 worlds is difficult, since there's so much power ambiguity from To Aru Index's Side.

we still don't know how "hax", awakened full power Touma which is said, can end the world by negating the earths leylines. And Accelearator just keeps on growing if you give him the chance.

About Reality marble, I think Touma's Imagine Breaker can negate it though.

What I'm most intrigued is
Lancer (FSN) Vs Angel Accelerator.

Lol for sure.



I was thinking this too, as Accelerator's shield is of science not of magic. But range would screw lancer over (The plot always screw lancers over, don't you know?). I think Angel Accelerator would win.

As I said earlier though, I don't think there's any character in Index's world that could beat Ryougi Shiki. Bending reality to your will is just too strong, and if it's just Touma, she probably wouldn't have to even warp reality.

Wait what.

Ryougi and Tohno's perception on death are different. Ryougi sees lines. Tohno sees points that spread into lines.
MEoDP and Void Shiki's ability are two different things. There is no such thing as point of origin. Nothing is said or shown anywhere that she utilized her "destroy and recreate everything" power by using her eyes.
Her famous quote "If it's alive, I can kill god"? That's a bluff and said just for adding cool factor like "ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH". She can't see lines on Archetype Earth. She can't kill Types. She can't kill immortals that don't have a concept of death in the first place.
Next time, don't just post copy pasta from typemoon wiki and read the source material please.



DC.

I didn't include Void Shiki cause she would one shot the whole Index universe.
She can just destroy the concept of Espers and what not. She's on a universal+ level.


Also type Mercury/ORT aren't included, since he is from Angel Notes, a short novel made by Nasu before Tsukihime. Though it KINDA is set in the future of the Tsukihime verse, i rather not count it.




Also on the note of Lancer VS Accelerator. Accelerator takes it, i think the only thing that can take Accelerator would be Caster's Rule Breaker

Nope, cause Accelerator powers isn't "magical", and Rule Breaker can only affect magical powers. Rule Breaker won't even effect him.

I See....

Then Shiki Tohno can just destroy the AIM field around him, no?
Or Arcueid at full power can just simply punch him. His vector sheild was only shown (As far as i known) to have blocked a continental buster, and i think it's safe to say full powered Arcuied is a planet buster (or i guess anything smaller than the earth?). Well a moon drop would take care of it too.

I don't think you've "read" how powerful Angel Accelerator is....

-cut his AIM field, Can Shiki even get close to him, while Accelerator is flying in super human speeds?

-In the time Arc calls in the moon, He pretty much have enough time, to fly and touch her..

As i said i am abit behind. As far as i read he was no where near a planetary level defense or offense.

I can understand him blitzing Tohno. But Arcueid gains stats +1 of her opponent as long as they don't go above Gaia (Earth). So I'm sure she will have no problem simply holding him down (Yes surpassing his vector shield) while the moon drops on both of them, just for her to survive the impact.

AGAIN though i request some newer feats to show he is on a planetary level.
Otherwise Arcueid has him wrapped up, and the next problem is Fiamma and uh..i forgot her name. The angel that is immortal and knocks normal people out by just being in their presence.

Before making a VS thread, you should have both the latest info and knowledge, or you'll just come out as being biased...

Accelerator's Vector Shield is one of his earlier powers.
Angel Accelerator is in a whole another level.
-Becomes a Divine being, an Angel. And in the final volume, he's power level is closer to God like.
-Imaginary Vectors, He doesn't need to touch vectors to control them
-He can redirect gravity himself.


So, Accelerator can just annihilate Arcueid from Outer space.

I understand that, but i assure you i am not being biased. If anything i know more of Index than Nasuverse. Being a very big Accelerator defender back in the days of Accelerator vs Flash.

I am well aware of everything you have just named.

Do you have any feats (Like passages from the novel) of him being shown on a planetary level?

The best feat i have read is when his block Fiamma's continental buster and no more.
Also before you say Fiamma is a star buster, that is true, but at the time he attacked Accelerator he was not a star buster, but later became one.

Also for the thing with Accelerator attacking Arcueid from space, thats nice but does he have the damage output to actually kill her?


ALSO: I am aware of his feat of stopping the earth's rotation for a few moments and putting it into an attack. Although powerful, it's not enough to destroy a planet itself.

Lol, someone's been playing the Arkham games? :P

I thought you were gonna say the Flash before I opened the spoiler.

I hate that whole NLF with Batman and Preptime.

Hmm... I think as long as Accelerator is untouchable he somewhat god-like... even if Shiki can kill Gundams with a knife but as long as their beam fired first before that the Gundam will be in pieces then its the Gundams win? sorry for bring Gundams here but as long as the god/saints/any supernatural that can knock down OHK Shiki without getting hit then its their win...

Just like Tsuna

Sorry i just cant see how Accelerator to be hit

That's not true though, Accelerator has a limit on what his vector shield can defend against.

When the meteor shower hit down on him, he was completely unable to defend against it and was tossed around like a rag doll.

You guys keep trying to use NLFs :

Hmmm I guess thats true... well should this be categorized as "depending on the situation"? If somehow he manage to evade/dodge/hide her attack then he wins and if not he dies in pieces...

Im not really familiar to Ryougi (just basing on what i read here) and Im only assuming she has same powers as Shiki but more powerful in terms of physical capabilities?
-Can she also cut Huge Magic/Esper attacks like the magics of Index when in John Pen mode?

Can't somehow accelerator change the vector of a single attack? If its a god-like slash like Mayuzumi of Majikoi (0.1 sec I think) even accelerator cant see it...

lol im defending To Aru for Kanzaki

I...can't even keep up with what you're saying.
Accelerator's vector shield reaction time is LS, we can't go off of "depending on the situation" because its unreliable and works on assumptions. We have to go off fact.

TAKE THIS EXAMPLE:

A vs. B

A has destroyed a city, and has tanked an attack that destroyed a planet, and is Hypersonic+

B has destroyed a star, tanked an attack that destoryed a planet, and is hypersonic+.

Who wins this?
Clearly B, because B has a feat that puts his damage output on being able to destroy a star, where A has only shown a feat where he tanked an attack that destroyed a planet, which is much smaller than a star and less dense, and they are the same speed.


You could say "Well we haven't seen their full potential" or "He has never been shown to lose to any sort of attack, even though they only shown him tanking a planet buster"

In that case, it's just sort of a Too Bad situation, since there is no proof or fact shown either way.

TD;L we have to rely on what characters have shown and not what we THINK they can do.

And Like I said, that's not possible for To Aru characters.
1. Because it's still ongoing, there's room for development.
2. To Aru doesn't define powers specifically, most of them are shrouded in mysteries.

on the other hand
Nasuverse characters powers are described in the story completely.

Lets see...

Saber:EXCALIB---
Touma: Nope. (negates uber excalibur)

It is possible, and it goes on multiple times, not only with Index, but PLENTY of other anime/manga/LNs. You just simply go off what they have shown. I understand what you're saying, but it's simple comes to "Deal with it bro".

Index has shown plenty to give it more than a fair shot, it's not like we're using it with 2 chapters or one volume out. I mean hell, it could beat the DBZ-verse.



Kiritsugu can simply shoot him in the face

But then Saber cuts his arm off with Excalibur.