Possible to analzye "Code Geass"

Yeah, the debate about Lelouch's outcome is heavily debated everywhere. AnimeSuki was in chaos if I could remember. :roll:

It's true that most shounen just pull stuff out of nowhere. Take Bleach. Anyone can see that Mr. Kubo is desperately running out of ideas. Bleach is a 6/10 in my book, and Code Geass is an easy 9/10. However, you have to admit with Bleach, there just isn't as much as things that don't make sense like with R2.

I mean, is there even anything to think about with Bleach? I don't see any debates surrounding its story, but debates about Geass is all over the place. There are just so many things that are too vague and messed up. Most Shounen lacks intelligence as you say, but that's also the reason there's nothing to argue about them. There are no alternative opinions.

Wasn't there a character on the "Death List" that came back later on?

I really don't care what the staff of sunrise says. They can't say he's dead after giving that much evidence about the fact that Lelouche is alive...

We all know that in transfering the Geass to a succesor means transfering memories as well and I think that is the explaination of Nunally reading his mind.

RR can also mean Rerouche Ramperouge (since japanese can't say their L's) which we have seen all the Code's having the code names such as that... IDK... There are also symbolisms in the end (like the paper swan which is supposed to symbolise rebirth) to give hints that he is alive... Sunrise can't back out now. For me at least.

Also, it wasn't that hard a show to understand... Watch Rahxephon and wrap your mind around that. :P Best anime ever if you can though.

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@ZeroOBK: The fact that most shonnen's pull shit outta no where doesn't mean Code Geass has to as well. >_>

Here is a person who shares my views. :D However I do think that "RR" bit is a bit trivial...I think "Code Geass" showing Lelouch having both the Code and the Geass is a better example.

Lol, yeah, I think this is the most accurate and what you got there is pretty right on in my opinion. As for the RR part, it's not fact but I think it's right as the L get's slaughtered over there... I mean people call Holo, Horo from Spice and Wolf and we don't hardly EVER see anyone say Holo...

Also, what we believe in is the ONLY explaination. As much as sunrise can bitch about it, they've created an explaination and proof of Lelouche being alive against their own will you can say... Also, I thought Clamp was the one who came up with the story...

Sunrise edited the original script too much so make it "viewer-friendly", and thus stuff got a bit screwed. Yes, our explanation is the only way for CG to make sense. Sunrise can't even get it to make sense themselves. Pretty ironic. :D

CLAMP only did the character designs.

I see... Hmmm, I thought it was Clamp that made the story... Explains why there aren't that many flash backs. XD (For those who have seen X you know what I'm talking about :P)

I never saw that part as Nunally seeing Lelouch's memories. Rather, I thought that Nunally used her dazzling imouto magic to see Lelouch's lie. There was a scene or two where Nunally held somebody's hand to see if they were lying (I think she did this with Suzaku and her ... babysitter), so I thought that it was pretty natural for her to see through Lelouch's lie when she held his hand as he died. How she could do this would be complicated, which is where the passing of the code could make for a better explanation.

It's almost impossible not to analyze Code Geass, but I personally try not to because in the end, I don't think it really matters too too much. The magazine was never really all that serious and canon with itself (I remember one of the character charts connecting Lulu and Shirley as koibito?! <--with the question/exclamation mark). I just like leaving it at Code Geass was awesome and I loved it. (:

Site was run by a third party, and that was just to keep people up-to-date on who was 'supposedly' dead. Sunrise never came out and said "lol Nunnally's dead" the way they have with Lelouch. Looking back at it now, it may have just labeled Nunnally as MIA instead. Add to that the official guidebook produced by Sunrise with help from Taniguchi and the writer that says Lelouch is dead, and well, he's just dead. Also, R2 = Rebellion and Rebirth (or Resurrection or something like that). Aside from "momeland" (which has been corrected) and odd names like Lelouch, Code Geass has contained surprisingly good English and so that RR bullshit is meaningless.

http://www.srsfkn.biz/2008/11/03/good-bye-code-geass/

http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/10/06/as-an-overanalyzer-i-would-have-to-say-that-lelouch-is-dead/

Well.. They're sunrise they can say anything they want unfortunately... Btw? anyone actually translate the book? I have some interest in seeing it

Wasn't the reason Nunally saw Lelouch's memory the same as when people accidently saw C.C.'s memory?
Shit that happens when you have a highly evolved geass.

Here I'll analzye Code Geass for you it suck's ball's. Worst anime ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :!:

Oh I'm sorry I couldn't stop myself my hate for this show run's do deep ugh I just can't stand it. If you share my hate show it Link.

Oh and didn't see the nevative rep comming. :roll:

I can assure you it was just a patellar reflex.

Ha that's good. I kind of feel this is off topic in some way but whatever. I can take a wild guess at your fav show so it's ok. When people dis Gin I get upset to. So I forgive you :wink: Oh and I really love using that :wink: symbol. Oh and someone + me too for that post anyway I wonder who that was? Oh and what's with your post before it's just quotes?

Suprise no one answered my questio on whether they translated that book or not XP

It hasn't been entirely translated as far as I'm aware, but here is where I found out about it.

It sorta bothers me that I can't really find too much to say.

Well, whatever. Here goes:

RahXephon was not that difficult to understand. You just had to watch the movie too.

ZeroOBK: You keep mentioning the Official Death List, but each time you reference it, you fail to answer what I consider a rather important character: If Lelouch was supposedly killed by Zero, doesn't it make sense for his name to appear on the list?

Wait...that's a dumb way to put it. Let me rephrase that.

The list proves nothing. Whether or not Lelouch actually kicked it cannot be proved by that list, simple because that list is a final In-universe death tally. If Lulu's name did not appear on an in-universe death tally, then it means his ruse did not work, and a world democracy was not established.

Which defeats the point entirely. I think of the Death List as a kind of Historical document from, say, 50 years in the future. Same way you could look up all the persons of interest who died during WWI/WWII/etc online.

I do agree, tho', that RR is pointless bullshit. It's like grasping at straws while you have a hay bale.

As for Nunally's "I can read people's hearts through their hands." ability, even if "The Creative staff explained", it's not a matter of refusing to believe it, so much as it is a matter of not being able to.

Absolute Obedience makes some sense. So does Time Perception, Heart Imprinting, Telepathy, and if you stretch it, Code Immortality.

Being able to read one's full intent in a single, brief hand touch is a bit much. Even for Nunally.

And fuck the creative staff. Yes, I know that their word amounts to a Word of God, but it's one of those instances where believing it amounts to God saying "Yes, that's how it is." while thinking "Oh shit, Oh shit, I really fucked up. I really hope no one notices."

As for Charles' code being transferred to Lelouch, it's what I think as well. And, if we are going to over-analyze, I am going to one-up you.

Let's start with CC's final statement, made out to Lelouch. I've heard the argument that she was speaking in the "They are in heaven and listening" sense, but that one makes no sense. You see, CC, Lelouch, Suzaku, Charles, and Marianne are atheists. It makes little sense to consider them believers, seeing as how Lelouch has destroyed the Gods of Mankind.

One can argue those were not "Gods", in the sense of Gods. On the other hand, the concept of God is a being who watches over what we, insignificant humanity, does, and judges us. The "Gods" that Lelouch told to fuck off were, in essence, just that. And, seeing as how he destroyed these, with his own hand, with a handful of still living witnesses, how would it make sense for CC to be speaking to Lelouch in God's domain, if God(s) have been destroyed?

Following that Logic, CC is not speaking to Dead Lulu. She is speaking to live Lulu. This coincides with the popular opinion that the cart driver is Lelouch.

But how, then, did Lulu get there, if he died? Well, that must mean he didn't. I know some small bits of medicine, and I can infer that that sword missed his heart and did not do too much damage, since Lelouch neither died instantly, nor went into shock. Instead, he flipped, slid down his platform while leaving behind a vast amount of blood, and made a badass one-liner. Then closed his eyes, and was still. Then, Orange called for a retreat and to take Lelouch to a hospital. In real life, the EW has rescued people on the brink of death due to stab wounds near, or rarely, to the heart. And this is Sci-Fi. I like to think that, if they have hover invalid chairs, they have some kind of Surgical aids for this sort of situation.

Next, we jump around a bit. First, we consider that Orange not only allowed the stabbing by letting Suzaku through, he did not appear at all concerned when Lulu fell and apparently died. He called a retreat, and fled with the body. Later, we see him working, quite happily, with Anya on an orange farm. Not too much time has passed, but he's content as cna be.

Why?

From what we've seen of Jeremiah, he's OCD and Neurotic. Season one's "I'm not Orange! ZEROOOOO! and R2's "Oh, you are Prince Lelouch? Then I have come to serve." reinforce these. The man is at an almost Yandare level of clingyness. He chooses to serve Lulu out of an obligation he feel's to Lelouch's mother, of all people. This to a man he knows ruined his career, had him dubbed orange, and took his eye and most of his body. Plus that stint as a giant, spiky ball.

No way he would not have had a fucking emotional breakdown over yet another failure if Lelouch had actually died.

Next, we consider that everyone in the world believes Lelouch died, ignoring the existence of Hospitals. But, seeing as how Britania still had quite a bit of power at around the time of his death, would it not be possible, hell, easy, to have a fake pronouncement of death?

Again, seeing as how he did not die immediately nor go into shock from his wound, I am fairly confident a modern hospital could have saved him, code or no fucking code.

Then, there's the theory, as ImperialX has stated quite well, about the Code Transfer that Charles carried out in the world of C. Seeing as how owners of the code were preternaturally resilient, even without the code activating upon death, one can draw a connection to Lulu's wound not doing a one-hit kill on him as a result of him owning Charles' code. This used to be my pet theory, as well, but I find it unlikely today that Power-mad Charlie would have given something as powerful as Immortality to Lulu. On the other hand, he WAS fucked up something good, so it's a possibility.

etc, etc. Sorry, I ran out of brain points for this rant. But I do hope I made a concise point of some kind.

I never said it was a hard to understand show, I just said wrap your mind around it. Also, I wouldn't say it's an easy show to understand though, as you have to rewatch the show multiple times to catch everything. I've watched it 5 times and have caught new things each time and there is symbolism in a lot of things as well which is fun to catch too. The movie does explain things pretty well (though people deny the connection between the series and the movie which I think they are related) but the OVA does put new questions in our minds. >_>

But I have to say, good explaination on the Code Geass part.

If you're talking about the list from the website, I've already said against it as a reference for being maintained by a third party and is only there to keep people up to date. Maybe they didn't want to spoil the absolute end, or maybe they're just lazy, it doesn't really matter. For the rest of the meta bullshit you "Lelouch = Alive" theorists spat, here.

Also,

lol... I think I set the sparks off war again... Crap >.>. Me and my perplexing thoughts on this anime.