How Can The Wipe Be Avoided In The Future

I'll say it again *sighs*. You have basically taken the time to devalue my concerns, and I have provided you with perspective on WHY my concerns are valid (from the perspective of a webmaster). I don't get why you aren't understanding the reasoning from my commentary, but I can't really explain it further than that.



Of course I believe they care, if I didn't think they did, I wouldn't have asked if they can actually take some additional steps / provide assurances to us so we have some renewed faith that perhaps in the future, our contributions won't go up in smoke. Perhaps you should reread my posts in this thread.

valid but unrelated to what you and I are talking about, how can you not see that? I cant speak about what the administration feels so why do you keep talking about it when speaking to me?

edit: you must be trolling.

I didn't even say this administration when I was replying to you. Go back and reread what I said.. I said that your views of "oh whatever, its no big deal, and not a loss" is not shared by the mentality of *any* webmasters who may care about their websites.



and with that, I'm not going to even bother acknowledging any further commentary by you in this thread (because frankly, I feel you are trolling me).

You have to give Hentai Pantsu credit though for at least taking the effort to ask ourselves why it happens and ask how we can prevent it (we as in Jacob of course haha)

He at least wasn't insulting anybody and took a mature approach to it, even offered some suggestions himself.

Everyones gonna be a little down over content lost, especially users who contribute to the site content wise like Gizgal and Waar mentioned.

If anyone is frustrated over it, I think Jacob would end up being the most frustrated. He has to explain himself to the entire user base, get the site stable again, and continue working from where he left off updating it. He's done quite a bit of apologizing (an excessive amount in my opinion) to the uploaders here, and he's taking a good approach by addressing what happened and moving on.

Unfortunately we can't turn back time and prevent it from happening, but what we can do is just move on from where we left off.

looks like you did.

Except that is not the attitude that webmasters who care about their site should have.

Is it wrong for me to say that webmasters should not share your view of "whatever, no big deal". Think about it. Tell me where that says "the admins / webmasters of fakku share this exact same opinion".

but none did and so it's not related to our discussion. What webmasters should feel have nothing to do with what I feel. It only clouds the issues we're talking about.

edit: it is wrong the use misdirecting tactics during a debate/conversation; even if done unknowingly.

My entire thread is directed to webmasters, it is completely applicable. I'm offering insight, advice, and suggestions to webmasters. Their mindset and how it may differ from yours is completely on topic (especially when trying to express that I feel your whole idea of "it doesn't matter" is wrong). Would you rather I just disagree with you and not provide an explanation? If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.



I'm not misdirecting anything, I simply provided an explanation that to a webmaster, this kind of loss is much more important / serious than you can understand / comprehend.

so you're replying to me by offering advice to the administration while not replying to me or my points? Do you not see the flawed logic in your point? It's unrelated to our conversation. If you want to make it a separate point then simply offer up a new conversation using my way of thinking as an example but that was a reply to me, you can't formulate a reply to me that isn't directed at me, it makes no sense and only serves to confuse.

Edit: I am not a webmaster, I don't care what a webmaster should feel about this event, when discussing things with me talk to me.

The only thing i offered to you directly was that a webmaster's view of the loss will be different from yours, and that i explained some of the reasons why. My advice / suggestions / additional perspective came from other messages directed to them, which AGAIN.. if you would reread what I wrote, would make sense to you (or maybe not, and this is just a hopeless case).



I am a webmaster, my concerns stem from being a webmaster (and having 13 years of experience as a webmaster under my belt). My thread exists because as a webmaster, I wanted to offer some advice, (perhaps additional) perspective, etc on the situation (while also, expressing my concern as a normal user of this site, coming in to ask if there was any way things might change in terms of how backups are performed).

You came into my thread, as a non webmaster, devaluing my concerns.. I simply tried explaining to you a different perspective (which completely applies to the context of MY thread). What part of that don't you understand. Frankly, if you didn't want me to debate with you why I felt my concerns are valid, you shouldn't have come into this thread trying to devalue them. Now who is trolling who at this point?

You came to feedback, you made a thread to gain support for an idea. Our administration doesn't need your advice. I came in as a user and explained my opinion saying this is a trivial issue (and it still is). I don't mind a debate, I really don't but the view of what administration should feel has nothing to do with what I or other users think/should feel. If you want to talk to the administration you should send and e-mail, or pm; that is not what this section is for. Re-reading your comments won't change the fact that this thread and your method of arguing are either misguided or simply unconvincing.

Are you speaking on behalf of all of them then? Advice should always be welcomed and at least considered ~ whether accepted or not. When the site has issues going down, there is no harm in sharing info on how this can be avoided in the future / or stressing other considerations on why this type of loss should be avoided. See, now you are speaking to me like as if you are a webmaster, and frankly I don't really care what you think at this point.

I'm telling you they do care about the data loss and your advice is redundant. While they don't have the backups that you recommended, if you really wanted to suggest that a pm or e-mail would be far better. This thread comes off a bitching and will most likely be ignored. This is me telling you, as a long time user, what I know.

I told you I'm not speaking for them, but you should think of my comment as "advice" to you, Ive been here a while and know how to reach them better than most.

Perhaps the 1.5 pages of useless back and forth between us may have something to do with that fact too. So thanks for that, really.

no problem, choose your words more carefully next time.

the opening post does come off as preachy and sounds like complaining regardless of the rest of the threads content.

Or maybe next time, *you* can have the decency not to unnecessarily hijack threads with an actual useful purpose.

I figure the likelihood of either happening is moot.

haha, stay off the internet if you don't want people to debate with you, I hear single player will never "hijack" your threads.

edit: just a reminder: you're derailing your own thread again.

Debating =/= Hijacking.

You took something constructive and turned it into useless banter.

Useless primarily because you have decided to shove your head in the ground and not listen to anything logical or reasonable.

Do you honestly think you didn't sound like you were bitching and slightly preachy from the start? You didn't take the appearance of constructive, it's funny to claim so now.