System for Mute Certain Tags and Artists

I see, that does make sense. Allowing users to blacklist subscriptions or books would indeed hurt fakku and be kinda silly now considering that the unlicensed content is gone.


I think it's more about the convenience of not even having to see content you truly dislike, like Kcaz64 pointed out hiding an entire tag could possibly mean you missing out on something you might enjoy on the other hand there are some people with very strong opinions on certain tags.
I honestly think being able to hide certain artists makes more sense than tags you might not hate every NTR chapter out there but if you hate a certain art style I don't see how that would change or how an artists would change do a 180 on the way he draws.

I never claimed they were. I'm saying that it can affect how appealing fakku is as a distribution platform. If you're choosing what website to work with and they both offer very similar services, but one will give you a significantly larger audience, you would obvious choose the one with the larger audience. I don't know how much this really matters, but it is a thing that could be a factor. That's basically my point here. I'm not arguing against this feature; I'm trying to explain possible downsides to having it.



Sometimes people make dumb choices. Just because it's their own choice doesn't make it a good one. For every person out there who is 100% against something and will 100% definitely want it blocked forever, there are probably 10 newbies who just randomly block stuff on a whim because they think they'll never like it. Is the benefit gained from that one person saving 10 seconds every day from not having to skip over stuff they don't like worth the loss of some of those newbies never discovering an artist/tag they would have liked? You could argue that people should be free to make their own mistakes, but it could also be argued that it's the job of people running services to help protect their users from making said mistakes. It's not a clear cut issue.

All that said though: I do think this is probably a feature that should be implemented. From my perspective here the potential downsides I've listed seem pretty weak, so why not? The real issue is probably just the amount of effort that would have to go into a feature that, for the vast majority of users, really isn't that important.

There isn't really any other site to chose for that offers a similar service, and even if that changes in the future is very unlikely that Fakku won't be the biggest. Since artists aren't paid by views there is no point for them to chose anywhere else but here unless they want to self-publish. Even if x% of people hide a certain tag this still will be the largest audience.
The idea of trying to "protect people from themselves" when it comes to whether or not they chose to hide NTR or Western content is absurd and it still is really patronizing. Fakku already protects users by leaving all but the most controversial tags on by default.
Not letting the user hide tags because it's too complex is at least an acceptable reason, not letting the user hide tags because you're trying to protect them from their own decisions reminds me of this C.S. Lewis quote:

I see where you're coming from, and I agree (to an extent). To me it feels more similar to a carpenter not wanting to sell a table to someone who says they're just going to burn it for no reason. You put your heart and soul into making something, so you want people to get the most out of it and not misuse it.

Of course you could turn that around and say that "getting the most out of it" means letting people hide tags. But really, what "getting the most out of it" means is what the creator feels it means. In that regard I have no fucking idea. I'm just thought experimenting.

I'm one of the western artists on the site. I can understand where you are coming from since as a reader I've also experienced the feeling that western manga seems to be always of poor quality, or a weird mix with cartoon network styles. However, isn't it to want to blacklist the entire western tag just descrimination? I think that's what the other people have been trying to say here. It's not like there's a style you get for being born in japan and a different style for being born in another part of the world. Manga just means comic in japan, even though they have their own comic culture and inspire each other, manga there doesn't follow any guidelines at all, you have Very different art styles, even in hentai.
I think letting people blacklist the western tag would just contribute to the continuation of the stigma against non japanese artists and also really unfair, since in reality the western tag just means the artist isn't Japanese. And allowing people blacklisting it means that no matter how good a western artist is, some people won't give him a chance because he isn't Japanese.

Or is there a more specific reason you want to block the western tag? Is there a specific artist? You could always just block that artist instead, that I guess I can understand.

For me its like that:
I don't have anything for western (non-Japanese) artist. Look at pixiv, I found many non Japanese artist and I like their art. One example is "Fuya" or "Okitakun" (sound Japanese, but aren't).

Its not about the where the artist is born or where he/she actually is right now - its the style that I care about. If a Japanese artist would draw western adult/comic I would also probably don't like it because it doesn't fit my taste.

Also since western is already a tag here, so I assume I can filter that out like any other tag.

Its just about sort out what I want to see and what not.
If I gett bored I still can remove those mute function (if ever).

This also works for Japanese artists:
I think there are many people who dislike oppai/large breast and prefer flat chest or the other way around.
Is this still a discrimination for the artist? No. Just your personal taste.

Speaking to myself I would use to the art of the artist.


This thread is too focused about western and non-western.
My original idea is that this fakku.net webpage has a function for their subs, that you can mute stuff you just don't want to see. Thats all.

I don't think if people would ban a certain artist for xyz-reason.
If yes, maybe the artist is wrong and maybe the artist should change. A 100% block won't happen.

But the thing is, the western tag doesn't mean "western style" , it just means the author isn't japanese...an author doesn't choose where he was born but he can choose to draw "oppai"

Than the tag definition is wrong.

Anyway, we need a filter system.

in the search bar you can already filter stuff, you can search for multiple tags with "+" and exclude others with "-" ex: +oppai +vanilla -ntr
it's true it would be better if it had an interface though.

Technically the tag isn't wrong, but maybe it's true there's some confusion with the tag. How would you suggest to tag works by non-japanese artists?

What if there's a tag for authors working directly with Fakku? since that's basically what the western tag means right now. Maybe a tag for original Fakku content?

Nah, this is maybe for the search but not when I'm browing through the magazine section.

I'd decleare western-style. Anything that is not japanese style, often used by western artist. You could name it differently like in a way no one would be offeneded by it.

So when even Japanese artists draw something out of their way (like MLP or what else) you can tag it with that certain "western-style"tag.

I wouldn't say its fakku content since it isn't much?
Sure yes, you can read it here and all but at the first place its xyz-artist content and its not made for fakku exklusive.

Since so far, doujins are for while gone here, we don't need series tag for doujins right now. With that, we can also mute BL/Yayoi later too (in all respect, I have ZERO interets in that).

What I meant with Fakku original content is that it's not something licensed from Wani or other publisher in japan but an original Fakku published series. Since that would cover pretty much all western artists in the future unless some post their work here but are still indie.

Also, MLP is a cartoon so I think it would make more sense to either black list cartoon related stuff. A japanese artists can still draw MLP in typical moe style too though so I don't know how you can blacklist something that would prevent you from ever see MLP ever. Upon checking all MLP seems to be from Doxy, why not blacklist Doxy for example then? or the tag for the series https://www.fakku.net/series/my-little-pony

And then what's japanese art style? how would Fakku decide what's clearly japanese style and what's not? with japanese style you mean the typical moe style? As I said even in japan there are no guidelines for style, there's so much variety...

If doujins are coming back, translated in English and so on, that you can say "Fakku Exclusive in English" thing. For the western artists also something like that, different name?

Anyway, that is not what need to be discussed by now.

MLP is a example. there are far many other stuff that I want mute.

As for the Japanese style: There are no real guidlines, as you already said. But a Manga is still a Manga and not a Manwha, right?
There are some certain aspects that make it the unique Japanese style.
Like the eyes, the fetish in there, the way the panel are (right to left) and many on.

You can choose that for say thats is the Japanese Style, that is Western-Style (Name to be changed), that is Random style (or whatever).


Also because some people are still thinking that tag-ban/muting is a bad idea, here a small list what I throw out at a different site:

female:bestiality, female:guro, male:dog, male:horse, female:netorare
male:yaoi, parody:my little pony friendship is magic, male:crossdressing, male:males only

> Sure, those a bit extreme stuff, but I still want to avoid certain stuff here as well.

It's not really discrimination, it would be if people wanted you off the site because you're not Japanese and thankfully that is not the case at all. As it is some people just want to hide Western artists and some people don't. Me in particular I would want to hide western art because I'm not here for it. I'm here for Japanese manga. I'm not attacking you or any western artists by having my own preferences.

This would also be a feature that wouldn't be on by default so people would have to make a conscious choice to hide western or some artist in particular.
To me this is about customer's ability to use the site in the most convenient way possible to them, this is not an attack on western artists or anything of the sort. I just saw a thread about a feature that would enhance my experience and I saw someone else being dismissive of it and trying to change the topic from "I want to hide things that I don't like" to "I dislike western artists".

All of that being said...

I like this better than hiding all western art. This way people can hide specific artists they don't like rather than all western art at once. No one could really complain about this option unless they think they're entitled to the viewer's attention even if the viewer doesn't really like their style.

P.S. Western does mean western style otherwise ShindoL would have to be tagged western. Western tag just generally apply to western artists because of their art style.
P.P.S. If you take the western thing out of the equation or read the western tag as in western art style, why would anybody oppose banning/hiding tags or artists is beyond me, it doesn't affect you, you won't be forced to hide anything just because other people are allowed to.

We will be implementing a feature to let you "ignore" certain tags/artists/series/etc.

I think that's the issue. People are misunderstanding each other. One group is saying "I don't like western art style" and the other group is hearing "I don't like anything by artists not from Japan". These are two entirely different statements. There's really no argument to be had here.

Also I had no idea ShindoL was from the US. That's pretty cool.

From his Patreon:

Is there any update on tag filtering/blacklisting? I'm sure a lot of people would like to filter NTR and even more so yaoi.

Can we also stop tagging MFF chapters yuri? With the exception of 434's doujinshi, all of the yuri uploaded so far has been MFF or futanari.

please for god sakes let me mute oppai tag ; ;

Since here didn't happen much in the recent months (over a year), also we didn't got any updates about the website at all, I wonder if this will be come any time soon.

I still want to filter the stuff out I don't want to see.

Like futa stuff at the main page.

How dare you. Futa is based