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no, scepter on balanar doesnt do that >>; his vision is wider at night naturally. His vision during the night is a normal hero's vision during the day, and vice versa. Which means he sees better at night, but his eyes suck during the day.

What scepter does is that it allows him to have "flying vision" which means he can see through trees, and its impossible to juke balanar =o

about the earlier list request of heroes who can use aghanim:
Lord of Avernus (additional 2 seconds of Damage absorption)
Bane Elemental (deals more damage)
Holy Knight (cooldown dramatically reduced from 120->30)
Clockwerk Goblin (allows latching onto allies, and cooldown reduced [20 seconds]
Shadow Priest (Added 200 AoE, weave duration increased by 6, which means 2 more ticks of armor reduction and addition)
Sacred Warrior (improved damage and cooldown [50->65% damage, 8 seconds cooldown at level 3]
Invoker (improves cooldown to 2 seconds at level 3, mana cost reduced to 0)
Juggernaut (+2 slashes, -20 seconds cd)
Tormented Soul (higher damage)
Slayer (no change [got nerfed by -100 damage])
Demon Witch (no change)
Moon Rider (cooldown no longer improves, only lucent beam count gets upgraded)
Necrolyte (no change)
Nightstalker (grants unobstructed vision at night [see through trees])
Pandaren Brewmaster (improves power of pandas, adds more duration)
Butcher (deals more damage based on str, absorbs that much damage to heal itself. [additional damage is 0.75 xstr]
Oblivion (cooldown removed, damage reduced [250 at level 3])
Queen of Pain (got a cooldown nerf, now its 110 seconds at all levels)
Shadow Shaman (serpent count nerfed 12->10)
Crystal Maiden (no change)
Spiritbreaker (cooldown dramatically reduced from 75->20)
Sand King (+1 pulse, -20 seconds cd)
Twin Head Dragon (improved spawn time and damage [225 damage at leve 3])
Vengeful Spirit (cooldown 45->10)
Venomancer (no change)
Faceless Void (lasts 1 second longer and cooldown slightly lowered)
Windrunner (does not reduce damage from secondary item effects, cd 60->15)
Witch Doctor (no change)
Lord of Olympia (no change)
Lich (chain frost doesnt improve bounce count, only damage)

ogre magi got removed from aghanim scepter's list

EDIT: to those wondering where i got the list:
http://www.getdota.com/changelogs

learn to read the changelogs you lazy bastards XD

I don't really like PA's new blink strike (because it doesn't do damage), but it is perfectly reasonable I guess. I still managed to rape face with her in a game last night. For anyone who is wondering, her Blink Strike has same cd, does no dmg, but adds 100 atk speed for 3 hits. This allows me to not worry about getting atk spd items so much and focus on damage.

I've also noticed Dark Seer can have multiple ion shells up and Abaddon can have more than one shield up.

I played Syllabear last night as well and dominated. They made him so much easier. His ult was buffed by a good amount and when Rabid is cast it is automatically put on yourself AND your bear. No more alternating between the two! I think the bear can also have items earlier than level 4 now.

I've really been enjoying this new version. 8)

Hey,c'mon .
It's because I'm online from my cellphone,so I can't get the list .
:D

@K3npach1: the ion shell and aphotic shield stack has been there before 6.60 =p

1 thing i have to complain about 6.60 is that i dont like the changes on troll D= he becomes.... useless... his fervor switched with beast master's passive, and thanks to that, he becomes ALOT worse. Unlike beast master, he has no pig to slow the enemy down to hit them, and thanks to his nerf with the ultimate, he no longer has a movement speed buff, and more than half the heroes in the game can outrun him, or have him get stuck in "out of range" animation everytime it tries to attack unless you "walk and hit" which removes the attack speed buff D=

Overall, i think troll became a powerful noob killer, but if your enemy is pro and is aware of the changes to troll and how to exploit it, troll is useless as hell. (not to mention a mere stun can stop his buff on its tracks, so sniper's mini stun barrage would rape troll)

his ulti is now a global ASPD boost, but for 5 seconds?!? i mean, sure, 100% attack speed to your whole team is good, but 5 seconds is so fucking short, the enemy can just move back til your 5 seconds is up, then turn around and fight again. Its only beneficial if you are helping a friend kill a hero (and you arent nearby) so the enemy might not expect a 100% attack speed boost.

I disagree 100% on troll. The only thing he is missing is the improved run speed from his ult. The global attack speed buff is incredibly good especially because it has such a low cooldown. His new BM passive isn't really that great but neither was troll's other aura. It was good but never really that noticeable. All Troll needs is a yasha and phase boots and you don't have to worry about being too slow. BKB if youre going to run in against a stunner, but most of the time it isn't necessary because Troll's rediculously stupid atk speed and bash.

Yeah,I'm still wondering why he could be so bad like that.
:(

on the contrary, fervor was a very necessary boost needed in the early game. 30% attack speed boost is a free power threads Atk Speed boost =o

the movement speed boost is necessary from his ult when using BM's old passive thanks to the fact that almost all heroes can run from him without getting hit (if you use the "walk then hit" technique, you lose your buff, making that passive useless).

having a lowcooldown on his ultimate doesnt stop it from being uselss >>; 5 seconds is far too short to be of any use. while it is under cooldown, or while it is in effect, a simple AoE stun will stop them from doing anything. Also, BKB isnt gonna stop an enemy bash or a sniper's headshot from removing your Atk speed buff.

Thanks to his "new" passive, and his ultimate (which now lasts 8 seconds on himself), his Atk Speed isnt near godly as before, as his Atk Speed is more of a split second burst rather than a constant boost. And he is easily stopped in that split second boost. Making him rely on a bkb makes him a bad hero already, alot of other heroes dont need to rely on a bkb to pull off a combo =o (and almost all heroes that DO rely on a bkb to pull off a combo is capable of destroying an entire team, this guy needs it to kill only ONE hero).

lets not forget that troll naturally has a very high attack cooldown, making his natural attack speed below average as compared to other heroes.

at the very best, troll has now been degraded into a "damage support" character and can no longer carry his team in the late game.

I guess for Troll its bad if "Only He" that use his ultimate.,

Try use that with Alleria and Traxex it would you know what i mean.,

But i think Troll must back to old one coz I can't use Cranium(actually i use Skadi and Cranium and its really work)

And Thanks for correction & Information.,

Does anybody know where's the best place to patch the new Warcraft?

www.battle.net =p its the official site

You can't say Troll's ult is bad. There is no way... Just because it is 5 second duration for team doesn't mean it isn't overpowered. Sure it won't matter if you have a team of mostly int, that's why you pick smart.

Second, you can't make the argument that it sucks because an "aoe stun makes it useless". You can say that for a rediculous amount of ults...just because an aoe stun stops it doesn't mean it is bad. And you don't have to rely on BKB. This is only if the other team hugs asses the whole game and is nothing but disables. If that is the case, it sounds like you won't have much luck no matter who you are playing.

Luna's glaive, Pugna's blast, Techie's mines, DP's ult, DK Dragon, Sylla's bear, etc etc are all things that rape base rax and towers. Add Troll's ult to that list as well. Except it is global. It helps ANYONE on the map. You can't be everywhere on the map. Might as well give your teammates a crazy attack speed boost.

Well w/e. Troll still rapes, just gotta know how to play him. :roll:

also, not alot of ults get stopped by AoE stun or stun for that matter, and as i have stated before:



take for instance, crystal maiden, enigma, witch doctor, etc.

I dont deny that troll's ulti has its uses, but im saying its far too limited as compared to other heroes. Trolls main shine used to be that he is useless early game, but powerful late game, now he is just useless early game, and a decent support mid-late.

=O ive played troll tons of times, and i know the difference and how it affected him overall, i know there will be games wheere his ulti is the detemining factor of the match (all skills have their moments), im just saying overall, he just got badly nerfed.

Well I kinda agree with Onime, don't get me wrong troll is still an able hero but he was powered down severly during the change in 6.60. He is now more dependent on his teammates and has LOST a lot of potential to become a carry hero. And I have to say it really is because of the movespeed being nerffed, he can still slaughter a hero when he's melee but chasing him would be a problem, the old troll can carry the team when he makes a bkb since it gives him a lot of time to kill atleast 2 disable heroes while having a near lycan speed therefore almost ensuring his escape but because he lost the movespeed advantage of his skills he now needs more support from disablers to kill a hero and escape. And the old Troll can rape opponents at level 6 but this new troll needs a lot of items to really become useful as a hitter. He can support but only for 6 seconds. I think the best thing to do is keep supporting other heroes by using his last skill until you can actually make it useful for yourself. All in all troll is still strong but not as strong as he used to be, and has definetly lost his potential to be a carry hero.

I would not go as far as saying he was extremely weakened. Rather I believe the creators just shifted the hero from a loner hero to a team hero. I am however gravely disappointed since I was already fine with the troll before... but on the other side of the equation this is a great change and a major hit to those troll noobs who just depend on it for permanent stun. Now they:ll be forced to rethink their build...

however, team dependancy is a sign of weakness...

even other team oriented heroes can handle alot of things alone: silencer can harrass and even get alot of early kills early game, and hes a "damage support" hero too, and he has Global silence! a team breaker; PotM was built to be support oriented but she can even carry her team; shadow priest is meant to be support too, but with smart use of his abilities, he can run to a group of 3 heroes, kill 1 and run out alive; lets not forget vengeful spirit, in public games shes known as an assassin hero, but in tournaments, shes a deadly support hero, capable of destroying an enemy's carry hero right before the team battle starts, making her a game breaker; etc etc etc

the only way troll can kill someone on his own, is if the enemy was noob and doesnt know when or how to run. (most of the time, they run the moment you switch on your ulti or you blind them). Other times he actually can kill or significantly damage someone is if he has a teammate to help him slow/stun or its a chaotic team battle.

But,I like your opinion about vengeful spirit .
:D

Nah since it was Icefrog decision, we just have to wait and see if he remake it again or not.,

For what i think you two is right, he can't kill but can support to kill.,

Anyway if you all know that Troll become weaker why don't we discuss bout his item to become powerful heroes, and how to use its skill effectively(since we have lot of combination).,

For me its Cuirass, Skadi, Tarasque, Burriza, boots of Travel, the last maybe BKB.,

And bout pudge isn't his 3rd skill become a bit powerful???

no such thing as team battle without team dependence... but i agree that having the need for support to function is a disadvantage. What troll can do to cover this current disadvantage is buy blink dagger i guess. Activate it from somewhere near but unseen then blink and dispatch of the target. This would work great against a clash too. Though after the blink, you would really need to depend on your team mates to help you escape or kill the remaining targets cause otherwise you're a sheep in a slaughter...