Feminists are retards

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No, actually a woman. Some bitch from Bolivia according to google image search.

Yes and I'm saying it's not right. Fighting discrimination with discrimination. Logic!

Oh sweet Christ....
First and foremost, the second statement is an abject falsehood. Not only is the entirety of the Western world cut from a patriarchal mode, but you need a new definition for underclass. Let's try something basic:

You live in a society where there are humans, other cognisant apes, and androids possessing artificial intelligence. This society has expanded the basic rights of life and property to nonhuman entities, and has passed laws making it illegal to discriminate against any class of life-form.
However, the apes on the large live in thickly packed slums. If a human approaches to ask if they will move because of the conditions of their habitat, they get defensive and pledge to die before leaving.
The androids have an unemployment rate 230% larger than the human unemployment rate. A national survey emerges saying that the cost of living for an android is only $1400 a month.

Which of these two minorities is an underclass? What are the possible causes to their predicament? Should the situation they find themselves in be tolerated because one group "wants to stay" and another "doesn't need as much?"

What if I told you that the Apes asked the city for subsidies to develop vertical gardens for more trees? And that the Androids demanded that major employers hire them in proportion to population demographics? Are these requests unreasonable? Why?

What I'm trying to get both of you to do is to see beyond the initial impression of the problems facing people in the US and abroad. The actions of civil rights movements, including feminism, address both the symptom and the problem---rather than covering their heads and waiting for shit to get better.
Without legal protections, my girlfriend and I would not be alive (both mixed). I wouldn't be able to have joined the service---and would never have gone to college. She would not be getting the unemployment cheque after her boss fired her for not acting sweet to him. And the president would be selling your country off to your face rather than in secret.

Shit would be fucked.
As the nature of racism, homophobia, and sexism changes, and discrimination follows, the efforts of people who seek social equality needs to follow suit as well. It's a cold fact.

(That is, until the revolution comes.)

We all know that is usually not the case.

Bated breath, mate. Enlighten me.

No it's not, i don't know what kind of feminist you have been following, but the kind i have either seen, read, or heard fit into that description perfectly.




In all honesty i have no clue what the hell you are talking about.

The reason i brought up the word 'underclass' is because you used it yourself, and i assumed (correct me if i am wrong) you were saying that western feminist were the underclass and i responded to that.




The problem here is that feminist fight over 'problems' that are not real problems at all. Both the symptoms and problems they claim often are both wrong. They use (not 100% feminist does) double standards to prove their points, they ignore any type of argument against them and they victimize those who don't agree with them, like calling you a supporter of rape culture, stop and vandalize other civil rights movements and send threats.

Of coarse those claims are not unique to feminists, but to deny that they don't exist or that they are justified is an abject falsehood.




I can't comment on your personal life.




Women already have (atleast in western countries) social equality and in many areas like i pointed out even more rights than men do.

Someone or somebody should take that bait!

What I was trying to do is soften the blow by using fantastical themes rather than telling the truth. Allow me to rephrase this:
-Latin American and SE Asians, in my city at least, live in tightly packed ghettos. Often 8+ to a multigeneration household, consisting of swaths of trailer parks where they cannot get nutritionally adequate food without personal transportation. Many I have spoken to would reform their neighbourhood rather than leave because it is their home.
-Black people face an unemployment rate that was above 15% last I checked. The last time I held a stable job, the average minimum wage worker made between 1400 and 1600----because they were only allowed 18-25 hours a week. The "flexible scheduling" demands of the job meant firing if any employee took a second job, had a child, or drank to excess and were thus unavailable to work at a moment's notice. (all of these things happened)

I am arguing that the word underclass could be used to describe any group of people who faces chronic disadvantage for reasons outside of their control. Consciously or subconsciously imposed upon them by the dominant group in an area, they are functionally second class citizens, even if they enjoy the same legal protections as others.

Furthermore, this moniker could be applied to women in this society because they face significant opposition to economic advancement, comprehensive healthcare, and legal representation. To be more specific, the raise/promotion rate for equally qualified women is significantly lower, abortion/birth control/gynaecology services are all stigmatized in this country, and sexual assault convictions hinge strongly upon the social status of the perpetrator rather than the evidence provided by prosecution.

Yes, because of certain social dynamics within this society it sounds like white women enjoy more rights than white men. However, even they face professional and personal adversity that pales in comparison to "calling you a supporter of rape culture."

(On other specific examples: I would like to see numbers and representative cases for conviction rates, the draft is bullshit and should be abolished for everybody, and cry more about the kids you planned poorly.)

Pretty sure someone already brought up a major one already, false rape accusations.

They went from denying their existence, claiming they don't happen with enough frequency to be considered something noticing to finally saying that it's wrong to prosecute the crime in fear that it deterrents actual victims from speaking out.(at the expensive of others, but oh well)

Let's not forget the gender wage gap, which many insist is a byproduct of sexism, despite being debunked many times.

They outright state, or believe that domestic violence is a women's issue too, which is disgusting, to say the least.

Don't get me started on the BS that is the subject-object dichotomy.

I actually used the wage gap because I hadn't seen it debunked...

Actually, you have minor points with those two. False rape claims are despicable, but I honestly have no idea how to feasibly confront them. However, I don't see that as a feminist issue. Sounds more like malicious fraud than any kind of equality measure.
Also, do you mean trying to be seen as a person, rather than a sex object? That has always been rather meta for me (I'm a guy, too). I don't feel as though I can competently comment because I have never experienced what they are talking about.

Hmm, Pretty sure using google(or duck duck go) will feature many articles going into depth why the original study was full of it for comparing different jobs and not taking to account many other factors.
It's a feminist issue because it holds feminist/women accountable for a crime, something they argued shouldn't be done.
You didn't even argue or mention the domestic violence one. It's even more unfortunate when you find out that they've actively tried to stop research and aid of male shelters.

I'm not unreasonable enough to say that "FEMINIST ARE ALL EVIL/WRONG" since I too enjoy many legal protections that wouldn't be possible without many different activist groups and individuals but we don't live in a world of absolutes. My original statement was that it's not always true that these groups recognize a problem and it's symptoms, or deal with it the right away.(heck sometimes they're the cause of a new problem) I don't think that sentiment is wrong.