[Locked] Jacob "Jimmy Russling" Grady
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Cinia Pacifica
Ojou-sama Writer
Futabot wrote...
I can't believe I missed a shitstorm of this magnitude.Fuck man, fuck.
I was actually expecting you to post on that shitstorm thread.
'Tis a shame.
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Cinia Pacifica wrote...
Futabot wrote...
I can't believe I missed a shitstorm of this magnitude.Fuck man, fuck.
I was actually expecting you to post on that shitstorm thread.
'Tis a shame.
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Coconutt wrote...
Lughost wrote...
cruz737 wrote...
Aai wrote...
What the fuck is a jacobJewish overlord of our Chinese comic porn.
I heard he once killed a wild bear with only his nose and beard.
Sounds like Jeesus.
No, Jesus was banned. Long ago.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
Futabot wrote...
Cinia Pacifica wrote...
Futabot wrote...
I can't believe I missed a shitstorm of this magnitude.Fuck man, fuck.
I was actually expecting you to post on that shitstorm thread.
'Tis a shame.
You missed out man
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Longevity wrote...
Sneakyone wrote...
>on a hentai website>laughing at people getting angry their hentai is going away
I wonder who is more retarded here.
Laughing at thieves who claim to be sjw when really they are just criminals.
"Oh no I have to support the artists and publishers instead of being a leech!"
This moral high ground is hilarious since this very website profited from pirated material from start FOR YEARS. Newsflash: Non-Wani stuff is still getting pirated here so think twice before you call people thieves, since that would cover the site and its owners as well. What the heck were you doing before this Wani deal anyway? What will you do with non-Wani stuff after this? Won't read?
Seriously, I love how people act all high and mighty here when they have been pirating stuff for years and still doing it, not to mention the site they're defending also does it! The hypocrisy here is off the charts, have some decency to admit you're in it like everyone else. It's not like the police will come out just for you if you admit.
No mangaka went out of business because westerners pirated their stuff, their market was always Japan and their target demographic was the Japanese. It never affected them if you liked their stuff, pirated it or hated it. They couldn't care less as long as their stuff sold there. Same goes for Wani and any other publisher.
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Ultramarinus wrote...
Longevity wrote...
Sneakyone wrote...
>on a hentai website>laughing at people getting angry their hentai is going away
I wonder who is more retarded here.
Laughing at thieves who claim to be sjw when really they are just criminals.
"Oh no I have to support the artists and publishers instead of being a leech!"
This moral high ground is hilarious since this very website profited from pirated material from start FOR YEARS. Newsflash: Non-Wani stuff is still getting pirated here so think twice before you call people thieves, since that would cover the site and its owners as well. What the heck were you doing before this Wani deal anyway? What will you do with non-Wani stuff after this? Won't read?
Seriously, I love how people act all high and mighty here when they have been pirating stuff for years and still doing it, not to mention the site they're defending also does it! The hypocrisy here is off the charts, have some decency to admit you're in it like everyone else. It's not like the police will come out just for you if you admit.
No mangaka went out of business because westerners pirated their stuff, their market was always Japan and their target demographic was the Japanese. It never affected them if you liked their stuff, pirated it or hated it. They couldn't care less as long as their stuff sold there. Same goes for Wani and any other publisher.
I can be high and mighty since I have never and will never download anything off of any hentai site.
Sure I've read stuff online but that isn't against the law it's the providers breaking the law. If more non-wani stuff goes I'll be happy because more people like you will come out of the woodwork and I'll relish in your misery. Also your saying I'm defending Fakku I am only in defense of their deal that seems to be enraging people. If all the content on Fakku became pay to read I'd be fine with it. Fakku is first and foremost a company, second it's a community, third it's a place for people to get hentai materials.
So because the mangaka aren't going out business people should keep pirating? I hope you start a business and people use your services and don't pay, I mean as long as you keep making your minimal profit margins you won't complain.
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Longevity wrote...
I can be high and mighty since I have never and will never download anything off of any hentai site.Sure I've read stuff online but that isn't against the law it's the providers breaking the law. If more non-wani stuff goes I'll be happy because more people like you will come out of the woodwork and I'll relish in your misery. Also your saying I'm defending Fakku I am only in defense of their deal that seems to be enraging people. If all the content on Fakku became pay to read I'd be fine with it. Fakku is first and foremost a company, second it's a community, third it's a place for people to get hentai materials.
So because the mangaka aren't going out business people should keep pirating? I hope you start a business and people use your services and don't pay, I mean as long as you keep making your minimal profit margins you won't complain.
Do you really believe you can shift the blame when you're accessing free stuff that's pirated? How does that even work? Try going to the mirror and repeat that, see if you can say it with a straight face. You accessed and made use of stuff for free without permission of its creators. There's no bending the truth there.
Let's fix what you wrote:
1- Fakku is a site that's built over pirating
2- Fakku is still pirating
3- Fakku however hunts down pirates for the stuff they hold copyright of
Now, if Fakku was a legit business venture that started up with this Wani deal and didn't pirate and keep pirating stuff, I wouldn't have a word to say here. After all, it'd be a sincere business effort that depends on this. But it's not. Fakku is still pirating and profiting off it, not to mention this Wani deal and following takedowns effectively means a "come and make a deal with us or you'll continue to get pirated" to Wani's rival companies. That's pretty low, so the deal as it is undefendable morally. Every day Fakku continues to pirate non-Wani your argument is pure hypocrisy and double standard.
Do you even know the difference between copying a digital product and stealing a manufactured product or receiving a service without paying it? Think about the differences between those. Fact is that mangakas never relied on Westerners money, neither did Japanese publishing companies. When you read their stuff online, it didn't cost them any money. If you somehow believe otherwise, you should contact them and donate them the cost of what you read, or else you're as much a thief as you call others to be.
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Futabot wrote...
Cinia Pacifica wrote...
Futabot wrote...
I can't believe I missed a shitstorm of this magnitude.Fuck man, fuck.
I was actually expecting you to post on that shitstorm thread.
'Tis a shame.
Stop it! It only makes me wish more you were there. QQ
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Ultramarinus wrote...
Longevity wrote...
I can be high and mighty since I have never and will never download anything off of any hentai site.Sure I've read stuff online but that isn't against the law it's the providers breaking the law. If more non-wani stuff goes I'll be happy because more people like you will come out of the woodwork and I'll relish in your misery. Also your saying I'm defending Fakku I am only in defense of their deal that seems to be enraging people. If all the content on Fakku became pay to read I'd be fine with it. Fakku is first and foremost a company, second it's a community, third it's a place for people to get hentai materials.
So because the mangaka aren't going out business people should keep pirating? I hope you start a business and people use your services and don't pay, I mean as long as you keep making your minimal profit margins you won't complain.
Do you really believe you can shift the blame when you're accessing free stuff that's pirated? How does that even work? Try going to the mirror and repeat that, see if you can say it with a straight face. You accessed and made use of stuff for free without permission of its creators. There's no bending the truth there.
Let's fix what you wrote:
1- Fakku is a site that's built over pirating
2- Fakku is still pirating
3- Fakku however hunts down pirates for the stuff they hold copyright of
Now, if Fakku was a legit business venture that started up with this Wani deal and didn't pirate and keep pirating stuff, I wouldn't have a word to say here. After all, it'd be a sincere business effort that depends on this. But it's not. Fakku is still pirating and profiting off it, not to mention this Wani deal and following takedowns effectively means a "come and make a deal with us or you'll continue to get pirated" to Wani's rival companies. That's pretty low, so the deal as it is undefendable morally. Every day Fakku continues to pirate non-Wani your argument is pure hypocrisy and double standard.
Do you even know the difference between copying a digital product and stealing a manufactured product or receiving a service without paying it? Think about the differences between those. Fact is that mangakas never relied on Westerners money, neither did Japanese publishing companies. When you read their stuff online, it didn't cost them any money. If you somehow believe otherwise, you should contact them and donate them the cost of what you read, or else you're as much a thief as you call others to be.
It isn't a matter of reliance it's a matter of not paying for services rendered. I want all the publishers and mangaka to come at Fakku and Ex and Gel and all other sites, because people have become so entitled that they think this shit is free and they need not ever pay or support them (even myself in the begining).
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Then you're defending the wrong site for that goal as Fakku is built upon that notion and still sustains from it. This claim of repentance sounds hollow when this very site continues to draw traffic by pirating stuff that mangakas draw and volunteers scanlate. If there was any moral ground to be had, that would be by removing all pirated content as soon as this news was made public.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
Ultramarinus wrote...
Longevity wrote...
I can be high and mighty since I have never and will never download anything off of any hentai site.Sure I've read stuff online but that isn't against the law it's the providers breaking the law. If more non-wani stuff goes I'll be happy because more people like you will come out of the woodwork and I'll relish in your misery. Also your saying I'm defending Fakku I am only in defense of their deal that seems to be enraging people. If all the content on Fakku became pay to read I'd be fine with it. Fakku is first and foremost a company, second it's a community, third it's a place for people to get hentai materials.
So because the mangaka aren't going out business people should keep pirating? I hope you start a business and people use your services and don't pay, I mean as long as you keep making your minimal profit margins you won't complain.
Do you really believe you can shift the blame when you're accessing free stuff that's pirated? How does that even work? Try going to the mirror and repeat that, see if you can say it with a straight face. You accessed and made use of stuff for free without permission of its creators. There's no bending the truth there.
Let's fix what you wrote:
1- Fakku is a site that's built over pirating
2- Fakku is still pirating
3- Fakku however hunts down pirates for the stuff they hold copyright of
Now, if Fakku was a legit business venture that started up with this Wani deal and didn't pirate and keep pirating stuff, I wouldn't have a word to say here. After all, it'd be a sincere business effort that depends on this. But it's not. Fakku is still pirating and profiting off it, not to mention this Wani deal and following takedowns effectively means a "come and make a deal with us or you'll continue to get pirated" to Wani's rival companies. That's pretty low, so the deal as it is undefendable morally. Every day Fakku continues to pirate non-Wani your argument is pure hypocrisy and double standard.
Do you even know the difference between copying a digital product and stealing a manufactured product or receiving a service without paying it? Think about the differences between those. Fact is that mangakas never relied on Westerners money, neither did Japanese publishing companies. When you read their stuff online, it didn't cost them any money. If you somehow believe otherwise, you should contact them and donate them the cost of what you read, or else you're as much a thief as you call others to be.
So, because you seem to know everything about this site:
1. How is this site profiting off pirated goods
2. Where and when did fakku 'hunt down pirates for the stuff they own copywrite of' and if they own the copywrite, doesn't that imply they aren't pirates?
3. Are you actually aware how businesses work?
4. How is fakku not a legit business, when it sells legit manga and items to fund the site, as well as getting funding from ads.
5. Explain how it is 'effectively saying come make a deal or we'll keep pirating' when wani ordered the takedowns of pirated material, and jacob made the deal to keep it afloat outside of japan legitimately through means of getting the manga from them, officially translated with money going to them.
Answer those for me and we'll see how much you know
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Drifter995 wrote...
So, because you seem to know everything about this site:1. How is this site profiting off pirated goods
2. Where and when did fakku 'hunt down pirates for the stuff they own copywrite of' and if they own the copywrite, doesn't that imply they aren't pirates?
3. Are you actually aware how businesses work?
4. How is fakku not a legit business, when it sells legit manga and items to fund the site, as well as getting funding from ads.
5. Explain how it is 'effectively saying come make a deal or we'll keep pirating' when wani ordered the takedowns of pirated material, and jacob made the deal to keep it afloat outside of japan legitimately through means of getting the manga from them, officially translated with money going to them.
Answer those for me and we'll see how much you know
1- Pirated works are the main content and traffic generator, tell me if it isn't and what is.
2- Jacob contacted tenboro to remove the content affiliated with Fakku Books. However Fakku still pirates non-Wani stuff and moreover, the doujins of mangakas represented by Wani. That means those artists get JACK SHIT for all their convention work.
3- I am. Hence I can realize that Fakku is trying to cover all bases while feigning innocence, talking about supporting mangakas while pirating works non-covered by the deal.
4- It was created to pirate hentai, kept doing that and is still doing it. It's not even secretive about it, go check the main page of the site.
5- Because that's how it works. Wani will profit and so will Jacob, with all those mangakas not getting a dime for their works if it wasn't published by Wani. Rivals of Wani will have to make others deals with Jacob eventually so that they won't be the only ones left getting nothing.
Satisfied?
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
Ultramarinus wrote...
1- Pirated works are the main content and traffic generator, tell me if it isn't and what is.And do explain how he is making a profit off that? Off people visiting a site?
Ultramarinus wrote...
2- Jacob contacted tenboro to remove the content affiliated with Fakku Books. However Fakku still pirates non-Wani stuff and moreover, the doujins of mangakas represented by Wani. That means those artists get JACK SHIT for all their convention work.But it doesn't pirate anything wani related now. Nobody does. They've all been removed it from what I've seen.
Convention work? You mean the work where they sit at conventions and sell shit there, making a profit for themselves? Or something else?
Also, jacob didn't contact them to remove anything affiliated with fakku books, wani already did that to everyone. Jacob asked them to not host anything from the fakku books.
Ultramarinus wrote...
3- I am. Hence I can realize that Fakku is trying to cover all bases while feigning innocence, talking about supporting mangakas while pirating works non-covered by the deal.It has never claimed innocence. It is well aware of what it is for. It has a store to get profit, for which is used to pay for majority of things, including server hire.
Ultramarinus wrote...
4- It was created to pirate hentai, kept doing that and is still doing it. It's not even secretive about it, go check the main page of the site.And this means it's legit sales side is not legit? I'm well aware of what the site does. Tell me, how does this make it not a legit business. As I said, it sells legit manga and shirts, to make a profit. That, is a business.
Ultramarinus wrote...
5- Because that's how it works. Wani will profit and so will Jacob, with all those mangakas not getting a dime for their works if it wasn't published by Wani. Rivals of Wani will have to make others deals with Jacob eventually so that they won't be the only ones left getting nothing.Satisfied?
So, you're telling me, a publishing company ISN'T paying it's staff? I think you're wrong.
I assume the reason wani asked for things to be pulled was a lack of business, etc. And with this, jacob is giving them money for their work, which an amount will go to their artists/ mangaka. They are probably also looking to widen their range of buyers to interstate/ overseas to the western market for more profit again, and to have more funds to pay their artists more, to release more, etc etc. as was said earlier.
Many already have deals with other places. J-list sells a whole bunch of hentai. If they were to make a deal with a rather large hentai website, they would probably grow as well. It's not at all throwing a brick through their window with a note saying 'Make a deal with us, or we'll keep stealing your shit' It's a company saying 'No, we want you to remove all of our illegally uploaded products from your site, or we'll take action' followed by some talking it out, for them to release it in english (and uncensored) to the western market, so the wani based stuff is still available, and hasn't been kept to strictly japanese people in jap mags or whatever.
It was in no way jacob making the initaition for them to ask everyone to remove shit, so he could make a profit.
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Cinia Pacifica
Ojou-sama Writer
Drifter995 wrote...
Ultramarinus wrote...
1- Pirated works are the main content and traffic generator, tell me if it isn't and what is.And do explain how he is making a profit off that? Off people visiting a site?
I believe he's referring to the ad money Jacob apparently makes from the users who views them.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
Cinia Pacifica wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
Ultramarinus wrote...
1- Pirated works are the main content and traffic generator, tell me if it isn't and what is.And do explain how he is making a profit off that? Off people visiting a site?
I believe he's referring to the ad money Jacob apparently makes from the users who views them.
I know, hah.
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Cinia Pacifica
Ojou-sama Writer
Drifter995 wrote...
Cinia Pacifica wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
Ultramarinus wrote...
1- Pirated works are the main content and traffic generator, tell me if it isn't and what is.And do explain how he is making a profit off that? Off people visiting a site?
I believe he's referring to the ad money Jacob apparently makes from the users who views them.
I know, hah.
We all did.
Your avi turned more l00d now.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
Cinia Pacifica wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
Cinia Pacifica wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
Ultramarinus wrote...
1- Pirated works are the main content and traffic generator, tell me if it isn't and what is.And do explain how he is making a profit off that? Off people visiting a site?
I believe he's referring to the ad money Jacob apparently makes from the users who views them.
I know, hah.
We all did.
Your avi turned more l00d now.
Avi is always l00d
Was going to go for something with a death stare and boobies in it, but this works too
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Lughost
the Lugoat
Drifter995 wrote...
Cinia Pacifica wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
Cinia Pacifica wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
Ultramarinus wrote...
1- Pirated works are the main content and traffic generator, tell me if it isn't and what is.And do explain how he is making a profit off that? Off people visiting a site?
I believe he's referring to the ad money Jacob apparently makes from the users who views them.
I know, hah.
We all did.
Your avi turned more l00d now.
Avi is always l00d
Was going to go for something with a death stare and boobies in it, but this works too
Is that from that one Pinvise book?
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
Lughost wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
Cinia Pacifica wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
Cinia Pacifica wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
Ultramarinus wrote...
1- Pirated works are the main content and traffic generator, tell me if it isn't and what is.And do explain how he is making a profit off that? Off people visiting a site?
I believe he's referring to the ad money Jacob apparently makes from the users who views them.
I know, hah.
We all did.
Your avi turned more l00d now.
Avi is always l00d
Was going to go for something with a death stare and boobies in it, but this works too
Is that from that one Pinvise book?
Not actually sure
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@longevity
"I can be high and mighty since I have never and will never download anything off of any hentai site." "It isn't a matter of reliance it's a matter of not paying for services rendered."
I'm not sure if I'm quoting out of context, if I am please correct me. You seem to be contradicting your own fundamentals. The services rendered for most manga/doujinshi is actually a one time read or a few times read. If it weren't, then the Japanese Government wouldn't be initiating this plan to get all forms of anime/manga off of the web(English part of it mostly) (true story, go search I forgot the link, would be great if someone knowledgeable would provide them)
@drifter1995
"How is fakku not a legit business, when it sells legit manga and items to fund the site, as well as getting funding from ads."
Doing legit business and being one is two different things.
If I sell illegal drugs and sell a single kind of T-shirt which has a picture of weed, and I gain most of my profit from the illegal drugs, would it be a legit business in your eyes?
If the pirate bay started selling T-shirts, would it suddenly turn into a legit business?
They will not. From my understanding of the English language, legit business means a business means a business that is in it's total legal, or at least most of it is.
"I can be high and mighty since I have never and will never download anything off of any hentai site." "It isn't a matter of reliance it's a matter of not paying for services rendered."
I'm not sure if I'm quoting out of context, if I am please correct me. You seem to be contradicting your own fundamentals. The services rendered for most manga/doujinshi is actually a one time read or a few times read. If it weren't, then the Japanese Government wouldn't be initiating this plan to get all forms of anime/manga off of the web(English part of it mostly) (true story, go search I forgot the link, would be great if someone knowledgeable would provide them)
@drifter1995
"How is fakku not a legit business, when it sells legit manga and items to fund the site, as well as getting funding from ads."
Doing legit business and being one is two different things.
If I sell illegal drugs and sell a single kind of T-shirt which has a picture of weed, and I gain most of my profit from the illegal drugs, would it be a legit business in your eyes?
If the pirate bay started selling T-shirts, would it suddenly turn into a legit business?
They will not. From my understanding of the English language, legit business means a business means a business that is in it's total legal, or at least most of it is.