[Locked] Grow up.

What you said was not an obvious troll; it was two people disagreeing. An obvious troll is entering 30 different threads and spamming the word "nigger".

Ofcourse but there hasnt been any true trolling on these forums in a long time. It seems that everyone has a different definition of trolling.

Face it, the only way to stop this kind of drama to repeat is for one party to leave or just ignore it completely and so far, ignoring is not an option for some people

Or having a mod/admin give them a warning to STFU in PMs?

There are other options we just need to work together.

Any cooperation visible as of now?

stop making sense and stuff.

People are just going about things the wrong way. I have a few ideas myself but Im waiting a bit to see how a few things play out.

And i doubt it'll change, it's been that way from sometime ago

There's always a hope as long as we all have the same goal.

New member? See "gambler's appeal" thread, it's been discussed there.

Nope been lurking since "The golden days" Also been on IRC for sometime and part of the subbing team.

Sorry about that then > <

But join date is no more visible and all about your post regarding let's be better are all included on that appeal

Alot of people are here lurked for awhile before posting.

Anyway staying on topic, Im thinking of a few ideas on what the forums can do but it seems there are people with a few other ideas currently which I would like to see how they turn out. I think we just need to be more understanding and don't participate in threads you dont like instead of posting and complaining about it.

Jacob, I highly respect you, and you created an amazing corner of the internet and community in Fakku.

However, if you agree with Rasmus, you have more power than anyone to actually make something happen. I think we have seen that change is not going to come from the bottom up just because of stickied appeal threads. What number is this in the count?

Enforce the existing rules reliably and without bias. Is lollollol12 going to be allowed to always post in ALL CAPS and pretend to be racist for shits and giggles because he has established himself and a lot of people think he is funny while others will be censured for the same behavior? Either it is acceptable or it isn't. There should not be selective enforcement. This goes for all the behaviors that members of Fakku have been troubled by and debated the acceptability of.

Jacob, Fakku is your creation and your vision, and ultimately, you can decide what kind of forums you want these to be. If you want Fakku to be a place where no one is censored, fine, it's a noble goal. But then we have to accept that people are going to take advantage and abuse that fact. They will flame, troll, post obnoxious rants, and do whatever else. The price of complete freedom of expression is that everyone else can also say whatever they want, even if that turns out to be calling your mother a whore and your culture and ways a blight upon the earth.

Above all, Jacob, I would love to hear you clarify your vision for the forums. Make a statement. Tell us your vision and what you are going to do or not do to bring it to life. Then, follow through. No matter what is done, the end result will always see some members lost. Some people would probably leave if more moderation forced them to stop their antics. Others will probably leave if things continue the way they are because they don't enjoy being insulted or reading about constant forum "drama." Still, I think the clarity would be good for the health of the forums overall.

Most of the stuff you said was correct, but seriously, you didn't foresee the drama llama herd crashin' this thread?

If people are going to leave just because there's a bit more strict moderation, then they're people I don't want here in the first place. I want the people that are gonna stick around because there are other damn decent people here (like them) that don't want to see the forums turn into a big pile of crap, just because there aren't any harsh rules/punishment. I'm all for adhering to it, but first these systems need to be put into place so they can be enforced.

I agree completely. If some people can't deal with moderation that requires them to act like reasonable people, I don't really think that losing them is a big loss. I was trying to note the reality of the situation with respect to the fact that I honestly don't know what the administration's visions and goals are for the forum.

Being antagonizing and condescending did not get what you were looking for? Surprise, surprise.