The Ultimate Mecha...

Master Asia isn't horrible, but he isn't very good for a guy with a name who is plot-central, then again some villains just aren't that good. I still doubt he would beat Heero in a Leo.

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why are you so intent on heero beating Master Asia in a Leo? i mean all Leo could do is just gash the Master Gundam with its gun and sure i bet he can make Master Asia go away becoz of his skills with the beam saber but dont you just want to see heero beat the living hell out of Maste Gundam without even moving from a spot and to do that you need the Wing's Buster Rifle or Wing Zero's Twin Buster Rifle(i suggest the twin buster rifle for total obliteration)

*sigh* The Leo's abilities are just not remotely on par with Wing Zero's. Even with good piloting, it can only do so much. It's simply impossible for a Leo to take out Master Gundam. I mean, Master Gundam is a low-class SR with RR mobility. The only RRs capable of taking out SRs are high-class RRs. The Leo isn't even remotely a high-class RR.

I think I'm incredibly biased against G Gundam, and I've always wanted to shoot the G Gundam characters in their collective faces to remind them why people don't use martial arts in war, especially when using machines designed specifically for war, like a gundam.

yeah, no matter how fast, well aimed, and heavy a gundam kick is, it has jack on a tactical nuke which might i add are no doubt plenty of times cheaper to build than fixing the gundam's leg and thousands of times easier to use

The thing is, nukes are rarely used in the Gundam series, save for Seed and GSD, to the point where you can put the number of times on your fingers. There was definitely a nuking somewhere in the One Year War, along with the infamous GP-02A nuking during the EFSF's naval review. After that, nukes were used to try to stop Axis from falling onto Earth, though it failed. Then, in Seed, nukes were usable when EA got a hold of the N Jammer Canceller at the end of the first war, then the beginning of GSD, though the Neutron Stampeder made short work of them. To finish it off, there was the nuclear detonation during ∀ Gundam. I wouldn't count the disposal of the nukes kept in ∀ Gundam's chest, though you might. In any case, it's rare for any series in Gundam to go nuke crazy, with the exception of Seed and GSD.

Either way, the reason for the Mobile Fighters was because the rules of combat changes. Instead of having many people lose their lives at once, they decided to just have a powerful representative for each country and have them duke it out one-on-one. That way, less lives, if any, are lost. They turned war into a competition, though it failed in a sense, since Ulube was all power hungry. On the other hand, it united countries towards the end of the series.

Despite fitting a different kind of war, the fact that the MTS is able to channel martial artist's techniques effectively makes them among the strongest Gundams, since they are actually lower tier SRs. In a sense, they are SRs with the speed and mobility of mid to high tier RRs. Even on a traditional battlefield, they would still work wonders. Even if they are made for a different kind of war, they are still powerful enough to take out many grunts at the same time.

I was thinking it was more along the lines of Martial arts does not, by any means, make you or your mech bullet proof, especially not against the slugs fired by other mechs, you can't just wake up one day and realize you are "The One" and stop bullets with telekinetic force walls, while you are a normal dude driving a piece of crap, your mech can put itself back together and turn it's hand into a plasma weapon, and it will still be considered a piece of crap because it doesn't have a mechanism to get itself into point blank range fast enough to avoid having it's matches blown off.

Actually, Mobile Fighters don't have much of a problem getting close enough to take out grunts. They don't really need to stop bullets, since they're fast enough to get in close. Don't forget, they were able to take out the Death Army and any fight involving the Death Army was more of traditional warfare. Either way, some Mobile Fighters have something for longer range. For example, Gundam Maxter actually has two handguns, while Rose Gundam has the Rose Bits. Dragon Gundam's Beam Flags are meant to be thrown, while Bolt Gundam already has some range with the ball and chain.As for God Gundam, he can fire a basic Tenkyoken or using God Finger as a blast instead of merely a close-range attack. That's how he took out Gundam Heaven's Sword in the first battle.

Those are almost all really really short range weapons, the longest ranged weapon would be probably the god finger. The death army was a bunch of mook grade mechs which A) weren't geared to fight gundams B) weren't piloted by something with any real combat ability, they missed a gundam at point blank range! Who does that!? Even in Wing Gundam the Gundam pilots got hit if they weren't careful, or if they were outnumbered by too much. The gundams in G gundam were woefully outnumbered, even by gundam standards, and almost never got hit.

it shows that in G Gundam the suits are somehow over powered, and arent the Rose Bits considered long ranged weapons? in terms the G Gundams sucks at portraying real tactical warfare but it shows good old martial arts combined with gundams.

Those rose bits were dirt short ranged compared to a real gun, and let's be honest, there as a French guy driving that mech, he is destined to lose any type of real war-style battle he is involved in.

Dirt short range? I wouldn't say so. They're not long-range sniping weapons, but they have good range for guns and act just like any other type of bit from UC, except that he has a close-range attack for them. That does not mean that the weapon itself has dirt short range. Also, just because he's French, you say he's destined to lose? That's stereotyping and throughout the series, he didn't retreat from a fight. He was the honorable type of person, not the cowardly type. His fighting style even reflected that.

In any case, the main Mobile Fighters would actually be able to participate in a war and win. They have both strong armor and good land speed, which also means amazing mobility. If the EFF had these Mobile Fighters in a war, they would dominate any ground-based battlefield. Remember, Mobile Fighters are essentially low-class SRs and SRs usually have an advantage over RRs in terms of pwoer. The problem is when you're dealing with atmospheric combat and space combat, which is when you choose the traditional style of Gundams. The only exceptions to space combat seems to be God Gundam due to its verniers and with assistance from Fuuhn Saiki.

By the way, any one familiar with the lastest Gundam game in the vs series? It is literally called Gundam vs Gundam and has about two main Gundams/Mobile Suits from all the animated series. The last boss on the routes seems to be...

I was kind of joking about the whole french thing (only kind of because they do have that whole record of not being able to win any war except one with themselves or with a great deal of outside help), but as for the range, it becomes a problem when you find yourself out ranged by any long barreled or possibly extended ranged weapon, by another unit which is employing hit and run tactics. I would like to point out that the only reason the mobile fighters won was because their opponents weren't trying very hard to win, I saw absolutely no attempt to use clever tactics or maneuvering in the death army.

Not even close. Anything around CCA-era of UC or later can kick Strike Freedom's ass. Nu Gundam and especially Hi-Nu Gundam would have no problem taking out Kira's DRAGOON units, especially when they're tethered. The Nu Gundam's Fin Funnels would be able to defend against the Strike Freedom's onslaught of beams and slugs, while shooting Kira from all directions. If you go into Crossbone-era, the Crossbone Gundam-X1 alone is enough, but the Crossbone Gundam X-1 Full Cloth would utterly crush Strike freedom. It sports an I-Field, the Muramasa Blaster, Peacock Smasher, just to name a few. If you get into V-era, it's utterly screwed by the Gundam with the original Wings of Light, the V2 Gundam.

This isn't even stepping into the realm of SRs, where pretty much any SR could screw over the Strike Freedom, especially the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

The thing is, G Gundam doesn't need things like tactics. They have COURAGE.

G Gundam is not RR. It's SR prentending that it is RR, with a little shounen thrown in for good measure. I mean, the last attack in the series is literally love-powered. It doesn't matter if the opponents are "good pilots" with "skill". That means jack shit when you're going up against protaganists that can power their suits with raw courage. Unlike RR, the G Gundam units do not run on the pseudo-science that RR do, and are therefore not bound by their rules. If they want to dodge an attack, they can create a completely bullshit way of doing it, and you'd just have to smile and nod.

tl;dr version: it's not RR, you're allowed to handwave it.

Also, I'm surprised no one mentioned Genesic GaoGaiGar, since the G-Stone's potential power is limitless.

Right...courage...you mean that thing that every pilot needs? Well except the ones who simply can't understand fear. Some SRs lose to RRs, for example Big O is a SR, according to SRW, and it can't compete with many of the higher end RRs, by virtue of the fact that it isn't fast or agile enough to target some RRs, most notably Valkyries and some Gundam units, but the RRs actually have enough firepower to kill a SR, especially the ones previously noted. While SR pilots can use emotions to fuel their attacks a RR pilot can rely on the fact that there is usually more than one of them wandering into any given fight, god forbid the RR pilot has a name, then the SR pilot is in big trouble, depending on the units involved.

Well, the Big O is...hmmm...I'd say a D class SR. It's got problems against flying enemies and it is quite slow. Also, it's armor isn't as good as other SRs. Still, it's got incredible firepower, especially in the second season. Still, there are stronger SRs in existence, so that is why I'd say D class. God Gundam is technically a C class SR, since it's got power and speed, though its attacks are not limited by the hardware and thus, an SR.

RRs are quite strong and their main selling point is their speed and mobility. S class RRs include the likes of Naked Jehuty and Aumaan Anubis, since they walk the fine line between RR and SR. The same especially applies to Dis Astranagant, which is probably one of the strongest RRs in existence because it can wipe anyone's existence. Oddly enough, Granzon is considered an RR. Also, I'd like to throw in the Raftclanz as a particularly strong RR, which has both high armor and ridiculous firepower, at least according to SRW.

Funny you're bringing up SRW to prove your point, since in SRW MX, God Gundam is ungodly (lol, irony) powerful in both attack power and dodge rate (not to mention the best movement rate thx to Fuunsaiki), making it easily one of the best units in the game.

Also, in G Gundam, they DID try to use conventional mobile suits and tactics, and failed miserably. Even though they had a couple hundred Busshi units (roughly on par with a Zaku II stats-wise) with high-power beam rifles, as well as the mobile armor Fantoma (piloted by the Big Bad of the series), they were still swatted down like flies by Devil Gundam's birth stage.

Though really, I don't know why you'd use in a war zone machines that were built for single-combat duels. They're more of an extension of the pilot than an actual Gundam.

I agree that G Gundam units are beatable by RRs, but it doesn't change the fact that your dislike for the series is greatly affecting your opinion on the suit's capabilities and skewing it to be as negative as possible. I will say this: Heero in a Leo could NEVER beat a G Gundam unit, because their armor is too thick to be penetrated by that level of attack.



Yeah, they could never win. I mean, Napoleon only kicked ass across...what, the majority of Europe?

Now Italy, THEY suck at war (and this is coming from an Italian). You want an easy victory with little effort needed to win? Declare war on Italy.

What? You've never heard the saying that the French have never won a war when lead by a Frenchman? When one of your leader isn't from your country, it doesn't really count as a win for you as much as it does a win for them, I would totally agree that Lafayette should take the fame for the American revolution, except George Washington won more important and over all, probably, more battles.