To love and protect.

yeah, of course. but you can't have everything, and that's why things are complicated. i ask you, do you rather protect your loved one and losing your life in the process, or endure their death and start anew, with all the chance life will provide you?

and, about the love as appreciate as being thing. sure, it's sweet, and real too. but life's not that simple. lies exist. so how can you be sure who's actually worth protecting? and are you sure their life weighs more that your life, which is all you have? we're not talking about there's love, OR no love. there are lots more to consider here.

i'm not saying that such feelings are lies or something, it's just that don't make it sound like a either-or situation. we rarely get to make choices that simple.

I'm actually quite a negative person I do understand that people can be lying their whole lives n' such... and it may not be worth giving up your safety (or even life) for their well being - I know this all too well.

I don't even believe in love as in the ROMANTIC true love kinda malarkey, I think that's a pipe dream people indulge in when infactuated (even for long term) with another person, nothing more. I also don't think there's any mystical about friendships...

THe reason I think it's worth dying for the people closest to me though, is that there's not much more to life. I don't want to just SURVIVE through life being suspicious of everyone and not trusting the ones I love - there's nothing to live for or protect. There's no point in SURVIVING to continue surviving, there has to be something more or is all a waste of energy. Keeping yourself all safe and alive is not worth the mind-set of never truly caring for anyone around you.

And besides - I don't really mind the idea of dying, espcially if the result helped a loved one's safety.

i'm not saying that we should survive just for the sake of surviving. what i'm trying to say is, if we swallow this one sad event and live on, we could have so many chances and heck, we might even have a new encounter, a new love, and new happiness. so, considering that, is it actually worth it to let go all those possibilities just for the sake of one life? sure, bad things may happen too, but it is our future at stake here? yeah, lives are equal, but our life is about all we have. so, to simply say it's worth it to sacrifice yourself to protect the loved ones seemed to me...like not thinking it through. it sounds like that said just out of yourself being emotional, and infatuated by your present love.

Good points, I can see that you think jumping in to save people is usually made as a quick decision and not very smart. That is true... but it's also true for a LOT of things, heh. : P


My main thing I just don't like about your idea though is that things MIGHT happen in the future and MIGHT get better. I've given up on CHANCE and all I know to be true is NOW, the present... nothing else. Saying that if you live on you may find really good happiness is completely in a fair chance with saying you could live on, realise you made a mistake and then live in misery. I THINK your main idea though is a cautious way of living and not ending things early to lower your chances to finding happiness/love - which is fair, but still goes back to my point about possibly finding true misery.




I can see where an assumption like that would arise (justifiable) - but that's completely wrong about me, lol (you are talking about me now, right? or still in general to people?). I find myself unable to love a lot of people as much as I used to - am currently in no relationship - and like I said, am very negative and often think its not worth sticking your neck out for other people... people are not that great.

Ironic that I should be the one on the discussion side of valuing and protecting life in front of your own. XD

Side Note: First few posts in this forum are receiving edgy discussion replies... hope I don't seem like some argumentative arsehole here to raid the forum >.< I want nothing of the sort : P

or do I?

*shifty eyes*

hmm...i see your point. but it's not that i'm clinging to this chance thing. of course, it is as reasonable to suppose bad things than to suppose good things for the future. but still, by sacrificing ourselves, we're putting an end to every single chance we might have. be it good or bad, it all disappear once you die. no more self improving, no more crying, and no more smiling. i dunno what it's like for everyone, but at least to me ending it all is a very big deal indeed.

and this is of course, not targeted specifically to anyone. but to especially think about you, xtylish, you said you're a negative person. from experience, i think you're even more vulnerable to infatuation. you said you've given up on chance, but believe me, no one can ever abandon all hope. once you think you've found the "right" one, try to compare the you at that time with the current you. you'll see just how much you've changed.

and i said from experience because i've lived that way. i used to be unable to trust anyone, i thought such feelings are lies, and words of love are said just to make yourself look good. and then i found the "right" girl, yeah, the experience was sweet and beautiful. i really love her, and i believe she loved me. then something happened, that ended with me being the one who was protected. considering how she used to be and how much she changed during our time together, i just cant understand why she did that. until now, i'm still seeking for the answer....


looks up...whoa long post....! 8) 8)

Not in my books :P

Sorry to hear something bad happened with your partner, though. I'm generally finished now... but really, try and understand... I'm not vunerable to FALL IN LOVE with anyone right now. In fact, I probably couldn't even get myself to like someone if I tried.

I could say I want to protect my family...
But I can't even them protect from themselves... I try and defend them, but when things get physical between one another (ie: Father about to throw an Item at my brother) and I'm right there, I would try to stop the incoming item. But I hesitate, and watch my brother writhe in pain as the item impacts him on the skull... I really wanted to get in front of him or anyone I cared for. But when your family tries to hurt one another. Its hard for to choose who to protect, and whether do they deserve my protection or not... I really sometimes hate myself for not doing what I should have. If this is just with my family then what about my best friend or even my girlfriend. They understand me more than my parents or any of my brothers ever could... I still don't think I'll be able to actually help them or stand up to the danger for them. I'm just not a physical man... If it was an Argument, I would definitely stand up for anyone as long as they were right and just. And I'm afraid of pain, Emotional and Physical, but on a larger scale. But I just can't face myself to see them disappear from my life, right before my eyes...

But who knows...
When the day comes where I have a choice to whether sacrifice myself to save the one I cared for...
All what I have said above could become irrelevant....

In the end just saying that you will protect those you love is not enough. you have to do things to prove it every day by just watching over them and helping them. and when the time comes and you have to face a life or death situation then you must live up to all the talk and do what you need to do.
cause actions speak louder then words

Same. I've no one to truely love other than my family as of now, but once I have someone who loves me back, I'd rather me suffer than them. It goes for my family too. But I'm an idiot who only wants love. So I'd most likely want to protect my lover. There. I said it.
But with my way of thinking, I'd probably try to find some way to protect all of them: family, friends, and lover. I'd probably throw myself as a decoy or bait or something. I'm not exactly sure. When the time comes, I'll do whatever I do, during that situation. That's because there's no move that fate doesn't intend for you to make, so whatever happens, happens!

I would give my life in defence of a complete stranger. Simply because I'm the self-sacrafice sort. It may not be natural, but that's simply who I am.

I don't really have anyone, no. Don't care about my family enough and the so-called 'friends' around me are rather people I just happen to socialize with atm, after a year or 2 they'll be out of my life for good and I will have to find new people who, most of the time, just happen to drop by.

Still having hopes for good friends but whatever. I'll see what happens.