Abortions - Right or Wrong?

I don't think people casually just get abortions. All the women I've met who have had abortions affect them greatly. I even know one who got a tattoo of the time frame, I found it a bit odd - but yea.

I do my part with birth control, and am very up front and honest when I feel like I'm off it a bit (maybe accidentally took it 1-3 hours late, or forgot it completely one night).

Though birth control isn't effective 100%, there are small chances of pregnancy occurring. Very small, granted.

What about people who were responsible with their contraceptives? I'm sure it would heavily impact them if they had to abort the child.

It would be impossible for me to financially support a child if I gave birth to one, and I'm too selfish to allow somebody else take care of what I gave birth to. To me it's all or nothing.

I see none as long as they are going to become human than it should be considered human.


I do make my own money I pay for a lot of things (not everything like summer I stay in my parents’ house, but I don’t have to it’s a choice of it’s the smart thing to do to save money). I’m not saying money isn’t important, but you don’t need it to live a good life. You make it sound like without money their lives would be meaningless. Are you saying that all poor people are miserable, and have to stay that way? People make their own lives it’s a matter of your choice and a little luck.


Really and I was answering you the 2nd time I posted this.

If it is rape there should be some sort of institution to help the rape victim, but the life takes priority over the problems a birth can present. “Safe sex” is not always safe if a couple doesn’t want any chance of a child no sex is the only option. You have sex you should have to take the responsibility of that child.


It can for the same reason that we don’t allow people to kill their baby, or child, or another person. It’s not about the “pursuit of happiness” it’s about “life” there’s a reason it come first. A child isn’t the end of the world for that person their life goes on they can still be happy. The child though has no chance at all if aborted.

@GinIchimaru_09: You're never going to convince me that an unborn life is life, or since it will BECOME life, it IS life with your opinion. Let me tell you that straight off because something that can't think for itself can't be called "sentient" life, which you don't bother to specifically define. And really, the root cause of this abortion debate is what is specifically considered "sentient life", as While Lion and gibbous and me mentioned before.

Secondly, consider ZiggyOtaku's post, which I can tell you completely skipped over to answer mine. Her post has a lot of truth, and she's been in a similar experience herself, which you nor I can never experience to.

Three, I never said that without money, life would be meaningless - having money is the bottom-line, and without money, forget about living. This isn't about meaning, this is about survival.

Four, and again, you're telling me that women who got pregnant due to rape should be forced to give birth to a child who's father was the rapist? That's screwed up from whatever angle you look at it. And telling people not to have sex is like equivalent to saying "don't fall in love" - simply ludicrous idealism.

Fifth, if you're talking about life coming first, then through that reasoning established life would come first over something that is yet to be established. The laws are meant for the living, not for the unliving, and essentially until the child the is born, scientifically speaking it's a parasite living off of the mother (host) without providing something in return.

Oh yes I skipped over it instead of starting to type my post before she posted. (facepalm)
So because we have not experienced it our opinion doesn’t matter. That’s like saying that Obama isn’t allowed to pull the troops out of Iraq, because he hasn’t experienced war. Fucking stupid.


I disagree all the people I have met who have gotten abortions (excluding one) have done it with no impact on them at all.


First it’s more screwed up to kill the child. Second how does not having sex mean you can’t love? You don’t have to have sex to love someone, and they can still have sex they just have to consider the consequences.


So answer me this is it perfectly fine to kill this person.
They are completely brain dead they can’t do anything a fetus can do. They feed off life support like a parasite, but we know that in like 6 months they will regain all body functions.
It is a matter of we know they will become human so no matter their state they should be given the same right to life as everyone else.

Personally I'd say yes, it is fine to kill that person. There are some people who would rather die than live that life for such a duration of time. I know if I was ever in that situation I'd want someone to pull my plug. Besides that kind of hypothetical situation doesn't apply. You have no way to know that a person would be able to live again in six months, similar to how you don't know the baby would be born in nine months.

I don't care what scientists say, to me a baby isn't alive until it is born. Up to that point it is fine to abort if you aren't able to take care of the child or it puts you at personal risk.

I agree with Tsurayu. But I also understand Ginichimaru's point of view. It doesn't matter that the baby hasn't come out yet, you treat it as so even while it's in the womb.

But I defend that a child should not come to the world if it has to suffer in the future.
(I know my posts aren't very elaborate, that's why I try to keep off these threads)

That's why I like pro-choice. If you don't like it you don't have to do it, or you have to discuss it with your partner; and if you are for it you can feel free to have an abortion.

I don't understand why those who aren't for abortion really care what everyone else does. It isn't your child. Let the mother and/or father do what they choose with their child. I guess that is awfully idealist of me, but that's just what I think. It's not your concern so leave them be.

I don't think this even needs anymore of a reply.


I’m guessing you mean something like they will live in constant pain because of some body deficiency? Hmmm that’s a tough one if a child is going to constantly suffer from some defect then I could ok an abortion there would have to be a lot of judgment calls for this one though, it would really fall onto what the individual doctor thinks and that could cause problems.

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Where exactly is the child’s choice is the issue at hand.


For the same reason that we don't want people having the right to kill their ten year olds because it's murder.

I meant in the case the parents are some teen dimwits who couldn't keep their things in their pants and don't have the means to take care of the child, or that the parents cannot support the child financially, or some other reasons that may be a prejudice to the child's life in it's childhood and later on.

Maybe you just know shitty people. Because I've never met someone who was okay with doing it and did it like it was a normal routine.

You don't have the right to tell somebody what they can and can't do.
If you're against killing a living being. Go vegan. Stop being a hypocrite.

Actually to me its wrong
Abortions is like killing a human being.
you Preventing to that child live this world and Beside its your Fault to
happen that to you should take responsibility for that take care of it.

That IS the problem!!! What if you CAN'T take care of the child?! Would you rather not being able to take proper care of it?? Not being able to give him a decent life, normal and care-free??

Personally, I don't want to have a child till I have a stable life and a stable carreer so I can offer my kids a good life, and not pass them my troubles.

Their is no child. It has no choice. You are surprisingly as idealistic as I am, but from a totally different spectrum. Not that I find anything wrong with that, but I'm just surprised to find someone similar to me, yet so fundamentally different.

How about this: If doctors found out that a baby would be born retarded or with a severe disability, would it be okay to abort the child?

If so, then would it not be okay to abort a child if he/she was going to live in extreme poverty or with an unfit parent?

One, bad analogy. Two, you're not a woman, and don't give me crap that their experience don't count because they're the ones giving birth to babies, not you. Until you give birth to a baby, you'll never understand what a woman goes through by being pregnant.



Oh really? If you had a wife who got raped by someone and became pregnant, you wouldn't want to abort it? It's not even your own child and is a byproduct of a violent and mentally-taxing encounter, so you still want to raise a child of a rapist? And you missed my analogy completely. I meant that stopping sex is just as impossible as stopping love - learn to read between the lines.



You can't even begin to compare the two. One, a vegetable may or may not regain motor functions, and we don't know and people keep them on life support in hopes that they do - not the same as definitively knowing that the person will "wake up in six months". Two, a vegetable is already established life - a fetus IS NOT. Three, if I turned into a vegetable with literally no hope for survival, pull the plug - I'd rather not waste taxpayers and my loved ones' money on something that is all up to miracle, especially if the probability of regaining conciousness is next to none. Four, a fetus sucks life from the mother and is bodily taxing; a vegetable sucks money. You tell me which hurts more, mister money-can't-buy-happiness.

Abortion for me is wrong. Its life and every life is precious.

I take it you would never kill a mosquito...

wehehe

Well, it does have a higher consciousness and more complexity than an early embryo...

Quoted for truth and irony. And they're both parasites.