Anti smoking laws

Mandatory smoke sections which are properly sealed off from the rest of the restaurant or pub, then again when I go into a pub or bar I expect there to be smoke, and I am generally disappointed if there isn't any. I do want those sections in restaurants because I want to taste my food not your smoke. I think I'm addicted to secondhand smoke anyhow.

I don't smoke but, I feel that these smoking bans are going a little far. Whenever I open my tavern I will allow smoking and if someone bitches about it I'll just tell them to leave. People are getting hypersensitive about this second hand smoking bullshit. Sure, if the air is gray with the smoke from the cigarettes its bad for you but, the guy sitting on the other side of the room isn't bothering you. I was fine with the smoking and non smoking section separation. That was perfectly fine since some people are allergic to certain things like smoke and dust. This whole anti-smoking thing is just pathetic.

Companies are firing smokers, insurance companies won't insure smokers, they can't smoke at work, anywhere in public that is 100 feet of a building entrance. Think about it, in the larger cities how often is there 200 feet from between two doors? They can't smoke anywhere except for their own homes and they can't be in the same rooms as kids on top of that. The laws are even preventing people from smoking in their own cars! Then on top of that, people keep putting more and more taxes on tobacco products. I think its stupid to take something that costs $1-2 as a finished product then add $4-8 dollars in taxes on top of it. All to "keep it out of the hands of children" which is bullshit. People are buying the cigarettes for these kids. Jacking up the price isn't stopping these people from giving these kids cigarettes. They aren't walking into a store and buying a pack. They don't have the right I.D. for it and by the time they get the right I.D. THEY CAN BUY IT THEMSELVES!

lol if you tried that here the police would be on you faster than you could say "aye up gavanar wots goin on ere'?"

Try what? To buy cigarettes without the right id or throwing someone out of a public place because they bitched about the smokers?

Reminds me of the assistant in the local hospital when I had my arm broke. A few relatives of mine came for a visit and my cousin wanted to smoke for a bit. Assistant went nuts on him when he tried to light a cigarette on the balcony... guess who I found smoking on the balcony 2 hours later :arrow:

letting someone smoke in a pub/bar

Personally with the whole smoking thing I think having a smoking area in a public place should be like having a liquor license. That way most places you go you don't have to deal with 2nd hand smoke, but if a club/pub/restuarant whatever wants to have smoking there, then they can. And if you choose to go there and get 2nd hand smoke that's your choice, but it's clearly posted that it is such a place. I think smoking places would actually then become kinda popular, and make a name for themselves within the subcommunity of places you can hang out and smoke at.

That just always seemed to me to be the happiest medium.

My favorite concert venue allows people to smoke. They flick the ashes onto the floor. Here in America we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone as long as its not based on Gender, Race, Creed,etc,etc,etc.

Why do you drink alchol? Because it tastes good / fits the atmosphere / is a "tradition" or "habit" of humans to do certain things in certain situations which seem natural.
The reason for smoking? I am sure that a good cigar or pipe with cherry tobacco tastes good for a smoker while not bothering the others too much.

Also there is the thing that it is good for the society in thus that people get together in a nice bar to smoke a tobacco product of their choice together and have a chat about the world while getting to know each other, not to mention the amount of workspaces the tobacco industry offers.

Agreed, if you're going to ban smoking then you need to ban drinking, coffee, soda, beef, junk food, fast food, sky diving, bungee jumping and everything else.

Let people do what they want, no on wants a nanny state. I don't smoke cigs, but I like to sit down with some friends and enjoy a nice cigar now and then, and it would be nice to be able to do so at a nice club or resturant or other such place designated for that purpose.

did you say you were doing requests?

You gotta be a little more specific. Half the time I don't even know what or whom your questioning.

i say public places. like schools & diners. i say this cause i have asthma(sp) and its really annoying to be surrounded by smoke.

I don't smoke, but I've grown up in a family of passionate non-stop smoker.

People usually bring those 'It's my right to smoke when I want to!'-kind of arguments, and I'd really like to hurt them for it.

If the smoker thinks it's his right to smoke, he is at the same time ignoring my right to not being forced into second-hand smoking and getting my lungs ruined.



Everything you listed differs from smoking, guess how? It doesn't affect other people's health (At least not without them being able to do anything about it. *cough* Alcohol.) if you're doing it.

Thanks for all the responses so far. Really has something to see things from a different point of view when it comes to topics like this.
I am actually surprised at the votes so far, as I figured there would be way more people choosing the "Give the people their freedom to smoke where they want" option.

i completely agree, most smokers expect everyone to respect their liberty of freedom but then blatantly disregard others health at the expense of a convenient smoking place. that ladies and gentlemen is called being hypocritical, you might as well sign up for green peace claiming your an animal rights activist while killing baby seals with your bare hands.

At the same time forcing smokers to vacate a place because you don't want to be around it is doing the same thing to them. So we have a conundrum. Smokers want to smoke but, the non-smokers don't want to be around it. Here's and idea..how about.. separate areas! Smoking section at one end of the establishment then have a wall between the areas to prevent the smoke from migrating to the non smoking section. The smokers can have theirs and the bitching people can find something else to bitch about.

I still believe that the person who OWNS the establishment whether it be a bar,pub, concert venue, restaurant or whatever should be the final judge. Its their place, their livelihood. If they want smokers then they should allow them. A desire for "smoke free" places will arise and the non smokers can do there to enjoy whatever.

Its bullshit that smokers are forced to leave wherever they are in order to have a cigarette, its fucking disrespectful. I'm a smoker and I agree that places like hospitals, schools, and some other places shouldn't permit smoking. However, it really pisses me off that if I'm out drinking, I have to go outside to smoke. In restaurants and many public places, there used to be a smoking section, a non-smoking section, and a commingled section. People can bitch about how they think its disrespectful for smokers to be smoking indoors, but that's why they had a section reserved for them, separate and out of the way of the smokers. When it was legal, I rarely smoked in public places, but when I did I was aware of and respectful to the people around me. Not all people are like that, but that doesn't mean that all smokers should have to suffer for the actions of a handful of assholes.

This whole bitching about smoking thing is getting too out of hand. People have this idea that if you make a big enough statement, its going to get people to quit and make tobacco companies straighten up. I hate to state the obvious, but that's naive. Organizations like Truth need to realize that with all the bullshit that they're doing, they aren't realizing the consequences of their actions. Nicotine is an addictive substance. Its not really helping nicotine addicts to air commercials about people who've experienced the most extreme effects of smoking and explicitly showing what smoking does to your lungs and other organs. Not to mention the fact that, at the moment, the tobacco industry is a vital part of the American and world economy. Then there are the people who rely on tobacco sales, in one way or another, to survive. Short-sighted organizations who seek to bring down the tobacco industry don't realize that in the long run, their actions might just do more harm than good.

I smoke and I know I'm slowly killing myself. I try to quit, but I've made peace with the fact that I am doing harm to my body every time I light up a cigarette. Many like me have come to some sort of awareness of the fact, so people just need to shut the fuck up about it. The most annoying thing is when someone I don't even know comes up to me when I'm smoking and says, "You should stop because you're killing yourself."