Anti smoking laws

i didnt mean to stereotype smokers jesus and fiery, so my appologies. i agree with fiery that it should be the choice of the owner, but at the same time... do you think that the proprietor of a business is willing to spend their money to accomadate smokers with a seperate area when the expense is hardly going to increase profit? while using an air filter or any conventional method smokers will come, non smokers will go. it does make sense, but it seems unpractical to make it mandatory. if were conceited for not admitting your choice to smoke then so be it, but even if your content with the damages it pertains the entirety of the pub isnt. i just dislike when smokers proclaim it isnt there fault, why is it our fault that its not your fault? sorry if im being inconsiderate but honestly, untill smokes fume out vitamin enriched tea smoke its gonna be a problem.

You should reply by grabbing your cigarettes looking at the "warning" and yell "Holy shit! I thought there were good for me!"

Forcing someone to take his cigarette outside and negatively affecting someone's health is not the same thing at all.

Seperated areas, yeah, I know those. One room with a sign, smokers to the left, non-smokers to the right. No walls or anything at all. That's a great solution right there - I know in theory it is a great solution, but making seperated areas cost money and space which those comfortable little corner pubs (Which I really like for the athmosphere.) often don't have available.



The same goes for pretty much everything: firearms, drugs, oil, global warming, and so on. I doubt on the 'long run' this is really an excuse. And I know the difference between an forced second-hand smoker and the destruction of the ozone layer, but the argument is the same.

If you want to smoke, that's fine, just do it the fuck outside and away from me.

I have no problem with them kicking smokers out of establishments. You want to kill yourself that's your prerogative, but I don't remember signing a release saying you can slowly kill me with you.

You smoke, you get the fuck out of the building.

Know what I would say to people like you? Get the fuck out of my tavern.

You don't want to be around smokers then avoid them. You have no right to force other people to change their behaviors because its an inconvenience to you. Afraid of getting cancer or whatever bullshit the "second hand" smoke causes. Then avoid areas where smokers are.

You can't say "Oh you don't understand" or whatever. I've been around smokers my whole life and I honestly don't feel like a tirade at this point.

Here is an idea. Rather than ban something because you don't like it, Compromise. Have the law set up to allow businesses to decide if they want smoking and non smoking sections, smokers only or non-smoker only establishments. Don't like the fact that the pub you in allows smokers? Well, there would be another pub next door or down the street that doesn't allow smokers. Simple capitalism theory. Where there is a demand there will be a market and a business to cater to that demand.

The only way to solve the problem is to separate the two groups. The people who wanna bitch can bitch somewhere else. People who smoke and overall don't give a fuck will still be there.

Like I said a couple pages back, just make smoking in public places illegal, but then allow business owners to get smoking licenses like they can get alcohol ones. It would allow people that choose to, to have a place to go and hang out and be able to smoke without going outside, and those that don't want to have smoke in their face can just not go to those specific places. Seems like the most balanced solution imo.

Exactly what I was trying to say. Though I let my emotions cloud my argument since I have been dealing with the "anti-smoking" bs for years (I'm not even a smoker)

Here's how I feel about it.

If it is a privately owned institution or business they may choose to allow smoking or not in their buildings, their choice.

If they allow smoking and I don't like it I have every right NOT to go there or to protest it until they change it.

If the institution or building is publicly owned, for example, any government buildings, they should always be prohibited from allowing smoking unless the people vote otherwise in their cities/states.

I kind of like ultenth's idea with the smoking licenses though. That'd probably help a lot. Especially for bars and other places where people really want to smoke.

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woah, woah, woah, it's getting a bit smokey in here, huh?

not that i want people to flame at me or some shit, but correct me if i'm wrong here, seconded handed smoke does have the risk of hurting people, right, all these media, books, net references(wiki) agreed to that fact that passive smoking does contribute a certain amount of damage to the human body, Banning smokin completely from public places is not a suggestion, it's really just impossible to do, like the jesus said, a portion of the us and the world's economy does depend on the sales of tobaccos, there's no denying that.

schools and hospitals are distinctively the examples for public places that prohibits smoking and it should be that since the people in those places are relatively more vulnerable than ur average adult. but for restaurants and bars, i really think it's simply a matter of how considerate or how much of a jerk people can be, it depends each persons' view on responsibility, it's no doubt that most of the smokers know about the dangers of smoking and most likely the risks they've created for others around them, so it's frankly how one should act under the impression of knowing how smoking can effect others in defective ways. of course, if u wanna be a dick and just do as u please, one should have the right to do so, but mostly like nothing good will come out of it. or u can be considerate and acknowledge the certain circumstances or situations that u have put yourself in and make the right choice, and we, nonsmokers will certainly be thankful.

Ugh.

I don't mind smokers. I really don't. Tobacco is your thing, fine. Whatever.

I just hate the smoke itself. Whenever someone lights up within 5 meters of me, my sense of smell perks up to canine levels, and I can enjoy the smells of everything new york has to offer.

I'm not even going to spitefully list some of it. I don't know why it happens, but it annoys me.

I really do miss smoking in restaurants.

I always hate when my mom smokes in the car. That's about the only time I ever get upset about cigarette smoke, in the car. Other then that I don't care. Really only in the morning times too. I have a big gag reflex in the morning and smells are ultra sensitive to me when I first wake up. Dunno why.

I think one of the biggest influences on what you / others think about smoking comes from growing up / your nation actually.
I know that in Germany it is handled strictly while during my time in Denmark, it was up to everyone to either allow smoking or not however they liked it, so I guess it really depends on the mentality.
That in mind, I think that we can pretty easily say, from what has been stated so far that most anti smoking laws and smokers are two sides of the same coin. The art is walking right on the middle line between them.
I think an important point in the restaurant / café and pub non smoking rule is employee protection, at least in countries with unemployment problems like Germany. Often you can't choose where you work in here (as in you just get assigned by the "Agentur für Arbeit" aka the work agency and either accept it or you won't get anymore unemployment support). However this could be easily countered by just installing smoke filters in my opinion, while the state, making anti smoking laws, should support the bar owners / pub owners financially with the installation, as they are creating workspace and thus raise the states tax income.

If there was an option to vote for no smoking at all I would have voted for that. It's shitty for the environment and it's bad for everyone even those who aren't the ones smoking. Example: I have asthma, people smoke outside, I go outside, I choke.

@ Ramsus: I think we should ban driving because it's terrible for the environment and bad for people's health. I think we should also ban factories that produce dangerous gases and chemicals into the environment because that too is bad for people's health and the environment.

I think we should eliminate cows off the face of the planet because they produce more greenhouse gases that are bad for the environment than humans and all their vehicles do!

http://talk.livedaily.com/showthread.php?t=558643

Slippery slope? Why yes I think so.

Chances are you're choking on a hell of a lot more than just people smoking cigarettes. You being a person with asthma, would probably be better off in a totally and completely clean environment. I'd avoid the cities if I were you. But then again, what with the cows and such it's not so great in the country either.

dang lol he got up to the plate but ended in a strike out cuz of u lol but forgive me if thgat made no sence but i think i stated my case about this so...yea......

Off topic: I can imagine it must be a pain. Reminds me off a friend of mine that studied veterinary and loved treating animals but developed an allergy for dog hairs.

On topic: True, those are cases where some persons are truly in a tight spot. Though as Pasithea said, chances are that it is in conjecture with god knows what else is around in the city your in. Though I disagree on the moving part. It can be quite hard depending on the country you live in to find work these days and giving up a workplace can leave you at the risk to be unemployed for a rather long time (incase moving to another area would be seen as a solution).
Regarding the Asthma: I don't know if it helps all too much, but I heard from a friend of mine that taking vacation at the seaside (no pollen, smoke or these kind of things there, the place was relatively remote) helps.

public space/park/station/pedestrian = no smoking.
retail space/resto/pub = up to the owner,whether he allows it or not(extra tax for those who allows it)
at your own house = smoke until you die.PERIOD.

I used to really bad asthma until a few years ago and so I know how bad it is when someone smokes near you. My dad used to be a smoker but he quit because he noticed it was affecting me really bad. The weird thing is that as soon as he stopped smoking, my asthma went away completely. That probably wasn't the only cause but it was a big one.

Just a little story I wanted to share.