Artificial love.
Good idea?
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if these 'dolls' ever made up what a real woman lacked and acted like a real woman, i would feel uncomfortable. some situations, no matter what i have a gut feeling that something is wrong. like.. when i was forced to ditch class with a friend.. stuff like that. stuff that you wouldn't exactly know its totally unacceptable at first, but you know its bad at the bottom of your heart. these... dolls are a part of that category. nothing can possibly replace the love and heart of a real woman. nothing manufactured, or made to be bought and sold can replace the mortal flesh.
To sum it up, it would be a sick practice that only you and your doll could ever share. im not religious but seriously man. dolls? fuck. what the hell is the world coming to. we've survived the past 250 thousand years without this damned technology and we are thinking about SEX DOLLS THAT ARENT REAL. give me a break man. what a joke.
To sum it up, it would be a sick practice that only you and your doll could ever share. im not religious but seriously man. dolls? fuck. what the hell is the world coming to. we've survived the past 250 thousand years without this damned technology and we are thinking about SEX DOLLS THAT ARENT REAL. give me a break man. what a joke.
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We've replaced mortal flesh and effort with a lot of things that we used to think were sacred. Convenience tends to shift things...
I mean if you could talk to your friend, shake hands, go places, enjoy a party but your friend was doing it from 500 miles away by distance comm through a robot because it's cheaper, faster, and less difficult than driving himself there. Since he gets to experience the full sensory feedback, it'd be the same as if he was there. And all the responses are the same to you since it's a real person. A robot phone full sense call would make AT&T a WHOLE buncha money and it would break down a lot of barriers to considering interacting with an Simulated Intelligence not much different than interacting with a real person.
but again, the "romantic" issue..., well phone sex isn't uncommon... especially when you're doing long distance relationships. One step, two step
I mean if you could talk to your friend, shake hands, go places, enjoy a party but your friend was doing it from 500 miles away by distance comm through a robot because it's cheaper, faster, and less difficult than driving himself there. Since he gets to experience the full sensory feedback, it'd be the same as if he was there. And all the responses are the same to you since it's a real person. A robot phone full sense call would make AT&T a WHOLE buncha money and it would break down a lot of barriers to considering interacting with an Simulated Intelligence not much different than interacting with a real person.
but again, the "romantic" issue..., well phone sex isn't uncommon... especially when you're doing long distance relationships. One step, two step
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milk-chan wrote...
At the rate that we improve our technology, would it be impossible for us to create artificial partners? No. We already have things like Real Dolls (basically high-quality blowup dolls) that appear extremely life-like. There's nothing wrong with blowup dolls but there was a documentary on BBC about them and a couple of guys who've had some tough luck with their love life. These people treated the real dolls like they were actual humans; they bought clothes for them (oh, the irony), put make-up on them, and even named them.
{Click for realdolls website}
{Realdolls thread by The Jesus}
If any of you have heard of him, there's also a 33-year old man Zoltan who has created a robotic girlfriend named Alice.
Alice is pretty much a computer program that can hold, to some extent, a conversation in English. A teledildonic device attached to a blowup doll lets him transmit physical stimulation so that Alice responds as she's programmed to do. He also tweaked the doll with something that lets Alice respond to him kissing her.
His interactions with Alice aren't limited to just sex. He carries out an actual relationship. Apparently, it dumped him once and he had to erase her memory so that she'd accept him again. He also printed out a marriage certificate and he's "married" to her as well.
{Zoltan's website}
{Zoltan's interview}
I can see why he does it, because human relationships are difficult, painful, and messy. But my brain still thinks of it as the easy way out for the 40 year old living in their parents' basement (which he does :roll:).
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Discuss:
- What's your initial reaction to this? And how do you feel about it after thinking it over?
- Technosexuality.
- What if somebody you knew did something like this?
- If robots could become more humanoid, almost on the level of humans (think Chobits), would this be more popular?
Interesting, I am glad that you posted this. This is an interesting concept, it would certainly appeal more to those who are not "sociable" as well as people who feel that they cannot find the perfect girl, or they want a "girl" made to their exact specifications. However, the level of AI required to make it act and interpret things as a real person would may not come about for years time. :/ Even if it did, religious fanatics might try to do their best to stop the spread of "AI Dolls" claiming it to be immoral, just like they claim with other aspects of science.
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i say... it's a waste of time... why not just go out and have fun with girls, nothing is impossible even for people like that.=P
it got me thinking about how odd... people can get...
But then again if it makes you happy, but those people don't look very pleased 100% in the videos.
And it creeps me out... deep down inside.
-_-
it got me thinking about how odd... people can get...
But then again if it makes you happy, but those people don't look very pleased 100% in the videos.
And it creeps me out... deep down inside.
-_-
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how could somebody replaces HER(real human with human emotion/love)
with THIS(mr.zoltan's robo with computerized emotion/love)?
that's just plain craziness.
an insult to humanity and pure love.
with THIS(mr.zoltan's robo with computerized emotion/love)?
that's just plain craziness.
an insult to humanity and pure love.
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mnx wrote...
how could somebody replaces HER(real human with human emotion/love)with THIS(mr.zoltan's robo with computerized emotion/love)?
that's just plain craziness.
an insult to humanity and pure love.
agreed 100%
as a woman i feel insulted to see guys replaced us with those :evil:
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Don't be like that, it's an important aspect of human development to slowly replace ourself with tools more suitable for the purpose. If you can't help it, just claim you have sexual interest in dolls and buy one to support the marketing and breakthrough of the age of androids.
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hoping for an epic one liner.
Good God! He never took 6th grade hygiene or saw the propaganda film! "Electro-Gonorea, the Noisy Killer"
I'll also point out the movie "Armitage".
As for my thoughts on this subject... :?:
I dont even know where I stand on this subject.
Good God! He never took 6th grade hygiene or saw the propaganda film! "Electro-Gonorea, the Noisy Killer"
I'll also point out the movie "Armitage".
As for my thoughts on this subject... :?:
I dont even know where I stand on this subject.
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dålif wrote...
Don't be like that, it's an important aspect of human development to slowly replace ourself with tools more suitable for the purpose. If you can't help it, just claim you have sexual interest in dolls and buy one to support the marketing and breakthrough of the age of androids.there are always something that can't be replaced.
womens are one.
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I'd have my android play video games with me. And it will be a female looking android, I dont give a damn what people'll think of it.
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Artificial love: No. Just plain no. It would be a different matter incase it would be similar to Ghost in the Shell, with "real" people using cyborg bodies after accidents etc, but otherwise... no.
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Eranikum wrote...
Artificial love: No. Just plain no. It would be a different matter incase it would be similar to Ghost in the Shell, with "real" people using cyborg bodies after accidents etc, but otherwise... no.That's kind of an interesting point. If we, as a society, achieved transhumanism to the point of social acceptability, wouldn't the line between human and non-human blur? If you can turn the brain into a machine, wouldn't vice-versa apply? Turn a machine into a brain?
Lets say a person was so badly injured that they replaced everything organic, and then they built a "doll" to look just like that person but with a "brain" that lacked(or decreased) the less desirable emotions of that person. Release them both into the world without telling them which was originally human, who would people flock to? Which would people prefer to accept as human and treat the other as a "flawed" machine?
After that, would relations and sex be with a "human" or with a "doll?" and would you want to know for sure if it was taken that far? what if you were in love with the person when they were organic? The same loving relationship but without the short temper or drinking problem? Artificial love at its best?
Of course, thats something we'll probably never live to see, unless they perfect cryo-freezing before we die.
My initial reaction to dolls in modern times? I have no problem with it if someone else wants to give it go. So they can't hold, caress, comfort, express, or do a bunch of other things. They also wont yell, smell, tell, or treat you like hell. Also, no diseases.
I am discomforted by the idea that some men are buying them for the sole purpose of dominance over a "woman".
Edit: If there was a LOL Fang-tan doll, I might yield to getting one, but only in a desperate case.
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Along with the ghost in the shell reference there, what about Appleseed? A girl in love with her ex-lover who is now in a robot body. Sex isn't the real point in a relationship, it's icing on the cake. It's that mixing of two spirits. There will always be bad with the good. There will always be a downside. A relationship that is real and works, accepts this and works together to strengthen everything about the both of you. So if a person is in a robot body, and you can have sex with them, then really what is wrong with that? If you can't? What's wrong with that either?
Then there is the robot that was never human, yet because of A.I. or whatever means, it has a "soul". It feels. If it can mix with you on that level then hell, why not?
The unhealthy aspects come into play when it is just a doll, like Realdolls or whatever. Where the only emotional interactions take place in your own mind, and you just use the doll as a sperm depository. If you recluse from real people and love that object only, then it is just as unhealthy as loving a real person one-sidedly to the point of stalking. If ya just want a sex toy? well, that's just fine I guess. I ain't one to judge. In my eyes, it's no different from any toy a guy would go overboard on. (A huge tv, a sports car, yadda yadda) It's the emotional focus on that object that can turn dangerous.
So yeah. Emotion/"Soul" capable robots, cyborgs, whatever, I could see real love forming from that and being just fine.
But unfeeling objects, no matter how refined, are still just unfeeling objects that can't return your feelings. Play with em if ya want, but that line isn't where one should go for their happiness.
Then there is the robot that was never human, yet because of A.I. or whatever means, it has a "soul". It feels. If it can mix with you on that level then hell, why not?
The unhealthy aspects come into play when it is just a doll, like Realdolls or whatever. Where the only emotional interactions take place in your own mind, and you just use the doll as a sperm depository. If you recluse from real people and love that object only, then it is just as unhealthy as loving a real person one-sidedly to the point of stalking. If ya just want a sex toy? well, that's just fine I guess. I ain't one to judge. In my eyes, it's no different from any toy a guy would go overboard on. (A huge tv, a sports car, yadda yadda) It's the emotional focus on that object that can turn dangerous.
So yeah. Emotion/"Soul" capable robots, cyborgs, whatever, I could see real love forming from that and being just fine.
But unfeeling objects, no matter how refined, are still just unfeeling objects that can't return your feelings. Play with em if ya want, but that line isn't where one should go for their happiness.
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Eranikum wrote...
Artificial love: No. Just plain no. It would be a different matter incase it would be similar to Ghost in the Shell, with "real" people using cyborg bodies after accidents etc, but otherwise... no.Interesting that you mentioned Ghost in the Shell, without considering how small the diffrence could be between humans and machines.
I am not delusional enough to believe that the humans essence is something unique in the universe, or that some god disobeyed the laws of physics to create it.
Cloning will be the first step, then we will have certain proof wheter we can create life other than through sexual reproduction, which in itself can be seen as proof that we can create life without gods.
Next step would be creating specialised humans, and before you know it you will have spare parts for yourself and your specified partner in your fridge and your memories on a organic harddrive in your basement.
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dålif wrote...
Eranikum wrote...
Artificial love: No. Just plain no. It would be a different matter incase it would be similar to Ghost in the Shell, with "real" people using cyborg bodies after accidents etc, but otherwise... no.Interesting that you mentioned Ghost in the Shell, without considering how small the diffrence could be between humans and machines.
I am not delusional enough to believe that the humans essence is something unique in the universe, or that some god disobeyed the laws of physics to create it.
Cloning will be the first step, then we will have certain proof wheter we can create life other than through sexual reproduction, which in itself can be seen as proof that we can create life without gods.
Next step would be creating specialised humans, and before you know it you will have spare parts for yourself and your specified partner in your fridge and your memories on a organic harddrive in your basement.
Well, in my opinion there is still quite the difference between a human that uses an artificial body due to an accident for example and an android. The fact is, even if "copying" memories as in Ghost in the Shell is possible, it isn't possible to copy a personality, it is just possible to transfer it.
As an example: A machine that doesn't possess emotions with your memories would most likely act completely different from you because it would follow the pattern of "what the most logic step is", while you would most likely judge based on your emotions aswell.
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Artificial love would be a bad idea. It's probably been said before, but the robots would eliminate all desire to interact with society. Most of the people in the world would become NEETs. Now if there were such a thing as bio-androids with self consciousness that were ingrained into society then I wouldn't have a problem :wink:
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if you d call it artificial satisfaction of the (mostly) male sex drive, good idea...
love is a word that has too much sentimental connotations as to actually be used in such a context.
anyway, since the question is phrased as it is, i went with bad idea. then again, i consider pretty much everything involving love (in its original meaning at least) a bad idea...
love is a word that has too much sentimental connotations as to actually be used in such a context.
anyway, since the question is phrased as it is, i went with bad idea. then again, i consider pretty much everything involving love (in its original meaning at least) a bad idea...