Bill to de-fund Planned Parenthood re-introduced in Congress

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/01/04/bill-to-de-fund-planned-parenthood-re-introduced-in-congress/

What do you think, Fakku?

Personally, I want this bill to be shot down. As fucked as abortion can be, it's a form of population control, and I think it should be available especially for those who need an abortion for medical reasons.
The other thing is....making abortions illegal isn't going to stop women from getting them. It's like marijuana and a shitload of other illegal things. They'll find a way to get an abortion if they really want/need it, and they'll go back to coat hangers.
I'd much rather have a safe institution that handles abortions in a clean, and standardized fashion than have my cunt ripped out by a hanger.

From what i understand, federal money cannot be used for abortion by Planned Parenthood,which does far more than abortions anyways. My feelings on abortion have become more complicated recently(I am uncomfortable with abortions done after the first trimester), but i still don't support this bill

And this bill is coming from the same party that vetoed the violence against women act because it provided some measure of protection for LGBT,Native American and illegal immigrant women....because apparently there lives are not sanctified enough to be worthy of protection. So fuck them

I'm going to say this for the sake of discussion, so please don't anally devastate me with a plethora of comments about my decision.


I had an abortion done at ~7 weeks, and I used the pill method (Mifepristone/misoprostol).

I feel like the pain from that should be more than enough of a lesson to those who are getting pregnant over and over again without a care. Or to those early teens who don't understand the importance of contraception.

For reference, even though I got the abortion done pretty early, it still hurt incredibly bad.
It may have only lasted for a day, but that day of pain has never left my memories.
The pill method consists of two pills (Mifepristone/Misoprostol) that abort the baby.
I took mifepristone on one day to stop the production of progesterone, a hormone that is absolutely necessary for a successful pregnancy. On the next day, I took misoprostol to make my cervix dilate in order to empty out my uterus. Sounds disgusting, and it was. Literally moments after taking the misoprostol, I started feeling nauseous, and extremely weak. I laid in bed, feeling like shit while my boyfriend tried to make me feel better by snuggling up to me. Normally that'd cheer me up in no time, but it wouldn't do a thing. I could barely keep my arms around him because I felt so weak. I tried to eat because I felt hungry, but could only manage to swallow a couple bites of chicken noodle soup. Then the pain came. It felt like my ovaries were tying themselves in a knot, and like someone was trying to rip out my uterus. This lasted pretty much all night (I had taken the misoprostol around 2 or 3 pm). I had the shits and that was no fun. Then vomiting. I literally puked until I wasn't able to puke anymore. I remember laying on the bathroom floor, quietly whining in agony for what was probably 2 hours. When I finished ridding myself of any and everything in me, I wobbled back to bed and laid there for the rest of the night, curled up in fetal position, crying and whining. I clearly remember almost yelling "MAKE IT FUCKING STOP" and waking my boyfriend. I know I ended up crying myself to sleep.

Now keep in mind, I was loaded with painkillers, anti-nausea, and anti-vomiting medications. (Promethazine, tylenol w/codeine, and..something else, in addition to shitloads of Advil)

And it still hurt that badly.

I feel like if someone had gone through that kind of misery, that person wouldn't want to go through it again. The obvious solution to that would be proper contraception use, wouldn't it?

So anyways, sorry for the long ass post. My point is, while abortions are pretty fucked up, they should be a goddamn lesson. It's just a shame that some of the humans among us are hopeless.

I agree with that completely. For an underage pregnant girl, whether she chooses to abort or go through with the pregnancy, should use either experience as a learning lesson. And yes, funding should definitely stay at state.

I can't find it in me to make a lengthy response to this because simply knowing this is happening saps me of any and all energy to even feel pissed about it.

So I'll just say this,

Republicans are going to ruin this country. They've already tried pretty damn hard, and gotten pretty far. Obviously the party in and of itself is not evil, but the actions and idea of those republicans who are in any seat of power, are. God save America, we're going to be fucked.

Implying we're not already being fucked in subtle ways.

... Fuck this, let's go smoke, and eat pizza until we die.

I'm so fucking with you on that. Here's to the anal devastation of what we deserve by self-centered idiots.

You have to break up with your boyfriend.





Because I'm going to fucking marry you.

Wouldn't that mean you'd have to break up with your guy too? Lol.
I'm kind of married already though. I know I keep saying boyfriend, but we're technically married (common law) and he started to write me down as his wife on legal forms and will file me as a married dependent on taxes this year.
;///; yay!
I just need to get into the habit of calling him my husband now, lol.

Ouch ;_; 3

And no, no I don't. ._. It's kind of fresh, actually. We've technically been broken up for ~8 months, but... thanks to denial, it feels like less!

Yay for you <3

;~; I'm sorry to hear that..it'll heal in time and you'll find someone else!

But I'm sure you've heard that from another 142928578926 people.

xD;; ... Okay, I'll stop hijacking your thread now. People will start to get pissed and confused.

I support the legislation, if it were amended only slightly: Planned parenthood does provide many other services besides abortion, rather than defund Planned Parenthood, simply ban abortion on the federal and state level.

As the fourm starter herself has revealed, abortions have many health concerns, including in rare cases life threatening to the mother. The disregard to life, so as to affect women is a major social policy failure on our part.
Of course, I've stated my pro-life stance numerous times, but such a stance isn't just for the fetus, it's for the women.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

An in depth look at the statistics show that what I would classify as "Medical" Abortion(IE: Cases of Rape, Incest and the health of the woman being in danger at the time of pregnancy) accounts for 7.5% of abortions. If you want to round it out to 8%, that's fine by me too.

I've supported medical abortions and continue to do so, or that is to say: If we can limit abortions to just those 8%, then we could have saved millions of new lives to come into America.

Far more significant, has been the social issues in the life of womanhood. Such as not being able to afford the child, not wanting to give birth in a single household situation and teenage pregnancy.

Surrounding that one issue, teenage pregnancy, I'd just like to say in 2013, I'd like to believe that there isn't a teenage woman alive(16+ anyway) that doesn't know what a condom is. Or at least a pill. Hell, these things didn't stop Africa from massively populating even at a time of unknown and significant risk in the 90's(the AIDS explosion)

Nor did they have much impact in America. The idea that we can just hand every teenage woman and male a condom and a pill and these social issues will go away, make the democrats just as irresponsible as the Republicans in my opinion.

We have to return, fundamentally to Western Principles that having a child is the most sacred thing we can do. The idea that our bodies are special and to have sex, means to trust a partner fundamentally. And we must make it law on how special women are.

The Republican Party should be voted out entirely on the mid-terms, because of their utter failure in signing the Violence against Women Act. That Act is fundamental in what now must be our social approach. To protect and strengthen women so that they can choose healthy, long lasting relationships where some of these social issues no longer become an occurrence and women can safely avoid dangerous abortion procedures.

There are a ton of other ideas I'd love to implement politically as well, I'd replace a Minimum Wage with a Fixed Wage(IE:Every American is ensured of making at least 18.00 an hour) while allowing said Wage to increase.

In other words, it can always go higher depending on the worker's skill level, but it can never go lower. There are some workers who are better than others, and deserve to be compensated as such, but its my premise that every American who works hard is worth a good paying job. That's what I would ensure.

The Minimum Wage is a delusion, that is the government in fact giving corporations a legal barometer for low and cheap pay. Think about it, in our "capitalist society" of today, a corporation could either hire Worker A for $9.00 or so, if the Worker feels dignified enough to refuse, he'll search the market(the now dried up market), comes back and takes the underpaying job.

That's sickening, that's what's happening and it's happening under the watch of progressives which makes it even worse. How can we claim to protect the worker's class, when we allow them to be monopolized, legally?

Under my system, workers would be fairly compensated, employment would be high(because now, instead of drifting about, a man/woman can take the job of his/her dream and be safe and secure in it) and our domestic growth would be unprecedented.

It would be a micromanaged economy, but the economy needs to be micromanaged at this time. We can no longer let the fat cats establish the rules, have legalized slaves and pay absolutely zero for the production of the worker class.

[color=#2e1a6b]You can't fund planned parenthood without indirectly funding abortions.

As long as their expenses from non-abortion services exceeds their revenue from federal taxes, they can expend as much money as they want on abortions. Basically, revenue that would have gone towards their non-abortion services goes to abortions, and the federal taxes reimburse said revenue.

Are you perhaps talking about the Violence Against Women Act?

You do realize...how fucked up the bill was, right?

I noticed this thread when I went through my old post, and seeing your post made me interested enough to read on the actual bill.
I was going to make a thread based on a similar topic but saw this one instead.

What exactly was fucked up about the bill?

Now before I begin I don't know much about the Native American issue, which is why I won't touch it.

Well let me start of with the one that caught me eye first.

It gives incentive for immigrant women to committed several federal and state crimes against others(men) for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining legal immigrations papers.

There's also that whole thing about those accused of abuse(men...) loose a lot of legal rights.(due process, right to confront your accuser...pretty much an abrogation of our constitutional rights)

You wanna know what's the kicker though?
The bill doesn't really attack the real root of domestic violence.

How does it give incentive to commit crimes for citizenship?The only crime i could think of it incentive is making a false claim of abuse

As for the loss of legal rights for the accused, i wasn't aware of that and don't support that. With that said, i think that could be addressed without scraping the bill entirely. Plus, the republican opposition to it didn't seem rooted in that, but more not caring about certain types of women. For example, when it comes to Native American woman, if they are raped or assaulted in tribal land by a non-native it is extremely difficult for the tribe to bring any sort of legal action against that person without the protection afforded by the violence against women act. And again, they are the ones who keep talking about they are trying to protect life no matter what

Also, what do you feel is the root cause of domestic violence?