Burning the Qur'an

What reality? The reality that my country has about one major crime related to the victims sexuality, race, faith and so on a year? The reality that most muslims, blacks, gays and transsexuals feel that they can walk down the street without being afraid of someone beating them up? Yeah, the reality has really started to wear me down.

That's not quite correct sir "The road to hell is paved with pleasure"

good intention never get you to hell



so be it.

our wiseman says that those hatred against moslem is like iceberg. what you saw on surface only little part of their hatred. so don't get provoked. let them do what they like. but if you don't have any tactical advantage don't do anything foolish.

The only thing that seems to have worked is the suppression of free expression. In America, freedom of speech means allowing people to express ideas that others disapprove of. It protects those who express unpopular views, whether or not it offends someone. Or is this Sweden shit about violence? Did they criminalize expressing disapproval of or offending other groups, or did they criminalize inciting violence against these other groups?

Going back to this quran burning, are these people trying to incite violence against muslims? If not, then whether or not the allallahfags get pissed off shouldn't matter, and using the government to legislate your value of forced respect makes you an asshole as well. These quran burners aren't the problem here, it's the cocksuckers who would resort to violence just because others don't respect their stupid faith that are the problem.



Is forcing others to shut up and not express themselves under threat of incarceration really the way you would spread tolerance?

Not only that, but laws do not create tolerance, they only alter actions taken. Government and laws cannot change people's opinions about other groups of people or cultures. So, yes people should be allowed to do what they want as long as it doesn't interfere with other people's right to do what they want.

It is a nice idea to try to make everyone get along, but you can't make people do anything - especially when it involves changing their ideologies.

*sighs* you really don't get what I said before. Giving that type of power to a government is almost never a good idea because they can't be trusted with it. Ever.

No matter which government.

And the thing is, we did illegalize beating up people and all that jazz. But if people hate they're still going to do it regardless of what the law says.

Sweden is a homogeneous nation anyways, you don't have as much diversity as other countries - not even close. Tolerating a few oddballs comparative to the main society isn't hard. Discrimination in other places takes place when there are large groups and organization changing the mainframe of society.

Same reason Japan is considered "perfect" when it comes to tolerance, they are so homogeneous that they don't mind a different kinda person here and there.

hey shithead do you try to piss me? what is your fucking points accuse me allallahfags.

but any other than that you get nice relpy. good to know someone stand in my side altough your accusation piss me off.

I'll give you one rep Kamerad

Was just about to say this.

It's also a great help to spread bigotry and intolerance.



Both actions are deemed punishable by law, but of course it has a great gray-area for what is deemed as "offending". If someone publicly states that he would never befriend a homosexual, because "homo's are weird" and shit some homosexuals would probably be offended, but the speaker would probably not be judged with anything. Now burning the Quran as "a way of flipping the finger to Islam" to quote the Pastor, is clearly both inciting violence against Muslims, and a justified reason to be offended. Now note that if he was burning these Qurans in his backyard by himself he would not be prosecuted either.



I would take this as an act to incite violence against Muslims, but that's just me. It might not be intentional, but that's one thing that I think this probably is gonna lead to.



And you both just totally missed that Sweden is the country taking in and hosting the most immigrants per capita in the entire EU, we have quite the diversity compared to many others, seeing how small our total population are.

Sadly enoguh nowadays this have lead to quite the uproar, our economy is slowly failing since we're taking in to many immigrants that don't adapt to the scoiety fast enough so we're losing money. This has lead to public displeasure and a quite the controversial(eg. racist) party have gained a lot of support over the last few years.

It is just a tool, one that can also be used to spread peace and tolerance. FORCING tolerance and understanding just makes your society's "peace" a facade and ingenious. They'll be nice in public, but still be bigots at home.

who the hell even mentioned your name? sensitive much?... Rbz is referring to those extremist that will pick up they're weapons as soon as those "infidels" do something they don't like.... >_> which is this event.

Like I said, the event i stupid, but legal if it doesn't involve any anarchy in it.

Can it? Please tell me how hate-speeches and flag-burning spreads peace and tolerance? I don't think you understand what the law would be against, it would be against offending, harassing and inciting violence against a group of people because of their faith, race, sexuality, ethnic/national origins and so on. Not to silence anyone who wants to say something controversial.

And let them be bigots at home, at least that way they won't be spreading their stupid shit around them.

Offensive to muslims, sure, but inciting violence against them? Come on. All I see is them saying "Fuck your beliefs and values." Until they're explicitly inciting violence, claiming they're trying to fuck muslims up is only based on speculation.

why didn't you write moslem or you say mesumguy? don't be pussy. I hate when some shit talking ill behind me back!!



you got the point kamerad



that to is form of expression right

oh allallahfags it's mention about me. instead using allallahfags why don't you simply says mesumguy!


that was the most efficient way to spread tolerance. and if not because some fucking moron incite free expression. that method will bring world a better place to live.

Burning, in some societies, is the preferred method of disposal of something symbolically valuable. The flag is burned when it is considered no longer fit to be seen. Bibles are burned when they cannot be read. People are burned when they die. It shows respect and reverence for the item.

This man just believes he is trying to send a righteous ultimatum to people who he believes need to be stopped. His main goal is not to sew hatred or provoke violence (as he says).

Hate speech is accounted for in law. When the sole purpose of a speech is to rouse violent actions from or a against a group of people, it's dealt with.

When he starts preaching hatred for the whole faith, and calls for violence upon Muslims, that's when it is time to take action. Until he explicitly says that violence is necessary, it is free speech being exercised.

You're not stupid kaimax...

but yeah I totally agree. I think it is a horrible thing and only hurts their own image. It is just hateful what they are doing, but they aren't calling for any action against Muslims so there are free to do what they are going to do. But in the end, everyone knows they are making themselves look like idiots.

In a way, you're correct. In my mind, the way it's used against extremists is not just with disrespect, but it also includes my disgust. Other than that, it's just something I use to replace the word muslim. Just like if I want to express my disrespect for the christian religion, I call christians christfags.

It's not about personally attacking someone. People only get butthurt because they adhere to these stupid beliefs and it's a part of their life.

oh it's not me

hereby I declare to Kamerad Rbz I'am sorry. I guess I little out off string here
sumimasen deshita



that was i tried to say, but some moron simply doesn't care. because i quote kamerad

Don't bother explaining, you just ran across some sensitive person you atheistfag.

People call for toleration, but yet can't tolerate that some people are going to disrespect other people no matter what. How noble. Or hypocritical I don't know which.

All this does is takes the problem and sweeps it under the rug hoping you don't have to see the reality of the situation.

Except it doesn't change anything. It doesn't promote tolerance, it doesn't get rid of the hatred. Nothing.

And congratulations. You gave the government the precedence it needs to encroach on more of your freedoms. And you did it for accomplishing NOTHING.

But no, pretend it's working because your homogeneous population doesn't show it. Pretend that you really are making a difference.