Canadian Internet Bill: Harper goes overboard.

Two days ago, Prime Minister of Canada Mr Harper declared: "If you don't support the (internet) bill we are proposing, you are supporting child pornography!".

After many reactions from the canadians and the internet community, Mr Harper was exposed publicly as described in this manner.

Opinions anyone, on the current situation and on the risks that the bill may still pass, or not.

Personnally, I find outrageous that such a comparison can still be made with all the efforts that the internet community has put into making the politics unerstand why we want a free internet.

Oh, also, please do tell if you think he deserved it.

That dude is a fucking idiot and he got his arse handed to him. Nothing more needs to be said.

He's an idiot, that's all really.

That's why i'm proud to be quebecer , we didn't fucking vote for this idiot ­.

Just a little note: this is serious discussion, I posted this here because I think it important. But if I only get "PM is an idiot" responses, I'll ask for the topic to be moved to random.

If anyone has more info on the subject, please share. lordisgaea3, if you live in quebec, don't you know a little more about what is happenning over there? Any insight on what might come out of this?


Sure, but can you devellop?

I should explain first what i meant there . The quebec is a province (state) that tryed to have independance from canada for a long time now . In the last election (not exact numbers) 80% of the canada voted for harper , in the province of quebec , 80% didn't vote for him .

As for the bill , i was not aware of it until i read the article that you linked but it doesn't surprise me . Harper always try to do everything like the usa , it's almost if he's not selling the country to them . Not long after sopa and all the other bills , harper tries to pass a bill here in canada now , you see what i mean ?

Not only that but the concervative party is not for humans rights and things like that , he's debatings things like making illegal abortions , gay marriage and things like that so why should it suprise me that he want to break our right of privacy ?

In quebec we don't consider ourself as canadians , we do not support Haper and his ideas , we are for freedom and it's something really important for us . Maybe a little side note on this , right now the prime minister of quebec tried to raise the cost of education in university by 75% without asking the opinion of the students . 100,000 students went to the street of montreal to protest against it .(we are 7 million in quebec) There has been more riots and violance than i ever seen in my life and we wont stop until our voice has been heard . Right now 14 universities will lose their session because they were on strike for too long .

i'm sure it helped Harper a lot, when a majority of the university and college students don't vote because they don't fucking pay attention.
I'm fairly certain everyone knows Quebec's stance, and I agree with their reasoning, I just think they're acting obnoxious. Everyone has to deal with the government it isn't WORSE because the guy we voted in wasn't from Quebec, although I don't agree with the fact he was legally voted in at all, but that's here-say.

On the topic at hand, in my personal opinion towards harper as PM; I believe he has spent too much time in politics, this getup about supporting child pornography is just a classic fill in argument given to him by his obvious media sponsors for his political party that want censorship and restrictions set up on 'owned' material.
However, I also think that quite a few of the promises the man made were beneficial towards the general populace as a whole. Now the problem is that he's a politician and I'd sooner trust a death row in mate than a politician in regards to just about anything public in nature. So, the real question is, do we keep the bill going and the man in power because of his tempting 'promises' or do we force him to abdicate his post and find another rat bastard to take his place. For now, go with the 'devil you know' rather than the devil you don't.

Now my opinion on censorship in general is that anyone who thinks to police the internet needs to get a swift shot to the head and a kick out of office. The internet is somewhere outside of the mind that a person can expose themselves fully and anonymously and not be worried about repercussions of saying this or that or letting their anger out in public without causing a disturbance to the peace. It's something that people from all over can use to communicate with each other without fear of their local societies judging them. Policing the internet is the first step towards police state country status in real life. I say this because, once the government knows what you do online, and suspects you of x or y, you will be judged in real time in real life, rather than the possibility that you were simply imagining or joking with your daily life's mask off. It will slowly twist around the neck of the people and, inevitably, cause civil disruption as people, over time, begin to hate and fear their government because of the release of tension they had, they no longer can use. An example of this would be Insanity Wolf. People that make the most fucked up insanity wolf posts, could be simple hard working people during the day, but the stress and constant scting of pretending they're fine for this reality which they have been placed into and have been bred into and when the pressure is high, they decide to post something unlike themselves, completely different, alien even, and yet this small post is a bit of relief from anxiety and neurosis, a first step to preventing what happens inside the INsanity Wolf meme's from coming to life. The internet started out as but a few boards for trading information, but now it could be thought of as the collective subconscious of billions of people. Both ths funny and the terrible, the interesting and the dastardly. Everything human is summed up within the internet, and trying to cover that up is a crime in and of itself.

If any of this seemed like I was talking in circles, my apologies I had to pause my train of thought quite a few times because of asshole room mates (>_>').

I've probably more to say on multiple subjects, however, I think for now this should both annoy and entertain people long enough. Cheers.

If this vote passes, I'm voting the Parti Quebecois in Quebec's next election. I'm tired of this fucking fascist. His comments on 4/20 made clear he does not care about Canada's opinions whatsoever.

So, what, who the fuck does he serve? I recall he said his top priority should the "protection of Israel". Does that mean to totally give up on serving and protecting Canada!?

I'm a Jew with family in Israel, and I probably understand the dangers we face from our crazy Arab neighbors more than anyone else.

But we have a word to describe what Harper is doing. I believe it's called treason...

Anyways, even though the article posted this 2 days ago, I'm sure this case is fairly old.

I'm just happy the soccer moms gave him a majority government because he's "conservative" (Whatever the fuck that means to them -.-)

It's not the topic so i'm not gonna start a discussion on this but i would just like to clarify it .

It's not because he's not from quebec , we just hate every federal governement that canada had for the last 30 years . People don't understand but our culture is totaly different in quebec from the rest of the canada . The principal thing is that we don't speak english , we speak french and it's really important for us that we keep it that way. We are the province that get the least monetary help from the governement for any cultural aspect . Not only that but they do everything they can so that the english take more place in quebec and we don't want that at all . We have nothing against the canada , we like canadians but they don't want to aknowlege that we are not like them and that we won't be like them . All they do is trying to assimilate us .

Thank you for your input, all of you.

I've done a bit of research and found THIS.article.

The bill. Is. OUTRAGEOUS.

"Require internet service providers to give subscriber data to police and national security agencies without a warrant, including names, unlisted phone numbers and IP addresses."
What? Meaning someone can track every single thing you do on the internet at any given time?
"Force internet providers and other makers of technology to provide a "back door" to make communications accessible to police."
WHAT?!

Is this Orwell all over again? Do they even think?
I'm sorry for flaming like this but this, "ça me met sur le cul" as you'd say in french(gets me on my ass, meaning I'm too astounded to stand).

Do they even know what they are doing?

Why is it the least educated on the internet are the ones calling the shots ?
- Monstercat

So, your stance on the position of the Quebec provincial government would be that 'yes we want to separate, and yes we want to take the Canadian economy with us?'

(I figure if you REALLY want to separate, do it. But start your own economy. The current Canadian one has been hard worked on by everyone in Canada and no one is 'happy' with where the Federal government has left them. If you want to leave, fine, but you're not taking the currency which has earned it's place internationally after a hundred years of work. Rather than simply shouting out 'no one understands us we want to leave, you should appeal to people and as 'please visit, and understand us and try to change the government in such a way everyone will e happier'. I believe the current view points are extremely selfish, although justified, given the current state of things, but over the past 200 years of work blood, sweat, and tears to create what we have today. And to be honest, I wouldn't want Quebec to separate. It would be like spitting in the face of all those from Quebec who died in WWI and II. My grandfather was an honorable man and fought with a whole variety of people and I assume, many people from Quebec [He never told any war stories I learn all of this from old newspapers that talked about my grandfather] I don't believe that the souls of the dead would appreciate all of their hard work ruined because some people couldn't communicate with each other properly)

I understand the need for cultural acknowledgement, however the base requirement should not be seperation. It ccan be solved other ways. Ontario itself has barely 60% of english speaking people. (By this I mean people that have english as a first langauge) There are so many different and varying cultures in just Toronto alone, and they all want acknowledgment as well. Each province was founded with differing ideals. Also, on the not of cultural displacement, Quebec may be entirely different, I respect that, but they aren't alone in that fact and they shouldn't imply that the rest of Canada WANTS them to be anything other than Quebecois. People in the three territories speak english, but almost all of them have differing original languages that are neither english or french nor recognized by the government as official. And, moving from the linguistic topic, they have beliefs and cultural status that NONE of us in southern Canada could even begin to comprehend, upon our first meeting. And yet they are here, because regardless of how shit tier the government is, every person makes up that which is Canada. And, regardless of the problems between each other, they will just bring us closer. Eventually this stuff will all blow over and everyone will begin to understand the differences in each other that make up the whole of our country, but until then we just need to be patient, and wait. We can only educate so may people at a time and many refuse to listen.

---Ontario and Quebec have been in the country from the beginning, if anything were to happen to either province, it would prove fatal to the rest of the country. This country was literally built on the co-operation of two entirely different peoples and has lasted two centuries. It would be a shame, a waste, and downright idiotic to put an end to it because one hundred men couldn't put their emotions in to words---

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Yes, to be honest the way to put this government out of peoples homes and electronics may turn out to be a civil revolution. Not just because of this, however, but because of many smaller things coming together and this item has the potential to make it all blow. "The straw that broke the camels back" as it were.
These people have no interest in learning about the society and culture which is the internet itself. They are, for the most part, too old to begin to comprehend the varieties as well as unable to appreciate that which makes the internet so popular.
There is a service known as "Cogeco Cable" it is a phone, cable, and internet service which provides internet to Quebec and Ontario. It has already sided with the Harper government and has sent out letters of approval to all of it's customers without getting their consent. On torrents they throttle down the speed and in some cases, completely cut off port access. On other p2p clients they have all of the mainstream ones blocked on their servers to prevent access to foreign data that is not covered under the new 'law'. This is not the only internet service to do so, this is simply one of the more popular. Other agencies/companies include: Bell Canada, Rogers, Telus, Montreal-DSL, Tamco Tech, PrimeLight, and quite a few more as well.

And no, they don't yet realize that there are people from the internet that will kill to protect it, as well as people that have he ability to hack just about any system to get what they need. They do not know what they are doing, and soon they will realize just how foolish a notion it was to begin their attempt at 'policing; the internet was with poor excuses like child pornography.

-/- Also, I believe that any Canadian citizen that actually believes any of this bollocks is not truly Canadian or has some serious IRL issues which are taking their attention away from whats really going on.

What pisses me off is their obsession with trying to "catch" criminals.

I thought the objective of law enforcement is to protect the liberties of the common man? So what sense does this make where law enforcement must be equipped to hunt criminals for unreported cases?

While stuff like speeding are one thing, for your child being kidnapped by a child predator, wouldn't it be the mother's responsibility to call authorities to investigate? So why we are arresting people before crimes even happen?

The answer to this question is no and i would disagree on absolutly everything else you said but it's not the topic so let's end this here ...

Hey, this is just a little pop up, because: 700 students arrested in Quebec.

So this is just a check up on Lordisgaea, seeing if your okay you're okay up there north of the world.

Haha we are fine don't worry , living in the cold of canada made us stronger we can take a lot :D

I was on imgur and found this , http://imgur.com/gallery/tH9Kn

Btw , since you or anyone might be interested in what is happening , the governement past a law saying that we won't have the right to protest anymore unless the protest is approved by the governement . The conflic is far from beign over , we won't give up our rights to a fascist government !

I took the opportunity to speak abouth it here but it's not against Harper that we are protesting , it's against our provincial Prime minister .

Happy to know your ok, keep on the fight!
Just don't get yourself in too much of a dangerous position.

If Quebec persists, and the problem isn't solved, will Canada as a country intervene in the debate or not?

....This is getting really annoying. Didn't the same thing try to happen in the States? I can't remember what the name of it was, but I know that it was one of the other bills just with a changed name (either csipa or the other one.) What really gets me is that every time someone want's to get attention or support for something, the first thing they do is mention children. It's fucking irritating.

Mmmm , i'm not sure if the federal governement can do anything in this case since the problem is abouth schools and education is ruled by the provinces . We would gladly accept any help from the canadian governement if it can resolve the problem though , the situation is becoming totaly ridiculous ...

The good thing is that the provincial elections are this year and the guy in power right now will not be reelected for sure .

Dafuq?! I live in Canada and I've never heard of this. Gotta start reading newspapers.