[Locked] Canine & Human courage combined- True story!

We have guns. And tanks. And nuclear weapons. All of which we have specifically because we outwitted all the tigers and bears and lions and all the others who tried to prey on us way back when and survived to become as intelligent and superior as we are.

No Jesus, we're not the strongest species on the planet in pure physical terms. Wolves, tigers, sharks, lions and several others I can name are all better natural hunters. What makes us stronger than them is our ability to reason, to use our wits which you seem to think so little of to overcome our problems. That's what makes us so much better than all the other poor schmucks out there in the wild.

We earned this planet when we became the dominant species.


A-freaking-men.

The problems that we have are problems that are inherent in our own instincts. We spread across the world in numbers beyond what the world can naturally support because we wanted to stop dying in mass numbers because of common diseases like the flu, smallpox, and a dozen other diseases that aren't even considered serious ailments anymore. We put our brains to work, and as a result we developed medicine and defeated most of the deadlier diseases, which normally act as a population control. We'll do the same thing with Cancer and AIDS one of these days too.

Now if you were to apply our advances as a species to any other species--say, Velociraptors for instance--do you honestly expect me to believe that that species wouldn't have similar drives to grow and spread and do everything in its' power to improve their own standing as a species? Or would they somehow magically have some wonderful little instinct that we don't which lets them live in harmony with their surroundings?

Give me a freaking break, Jesus. Or better yet, go back and watch Gurren Lagann again, that oughta make you feel a bit better about being human.

No need to be so aggressive dude; just a friendly debate.

Hah, I did not think my innocent question would spark such controversy. Anyways, I'm kinda on York's side here I think. Sure human beings may be the dominant species and we're powerful and whatnot, but shouldn't that power come with a responsibility to protect those who are weaker, to preserve the planet? Wherever we are in the food chain, we are still part of the planet, and last I checked we aren't so smart that we know how every part of the biosphere impacts every other part. You never know when we'll exterminate that one key link and the whole thing comes crashing down.

I guess it just sounds like some of you guys are saying we humans rule so much, we can run roughshod over anything and to hell with it. That just seems kinda irresponsible. There is much talk of dominating and defeating and overcoming, but surely a species that is truly intelligent would at some point concern itself more with building and improving and living in harmony with it's environment. In the end, we need the world, the world doesn't need us.

coyotes dwell in your village.? nice adventure.. it reminds me of patrache..

we humans arent stronger than animals by physical means.. its just that we are capable of thinking logically, and most animals only move based on their instincs.. but surely animals still have the right to live.. we humans take advantage of our intellect and continue to invent things that will make things easier for us, even if it causes the destruction of the environment.. sadly, sometimes we humans dont see the importance of the environment and end up abusing it to satisfy our selfish needs.. from that point of view, its like we humans are leeches that suck the life of the planet.. and that so not cool.. if all of us could only learn on how to coexist with other lifeforms here on earth, that would be good..


nice, very nice indeed..

Those numbers are another reason why humanity is so disgusting. I'll try to make my point in as few words as possible, not to be condescending, but because I tend to go off on tangents when I write too much. Simply put, human beings act as if they are above nature. 6.5 billion, don't you think that's slightly excessive. But hey, that's what humans seem to live for, excess. A lot of you get the idea that I'm totally dismissive of human intelligence and logic, but that's not true. Its not that there are so many flaws in our logic, its that we have the tendency to disregard what's really important and apply it to totally inutile bullshit. Take the colonization of other planets for example. We've totally fucked up our own planet and as opposed to focusing more on how to fix what we've destroyed and preserve what's left, we're spending ungodly amounts of money, time, and manpower on trying to figure out ways to spread to other planets. I use the term "spread" because humans colonizing other planets is similar to parasites finding new homes in healthy organisms or a disease spreading from one part of the body to another.



That has to be one of the most disturbing statements I've heard in quite a while. Guns, tanks, and nuclear weapons? I might be taking it out of context, but it seems to me that you're under the assumption that these things are an asset to humanity. We have guns, tanks, nuclear weapons, and all those other weapons because man believed that its necessary to be as efficient at killing as it possibly can be, either that or they were to cowardly to take a life with their own hands. Primitive man used tools to survive when the situation deemed it necessary. Modern man uses tools for everything from making sure they wake up in the morning to killing each other because they don't believe in the same things to killing themselves for the sake of instant gratification.



Actually, I haven't gotten the chance to watch Gurren Lagann yet, but that's besides the point. Humans are destructive beasts. We are intelligent and we possess logic, but that does not make us superior. You are confusing superiority with destructive potential.

People believe that human life is something so precious that it should be placed on a pedestal, high above all other things, but that's just naiveté. Life itself is a precious commodity, whether it's human or any other species. However, that does not mean that it isn't expendable. We live and then we die, that's all there is to it. Simply because we're intelligent and we have logic doesn't put us in a position where we can judge when, where, and how something should meet its end. The conditions of life are beyond our reach no matter how advanced our society becomes and unless we realize that, it will inevitably lead to the destruction of our species.

How many species, other than humans, do you think worry about this type of shit? Maybe they consider death at some points in their lives, but I highly doubt that they would cling to life so tightly that they would destroy anything that could possibly threaten it.

I really can't blame any human for thinking that their life is more precious than that of a member of a "lesser" species. Its not a matter of intelligence or anything like that. It takes a lot to understand the harshest realities of life and death. A lot of people go through life never even scratching the surface, and even though its a detriment to the species, a lot of humans aren't ready to realize the truth. The only thing that helps me deal with the realities I've come to know is duality as it relates to monism. There are always two sides to a coin. Regardless of which side you see, the other side exists, but more importantly, the two exist as a single coin.

Going to work so ill make this short and reply after work. Being intelligent and possessing logic does make us superior; it's why we can get away with what we do to the planet. You are confusing superiority with everything you're trying to circumvent the argument with. Simply put you're wrong if you don't think we are the top species on this planet.

Umm, what is this thread exactly about?
I was quite sure it started with a story of an adventurous battle of a loyal dog and its master against several coyotes... :?


But anyway... would you folks believe that I experienced similar battle?
Me and my little Simba (Kintamani dog of Balinese origin) went on a stroll during the day weeks ago....
When suddenly I was attacked by a rabid dog (a dirty, crazy looking rottweiler)....
To my surprise, Simba help me and pounced the mad dog from the side...
I took my chance and kicked the dog in the snout hard...
It got away, we didn't manage to finish it off...
I got a little scratches and my companion too...
I immediately tend our wounds in local clinic and report the incident to a local dog catcher...

It is less epic than York's but I kinda understand how he feels...

Thats what I thought to but apparently not anymore.


@everyone accept Net_Spectator----- What I was trying to get across is that do we as humans have a right to everything. We can't have humans living everywhere it's gonna throw everything off balance.


@Net-Spectator----- I've heard of that dog breed before very very epic.

Loyal dog companions sure is amazing huh?

At that moment (of the fight with the mad dog), for seconds, I feel like a hero from an action manga or something...

@York: your sig! WTF? Too inspired by the incident are you?

No gizmo posted it on page 1 and I couldn't resist. It was just to cool to pass up something that epic.

You are taking it out of context. You posited the erroneous belief that humans are not the strongest species on the planet, and I responded with a few things that make us many times stronger (as in "when in direct conflict with others") than other species which would prey upon us. Give me a fully automatic weapon or a tank and then tell me I can't put the smackdown on some pathetic little mutt.

And it's not just the weapons, not by a long shot. We've also made medicine to enhance our lifespans (as I've already mentioned) and hundreds of improvements to the quality of our lifestyles. A few thousand years ago we were living in caves. Now look at where we are.

And while we're on the subject of the human condition, what about all our literature, philosophy, and art? Even the shittiest Uwe Boll movie can be called a work of art from a certain standpoint. Do you see wolves sitting around discussing the meaning of life? No, of course not; that's a human thing. That's our trademark.

Creation and Destruction go hand in hand, Jesus.


You obviously haven't heard of the transhumanist movement.


And yet you cling to the singular belief that humans are a virus that must be eliminated for the good of the planet. I don't see much "duality" or whatever in your views, Jesus.

York's story has incite a different kind of debate...
How amusing...

When Fakku says serious dicussion, it means serious discussion.

That's pathetic. That's all I have to say about that.



Medicine and other technologies have extended the quality of life, but again, its just man's pathetic attempt to delay the inevitable. Survival of the fittest is the law that governs this world. Well, that's the case for most living things, but not necessarily humans. While we're at it why don't we get into a debate about the morality of life support systems. That was meant to be slightly sarcastic, I don't want to extend this debate because its going no where as it is. However, life support is another "wonderful" innovation by man. Only humans would think to keep their loved ones alive and suffering with tubes shoved down their throat and all kinds of other shit, because they can't let go. The sick and weak, by the laws of nature, are meant to die. I'm not sugar coating shit because life isn't that way. We've come up with so much shit to extend the lives of the suffering and then everyone stares at them, watching their sad lives drag on and say "Oh, that's so sad. Why doesn't someone do something to make their life more convenient?" Then there's all these bullshit organizations like the Make A Wish Foundation.

Don't get me wrong, I love art, in any form, but what significance does it have to the fulfillment of our natural instincts? Humans enjoy pretty things and things that make them think because they want to find some deeper meaning to life. The reality is that the meaning of life is to die. I'm not being morbid, I'm just saying that when we die we become nourishment for new life and that, the preserving the natural cycle, is all that we're meant to do. If you want to go deeper and find meaning in the life of an individual, you can't find that until you die. How can you ever find the true meaning of something that isn't complete?

The reason why you don't see wolves talking about the meaning of life, other than the fact that they can't speak, is because its not necessary to existence. There is nothing that says we need to know why we are here. On my path, I constantly come back to the same thing, that in searching for the meaning of life you're simply wasting what time you have. Why not actually live a meaningful life? Awareness is a great thing, but thinking so much about what we're here for complicates things.



Actually yes, I am well aware of the transhumanist movement. Despite the way I speak now, I used to be the type of person who would put human life before anything, and I was borderline transhumanist. When I almost died a few years ago I had a spiritual awakening, not that New Age bullshit, and I realized there's a lot more to existence than all this superficial bullshit.



You misunderstand, I never said that humans need to be eliminated. While we possess qualities that are characteristic of parasites and viruses, we are still living things. I'm simply stating that its come to the point where humankind has grown too large for its own good and the good of the world. Its clear that you haven't grasped what I've been saying and although I see the futility in carrying on with this, I'm doing it because it brings out the inner beliefs of everyone that gets involved and I like that. It may be hard to see the dualism or even pluralism in what I've been saying, but that is because I've long since accepted that although there are sides to be taken, its better to see things for what they are as a whole. I haven't fully integrated it, its quite obvious, but I embrace spiritual alchemy. Like you said, which I realize I've said countless times in other topics, creation and destruction go hand in hand.

On a somewhat related note, I want to share this with everyone.

Yea I understand...
Though in this case it was all started differently...
I don't know, maybe it's just me...
But this thread seems off the track...

Why brought nuclear and stuff?
Human race is already an obviously dangerous species without having to explained it with nuclear as the scale...
We wreak havoc on this planet more than we give benefit...
The planet lifespan shortened rapidly practically because of us...
We ARE superiors but we hardly use that superiority to do something useful for the planet we live in...
We, the human race, are a negativity of the Earth...
Imagine this, what will happen if human doesn't exist in this Earth in the first place?
What will happen to Earth with the absence of human?
Earth will survive, maybe even thrive!
See? We're parasites! Some previous posts said it too!
I'd say: let's exterminate the human race! (huh? feels like X clamp...)
Just kidding...
Oh well...
We're all really should stop being a jerk to the Earth and its other inhabitants... else, we're gonna get it too...


@York: BTW, how old is Boston?

Oh sure, "the meaning of life is death" is an awesome realization that everyone should have, isn't it? That way we can confront the absolutely soul-crushing realization that we have no purpose and our lives are completely meaningless and all that wonderful bullshit.

*Coma stops ranting and takes a few deep breaths*

I'm going to break off from this conversation before I start flaming people. Much as I'd like to convince Jesus that he's full of it, I'm in no state of mind ATM to make rational arguments.

@Net_Spectator--- well I got him from the humane society at 1.5years so I'd say around 7-7.5.

@York: Sounds like a experienced strong companion you have...
Mine is rather younger (2,5 years) but brave to the bones heheh...

A Quiet strength but strength none the less.

*This is what the thread was supposed to be about. Talking about your Furry companion and how much your proud of him/her.

i have a black dog when i was young, it was very reliable and docile till things started to went wrong, then it became somewhat rebellious and often run away from home and then come back again just to eat, then one day it just disappeared but surprise surprise, all of a sudden i have my neighbor's
dog gave birth at my home(the one who fucked my neighbor's dog was my dog)

my dog? after that incident it just disappear and never come back again, i'm sure that it was dead already :cry: