Capital Punishment = PUNISHMENT

Soon in my country...
There are some people who will have a one time date with the riffle squad...
Most of them are killers, some killed one, few killed many, fewer killed so many...
Among them also included the Bali bomberparty crasher...
Should the country canceled the date? And give them 20 years or more instead?
How about your country, do they have "arranged deathdates" too?
What's your opinion?

It's a big deal in the states. I assume you're talking about lethal injection right?

In my own opinion. I think there should be limits and what not, but I'm also at the same time pretty cold hearted about the issue too. Our tax dollars go to prisons for scum bags to watch cable tv, eat three meals a day, excercise, and have a bed. Sure it's not the Hilton Hotel, but it's a lot better then many low income families.

I don't think there should be an excuse for murder.
And there's many different kinds of murder.

Like unintentional murder. Like a car accident.
I don't believe that kind of murder should involve lethal injection, in fact the fact they killed a person is enough trauma to someone who didn't intend for it to happen. Then to sit in jail time and think about it is awful.

But when it comes to the people who are sociopaths and just want to reek damage to others... then yea there's some issues. I don't think I should waste my tax dollars on someone who doesn't have enough emotion in themselves because they're fucked up in the head and will do it again so long as they're released. Prison is supposed to be a way to repent for the things you've done, so when you leave you can start your life over again (Doesn't really happen, but that's the goal) If some fuck-tard is not even going to feel sorry for what he did in prison and milk off the cable tv and shit... kill him <.<.... *cough*

Besides, if I was sentenced to life in prison, I'd rather be killed. Seriously.

My Country has been slowly abolishing the Death Penalty. Certain state use it for certain situations. Others like Texas basically do the eye for an eye thing. You kill someone, they kill you.

My personal opinion. I think the Death Penalty should be used for the harshest of crimes. Sitting in a prison, costing the tax payers money just so you can rot until you die. Yeah, that's a great idea. I believe people should act like humans in order to be treated as such. If you do some barbaric murder or are a serial murderer then when you are caught you should be tried and executed. Harsh punishments can serve as a deterrent to crime. If you think plan to kill someone you may think twice when you realize that if your caught. You'll be killed as well. A child molester will think twice before raping that little girl if he knows he'll be killed. He'll also think twice about killing the girl if he knows that a severely painful death awaits.

Harsher Punishments=Less Crime

I think too much emphasis is placed on Human Life, and that the justice system is a hypocrisy.

Murder, in my eyes, is a 20 year crime. Tops.

Guys who sit in jail for underage rape, or something of that sorts often get extremely bad treatment. They end up dieing soon after they get in prison once the inmates find out why he's there.

My brother's in jail. I've never lived with him and he grew up in the wrong area, but he's in jail for dealing heroin. He writes a lot and tells me what it's like in here. He tells me it's not like TV, but you still have to watch your back depending on the crime you commit. Guys in there don't take that kind of thing lightly, because it's cowardly to prey on the weaker. :? Something of the sorts.

So child molesters and such get their just desserts in prison.

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The only problem with what you said that I have is, if some 28 year old killed one of your close family members, I don't think you'd be very happy if he came out walking 20 years later. What if it was your child (in the future) or wife? Would you really want that person walking out with their jacket flung over their shoulder?

Man, your one of those "Rehabilitation" types aren't you?

It just seems like our current system is becoming lax and sympathetic. Punishments are getting weaker and weaker. A convicted child molester in Vermont got 90 days in jail for raping a kid. Seriously, only 90 days? I could understand 90 days if they castrated the son of a bitch girl then let the prisoners give him a weekly beating since child molesters fall at the bottom of the prison Hierarchy they would LOVE to kick his ass. Many prisoners have families and kids so that would really piss them off knowing some fucktard that just came in molested kids for fun.

Wouldn't that makes people less afraid to kill?

What if somebody kill a 20? Would you give them a 20 plus daily needs from your wallet?

Hmmm...

I could go into a long rant about how execution doesn't act as a deterrent because there are very few witnesses and no one learns a thing. However, since I have things to do, I'll just say that the most rational thing to do to criminals who commit any kind of serious offense is subject them to some sort of torture or some other form of extreme, non-lethal, punishment. If the purpose of prison systems is to rehabilitate criminals, locking them in cages and treating them somewhat humanely is ineffective and killing them defeats the whole purpose. If executions were public or carried out in some way that would serve to set an example for others, then I'd say go ahead.

My more logical side says that capital punishment should be outlawed. It's punishment, sure, but who are we to decide what's wrong enough to warrant another human's death? We are but humans ourselves. The only thing separating us from them is that we merely thought about doing it while they went ahead and did it.

If you ask me, a life sentence is much more punishing than a death sentence.

Exactly, death for the most part is NOT a detterant to those that would commit crime. It's really not. The criminal mentality usually prevents them from taking it into consideration. Something such as torture though would, but of course we would never do that.

The only reason I personally support the death penalty is not due to the effect on the criminal, but simply so we don't have to pay for them to live in jail for 50 years. Jail life for a lot of them is far better than what most lower class Americans see, and I don't think locking people away in nice comfy jails and letting them watch TV and work out etc. is the way to punish people for murder.

My idea is public executions. Use a public access channel or whatever. Hell, go Roman and throw the blaggard in a pit and let lions have at him. Crucify him and stick them up on the high ways. (Don't care if it thumbs the eyes of the christians Crucifiying has been used for punishment before he came around) I know criminals are irrational but, one rational thought lingers in every humans mind. Survival. When people can see that they can and will die for those types of crimes. They will stop, the threat of punishment has deterred me several times from curb stomping some specific people I hate whole heartedly.



I believe in order to be considered "human" you have to act like a human. Then again I shackle myself down by using a morale code of honor and believe that you should follow non-religious rules in order to be a good person. While I do that the remainder of society thinks its acceptable to stab people in the back then use the knife to pull themselves up one step on the ladder of society. Then their kicked in the teeth by the person above them. They wait until the moment is ready to slit that persons throat once their bloody business is done they will use the corpse as a step to make another small advance.

Sorry but, if people want to act like beasts then we should treat them as such.

Yes, because a leather jacket is badass.

In seriousness, I wouldn't object one bit. The only human life I value is my own, because it is the only thing I truly own. If some loon decided, and succeeded in killing someone close to me, I'd only blame their, and maybe my own, incompetence.

Though, it is fair to mention that my family and I have some...issues.



People are much, much too afraid to kill as it is. The only people who kill are those who are born, or made, able. Few are born able. Few are made able. Most are too scared to hold a loaded gun/sharp knife, let alone use it properly.



Yes, I am a "Rehabilitation" type, as you put it, but not for the reasons you think.

I just think that quite a few crimes result from flaws in society, and it's not quite fair to judge until the system itself is just.

You know, like when we have a global monarch. Or I'm put in charge. Or something. Bottom line, we need a unified voice and a shades of gray depiction of right and wrong before we are fit to judge others.

As for the 90 day rapist, I agree with that. Raping kids isn't cool, and a 90 day sentence illustrates my complaint about the system.

However, I do think he learned his lesson. As you said, Child molesters are not favored in prison.

But I wonder what gives us that right to create whats wrong and whats right?


I believe murders are wrong, if you kill you should either:

Die (if you killed 1 person)
Spend the rest of your life in a closed up room.
(This is worse then death)

Dieing is easy.
Living isn't.

When you die, you don't feel pain(Dieing is another thing though..). The others around you do. Thats why death is such a significance.

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In the end...I can't judge. Nothing says that in a couple years I won't go crazy. Here I am deciding what might happen to me. So I wonder what gives anyone else the right. Is it because you have standards? We all have standards. Is it because you work in that area? Well anyone who tries hard enough can probably do it.

So the real question is.....

If you murdered someone, how would you punish yourself?

That Child rapist asshole? He got out and want back to living in his old community. He's free, no ankle monitors, nothing. Just reported as a sex offender. Woo..(Note sarcasm)

I agree that certain flaws in our society do give rise to criminals but, petty crimes like car jacking, theft, robbery are just the incompetence of the criminal to fit into society. I am full of flaws and I have somehow been able to "fit" in with society. Sure I'm on the fringes of it but, I'm still there.

Flaws in our society don't teach people to molest children, they don't tell people to kill another person for whatever reason. There are so many times where that inner voice will tell you to stop. If someone pisses you off you want to kick their ass but you don't because its not right. Our system of judgment will never be perfect its made up of humans and we ourselves are flawed. Imperfect beings can't make perfect things.

Which is why I said "Shades of Gray".

The problem with our system isn't the rules, themselves, though they have their flaws, but that fact that we incorporate morality into things that should involve only cold facts.

And, once morality and opinions enter the fray, perception can be twisted, fast.



I would not, because I would not kill without a good reason.

But I would kill. Without blinking.

You are beginning to sound like me. Stop that! Honestly, I could kill a human being but, I would prefer to use a bladed weapon so I could feel the weight of their life in my hands. Just a code I have for myself. If I ever have to kill another person I would use a bladed weapon so I could understand how much a life really weighs so I could completely comprehend what I had done. Though I could still kill without a second thought but, like Arizth I would need a Damn good reason.

I prefer a gun.

A life is a life, with any weapon, and it's only as heavy as you imagine it to be.

I was going to post exactly the same thing. Thanks for saving me the trouble. I believe life is the most precious thing a human can have. Criminal or not, no one deserves to die by the hands of others.

But also a waste of our tax dollars. So technically we're being paying to punish people that I'd rather see dead.

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In all seriousness. If the punishment was that extreme people would think twice about doing something.
And most of the time people come out of prison not learning a god damn thing except what cable tv is like and wind up back in there.

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Think about it, the rule will make people value other peoples lives more. Oh shit if I kill them then I'm dead too. :roll:

Or, they would think like I would:

"Oh, shit. If I kill them, I better brush prints, wear two pairs of socks and some old sneakers, immediately dispose of my clothing and weapon, clean the blood, and hide the body somewhere it won't be found while I go for a nice, relaxing, week long vacation two states over"

It's like piracy. The tougher the laws get, the cleverer the pirates/hitmen get.