Child Molester and Pedophiles

Last off-topic question. What hentai/manga is that?
A cat is fine too?

I don't get how back like 200 years ago people used to marry girls that were like 12 to 16 and now its become totally wrong. In Romeo and Juliet, Juliet was like 14.

I really think they make way to big of a deal about the age thing. I've known people marry people twice their age but it is wrong for a 20 year old to like a 16 year old. As long as nobody is raping anybody I don't see the problem with people of different ages going out. They may say stuff like a teenagers mind is not fully developed yet but I bet most people are going to be just as stupid then as they are when they are an adult.

Actually I take that back after it's under 16 it's a little weird.

Well the thing is that what if the older/senior is taking advantage of the junior/younger person? There are many variables again to this, but if both parties are mentally mature and both consent, I technically would accept the relationship.

I second this question. What manga is that...and where can I get it?

I believe its full title is "That's why I assault ren." And here's the link http://rapidshare.com/files/37087497/That_s_why_I_assault_Ren.zip

As for my opinion I think pedophiles should be left alone. Talking to them about it may just act as an insult rather than a cure because it's hard to understand how they feel.

Oh so it truly was the "A cat is fine too doujin". Thanks!

Just a quick question.

Would you condemn a person as a child molester, if he/she had consensual sex with a child?

Consensual sex with a child may seem far-fetched, but I don't think it is impossible. By the age of 14-15, I believe some children already knew what sex was. If one was to have sex with them then, would you condemn then?

Yes it is definitely against the law, but actually what is the problem in question?

This may be a little off-topic, but I know something that happened and is somewhat like this topic:

A guy's stepdaughter had friends over one night. He was in his room doing whatever, and one of her friends wanders in and talks to him while putting the moves on him (she fucking admitted this.) He eventually gives in to her seducing him, they do it, and then he gets arrested and she gets in no trouble whatsoever.

Yes - The guy boned a 16 year old and shouldn't have given in, but -

The girl is 16 and knew goddamn well what she was doing and consenting to. Yet because she's 16, she'll get in no trouble and can tell people that he forced it. "Innocent, defenseless child" my ass.

I'm not supporting sex with children or anything of the kind, I'm just saying that it's not always "horny old man jumps on teen girl."

(This better not show up 3 times. Goddamn slow Fakku.)

Reminds me of the issue of recanting. I think I told you the story before, but I knew a friend in high school who was having sex with his sixteen year old girlfriend. Everything was hunky-dory, AoC is sixteen in Indiana so they had no problems there, but one day they got into a fight and she got him in trouble by telling her parents that he raped her. Whether she knew it was going to go that far or not, her parents took the issue to the court and she went along with it and said that he raped her, even though anyone who was friends either of the two knew it was consensual. He ended up in jail too. I hate that. That is a huge issue in U.S. courts. The woman is always right, it's bullshit. I know it has it's purpose in theory, but some women actually do abuse it.

They do, and it's annoying as hell. I don't see why, honestly - What happened to "equal rights for females" or whatever the fuck they wanted? How is THAT equal? Well, it works in THEIR favor, so who cares, right?

(I'm not sexist. That's how it is and you fucking know it.)

Oh yea. Women abuse men in a different way than a man would abuse a woman.
Either way it's inexcusable.

Women tend to manipulate to abuse, men tend to either use emotional abuse by verbal assault, or flat out physical abuse.

I can name all sorts of things that women could do to a guy that could ruin his life.

Pedophiles aren't necessarily child molesters, no, but I still would never let my kids get too close to a pedophile.

The problem is that the children aren't of legal age to give consent for sex. Its like asking a child to co-sign a credit card document/contract (Minus the mental scars as a result). So saying having sex with a child is consentual because the kid says it's okay is a contradiction.

A little note on that matter:
In some countries you are allowed to sign your own contracts, go into debts etc with the banks at 16.
As for the "I don't know what sex is" or "I don't know what it leads to" issue: In the Scandinavian countries aswell as in Germany there is a relatively large sex ed topic in school when you hit 12 years and it repeats and you get to know more stuff when you hit 15 - 16 which is the legal age in those countries.

Anyways as for the pedophile vs child molester arguement. Helping people to get away from something is always a problem. I won't say anything regarding the punishment system in the states when it comes to the "sex offender" crime etc, as I am not too familiar with it, however I am not too sure that things like that can be cured. The reasons for that are in my opinion that:
A) There is no physical component. Meaning: it isn't like taking away a drug from someone, giving out replacements and slowly curing it.
B) It is not really a "mental illness". Of course from our point of view it is something abnormal, but a mental illness, psychological illness / disease or however you want to put it, is something that is a phenomen when someone is unable to understand, comprehend or utilize their mind to. However a pedophile (given that he isn't a child molester and knows the boundries), will be aware of the fact, that his love is not "normal", rather it is a problem of "distortet love" and getting rid of love, habbits and the like is something that either takes extremely long and is persistant, or is often impossible for people.

There is a good movie about this issue.

See "The Woodsman".

Wow. This really opened my eyes about this sort of situation. Like you said, a child molester is basically a child rapist. And a pedophile is just a person who likes kids.

Either way i dont necessarily think its wrong to be a pedophile. Because, theoretically, a lot of people are "pedophiles."

For example, the legal age is 18, and there are numerous websites devoted to "teen girls" and young women often no older than their early 20's. But, if the legal age for sexual activity was 16, then im sure that there would be many websites devoted to 16 y.o. girls. You see, we're all just products of our environment. We go along with what society says is "O.K." because we dont want to be labeled a freak.

just to clear it up though, im not a pedophile, im just playing devils advocate.

Thanks a lot for posting this question, you really got me thinking =)

If you want to use the oldest definition of pedophile. It would be anybody who loves children and by love, I mean enjoys being around them, thinks children are the best thing in the world,etc. So technically, by the oldest definition teachers of younger children are pedophiles.

The definition has changed legally so a child molester=pedophile are legally interchangeable terms. Though, I don't see the point in trying to "reclaim" the label of pedophile as the stigma connected with it is like shouting "Ostracize me from society!". To some of the extremist out there it puts a bulls eye on your forehead for violence against you or your loved ones.

The hell?! Being pedo isn't wrong? A pedo is a scum and needed to be hunted down and skin alive. They prey on kids for their own sick fetishes, doesn't matter if its sexually or just the urges to be with or play with kids. Even if not sexually do you really think it won't lead to something really bad, like killing them and turn them into some kind of a collectors item? They are sick on the head and the only cure is blowing their brains out with a shotgun.

Wow, someone needs to calm down and read the rest of the thread a little more. You're the exact kind of person that is the reasoning behind threads like these - You automatically assume things from other things. Yes, pedo sometimes means molester.

You don't KNOW things will lead anywhere if someone just LIKES children. You don't KNOW that, you just assume because of what the news and society has told you to believe and think. If anyone needs a little work with a shotgun, it's whoever decided to drive shit like this into the world's heads.

Before you even start bitching - I am not a pedophile, I don't support molesters, or anything like that, so don't try putting that in your defense. I used to think that Pedo = Molester, but this thread made me see that there's a fine line between the terms.

Of course being a pedophile isn't wrong. A person who is a pedophile isn't necessarily a child molester. A person is free to find children sexually attractive all they want, as long as they don't act out their fantasies. It isn't a crime to think about something morally questionable, thankfully, or we'd all be in prison by now.

And don't be so quick to condemn child molesters. You and I don't understand the psychology behind child pedophilia. You can't just permanently hush the population, no matter what the crime may be. Heaven forbid we try to understand child molesters trains of thought, and help them conform to a more acceptable form of society rather than just let them waste away in jail for the rest of their lives, or worse if you had your twisted sense of justice implemented.