discordia wrote...
it is impossible to avoid the responsibility for your actions. one way or another it will come back at you.
as for justifying myself...where did you get that idea? what actions do you think i should be justifying?
justice was born from revenge. in one of the oldest legal systems (old testament) thats exactly what justice was, an eye for an eye, that is just. even nowadays murderers get murdered or anyone that does someone harm is done harm to (i for one consider the taking of ones liberty one of the greatest harms). that is revenge. if not, wheres the difference to revenge?
is it maybe that the person to press the button or make the decision was not directly involved and doesnt have a personal grudge against the accused?
if we were to look for the reason of justice so it would be to deter people from committing crime, right? well, back in the old days it was the fear of revenge that kept them from doing so. i dont see that much of a difference, sure now we are more civilized, more cold so to speak but does it really make that much of a difference?
to kill someone because he killed someone is futile...and yet common practice, even in the so called bastion of democracy and liberty and whatnot.
you missed a detail btw, this phrase usually implicates that there is no absolute truth, that doesnt mean that there arent subjective truths. again, there are different levels of statements.
its not exactly fear of the law, its a long story of social conditioning. you should observe young toddlers and how they are taught what is right and what is wrong. they start behaving only due to conditioning, usually emotional neglect. this conditioning goes on through all your life and even made its way into forums.
morality, justice, all these things are but results of social conditioning and the most basic form of conditioning operates through fear.
its simple really, all you have to do is have your pupils associate their "misbehaviour" with some sort of punishment and the misbehaviour will cease due to fear of punishment. sure this fear cannot be compared to the fear you would feel if you find yourself in a lion cage, its more of a conscience shift that you start considering everything that is encouraged to be good and everything you d get punished for to be bad. most people undergoing this tend to start to enforce it themselves...
probably the most famous example is that boys dont cry. at least not after social conditionings through with them (although i hear there is a bit of paradigm shift in these matters)
btw
if everyone is entitled to the basic things of life i would cease all productive activity and retire myself to eating, sleeping and hanging out with friends.
Nope, I'd say that you misunderstand the idea of justice, it is a concept based on what is morally right. What you are thinking of is punishment. Justice and revenge are two very different things. I completely disagree with your idea of "an eye for an eye", that does not serve justice, you may say it is practiced around the world, well what I say to that is that justice is not.
It is not impossible to avoid responsibility for your actions, people do it every day, there is no "balancing force" beyond human will. It is up to humans to bring the unjust into disrepute. To take away their ill gotten gains. I suppose you've either got to see something unjust, and say "that's wrong, I won't allow this to continue", or you can say: "Damn, I wish I had thought of that, then I could be exploiting people". Judging from what you've said so far, I'd say you're the latter.
I'm not American, nor do I think that America is the bastion of democracy and liberty that it claims to be.
I have spoken on social conditioning before, but it can work in a different way. You are only thinking about the negative side of it; If you don't do something, or do something wrong then you are punished. Whereas I would employ that as: if you do the right thing then you are rewarded.
As for what actions you should be justifying, I would say murder and rape, as you don't seem to see anything wrong with them - you mentioned that you wouldn't commit either due to either fear of the law, or that you would not enjoy it. Not because they would be harmful to another person.
Okay, well you'd be welcome to do that in my society, as long as no-one came to harm as a result of it. Bear in mind that it would not be the most pleasant existence, nor would it be the most fulfilling. Don't you think you have something to offer to society? Do you have any talents? We are talking about a subsistence level existence here, when you could have so much more if you just applied yourself to something.