Communism
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My main problem with communism is that it puts 1 or a few people in charge of a vast society of "equals." A government that isnt equal to the citizens breeds corruption. When your the only man with EVERYTHING, the power will go to your head. But, you cant create a government that is equal to the people, because then anyone who wants to can take power.
So communism actually IS NOT perfect on paper, because with human greed taken into account, it shall never succeed.
So communism actually IS NOT perfect on paper, because with human greed taken into account, it shall never succeed.
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Okay, I think that every single person has posted "great in theory" or "great on paper" but that it doesn't work in real life.
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neko-chan wrote...
Okay, I think that every single person has posted "great in theory" or "great on paper" but that it doesn't work in real life.Captain Badass wrote...
So communism actually IS NOT perfect on paper, because with human greed taken into account, it shall never succeed.Ur wrong.
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Communism shouldn't be compared to democracy at all since it is considered totalitarian.
Basically...
True Democracy=people vote directly on subjects
Communism=Government keeps everything economically and socially equal(if not low)
True Democracy is extreme enough imo.
but getting back to it. I think if the population was minute, talking like at probably 100 or 200 top in a society, then communism would work. The present day examples of working communism are those extremely remote and isolated pacific island. I wish i could be more specific but I am sure that they fundamentally live in a communist way (though not like they really know the term communism).
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Socialist governments, though different from communism, have some similarities. And,it seems that socialism, like communism, works better when there is a smaller population . In socialist countries such as Canada and smaller european countries, are able to thrive since they have a low population. The government can afford social welfare and stabilize the country with it. Huge countries like the U.S which hits over 350 million, compared to Canada's 30-40 million, cannot support socialism to the extent that Canada has.
^^just drawing links between socialism and communism, you can avoid the edit
second edit: I jumped into this conversation without reading the other posts so I apologize ahead if I repeated anything that anyone else said before me.
Basically...
True Democracy=people vote directly on subjects
Communism=Government keeps everything economically and socially equal(if not low)
True Democracy is extreme enough imo.
but getting back to it. I think if the population was minute, talking like at probably 100 or 200 top in a society, then communism would work. The present day examples of working communism are those extremely remote and isolated pacific island. I wish i could be more specific but I am sure that they fundamentally live in a communist way (though not like they really know the term communism).
Edit:
Socialist governments, though different from communism, have some similarities. And,it seems that socialism, like communism, works better when there is a smaller population . In socialist countries such as Canada and smaller european countries, are able to thrive since they have a low population. The government can afford social welfare and stabilize the country with it. Huge countries like the U.S which hits over 350 million, compared to Canada's 30-40 million, cannot support socialism to the extent that Canada has.
^^just drawing links between socialism and communism, you can avoid the edit
second edit: I jumped into this conversation without reading the other posts so I apologize ahead if I repeated anything that anyone else said before me.
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Pure Communism concerns me in a few ways:
1) Compensation. Some jobs require years of learning and training in order for max efficiency. Just take a doctor, for instance. He or she has to spend years learning about the body, equipment, scientific advancements, and procedures before being certified for practice. How do you compensate them for all their hard work in a system that rewards everyone equally or only gives them enough to function? Are they simply expected to work this hard, say, harder than someone who does clerical work, like office administration, fax, file, copy, answer phones, etc.?
2) Assignment. In any event that there is no compensation for more demanding types of labor, who the hell would take on such back-breaking work? How will work be distributed? Will specialization exist in a complete working class, and how will efficiency be monitored?
3) Enforcement. Gatheringsin already brought this up. In ideal communism, there is no need for enforcement - but in any event someone does do something wrong, how are they punished? By the whole 'State'? Even in in a version of primitive communism, which references Native American tribes, there might not be a completely authoritarian rule, but many tribes have chiefs or people who decide the rules, ethics, and moral code. Law does not work in an ideal model of communism; law already undermines the natural disposition of communists to do what is best for everyone. Without law and without enforcers, there are no punishments for deviants.
4) The Greater Good. Communism doesn't necessarily define what the 'greater good' actually is. It has conditions for the greater good: absence of authoritarian rule, equality, work and function with only enough pay to survive, no private property. To this end, these conditions produce slaves with no masters.
1) Compensation. Some jobs require years of learning and training in order for max efficiency. Just take a doctor, for instance. He or she has to spend years learning about the body, equipment, scientific advancements, and procedures before being certified for practice. How do you compensate them for all their hard work in a system that rewards everyone equally or only gives them enough to function? Are they simply expected to work this hard, say, harder than someone who does clerical work, like office administration, fax, file, copy, answer phones, etc.?
2) Assignment. In any event that there is no compensation for more demanding types of labor, who the hell would take on such back-breaking work? How will work be distributed? Will specialization exist in a complete working class, and how will efficiency be monitored?
3) Enforcement. Gatheringsin already brought this up. In ideal communism, there is no need for enforcement - but in any event someone does do something wrong, how are they punished? By the whole 'State'? Even in in a version of primitive communism, which references Native American tribes, there might not be a completely authoritarian rule, but many tribes have chiefs or people who decide the rules, ethics, and moral code. Law does not work in an ideal model of communism; law already undermines the natural disposition of communists to do what is best for everyone. Without law and without enforcers, there are no punishments for deviants.
4) The Greater Good. Communism doesn't necessarily define what the 'greater good' actually is. It has conditions for the greater good: absence of authoritarian rule, equality, work and function with only enough pay to survive, no private property. To this end, these conditions produce slaves with no masters.