Drugs and Alcohol

I checked through the SD forum and actually couldn't find a topic about this, so I decided to make one of my own.

My question to you, ladies and gentlemen's are: what do you think about drugs, alcohol, tobacco, snus and other related... gah, can't remember the word, related stuff? What do you think should be legal, illegal, at what ages, and where?

Personaly I smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol, have smoked some weed, and don't feel to bad about it. Am neither a heavy drinker or smoker in general, but I still do it from time to time.

Anyway, what do the people here at FAKKU think?



Oh, and if there already is a thread about this that I didn't see, just let this drop or something and don't flam me about it.

On the subject of Weed, i feel it should be legal. I would put the age at 16, although its more likely the age would be set to 18 if it were to actually become legal. THis is because it has not been proven to cause serious harm to the body the way cigarettes have(truly i cannot understand the appeal of cigarettes). I mean,there have been no cases of weed overdoes, and it hasn't been connected to shit like cancer. I just can't understand how cigarettes can be legal while weed can't.

While i'm fine with alcoholic drinks, i wouldn't drink just for the sake of having alcohol in my body. I think the drinking age should be lowered to 18, and emphasis placed more on preventing drunk driving. On campuses, i think it would be best if the school offered free rides to those too drunk to drive. This is because with drunk driving you are putting innocent people in danger. If you drink but don't drive, you are not putting anyone else at risk of bodily harm.

Ohhoho, where to begin.

First off, I don't like the idea of Alcohol. To me it causes more problems than it's worth and definitely causes many more deaths than pot does. IMO, drunk driving punishments need to be sweepingly punitive; i.e, revocation of one;s driver's license on the first offence, a heavy fine, and jail time. I do agree with the lowering of the drinking age thing though. In Gemrany you can drink at 16 and look at the state they're in.

And regarding Marijuana I've already stated that it causes less damage and death than alcohol and that aside it has so many fewer carcinogens than regular tobacco. Though it still alters one's judgment and reaction speed so it should be considered a DUI/DWH (driving while high).

And for all the other stuff, how 'bout we keep everything but Foxy illegal, and have Foxy refined, regulated, and sold in sex shops.

Anything that can permanently damage or kill your body should be illegal... which is most likely everything... The people who sell these just want money, not caring about whether or not something bad happens to the consumer... Even if it was the consumer's choice to obtain this or that, do you really want to give something that will harm them, to them?

Well, I don't really know much about the medical effects of weed, so I can't say much about it. I have not a good relationship with many drugs, since I have friends who's been like "hey, if i feel it gets out of hand, I can quit any day" and when it got out of hand, they had to loose most of their friends to realize they couldn't get out of it.

About cigarettes, any idiot should be able to understand it's not good for your body, and you can't really blame anyone but yourself for doing it, but I must say that I love waking up and take a smoke with my cup of coffee. If I get cancer or something like it, I'll just have to tell myself that it was worth it. Though I probably only can say that cause I've never experienced what it is to have cancer.

I drink both cause I think some drinks taste good, and for funsies, and yea, call me a faggot and a child, but really, it's fun to be drunk, really. Drunk driving is ofc a stupid thing which you never should do.
And well, since where I live, the drinking age is 18, so I can't complain about it.

My main opinion is: show restraint and enjoy it.

I don't want to be mean to any of your or so, but i really dislike people who use drugs or smoke and well also a bit of those who drink. I will be absolutist, won't be drinkin' any at all.

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Well i leave that as this is; Sorry to anyone if someone got angry or bothered of this or anything; i'm still friendly guy ^__^

I think drugs and cigarettes should all be illegal.
Weed doesn't have any of the harmful effects of cigarettes, except one: It addicts.
Cigarettes would quite likely be illegal, but it has already spread too wide.
I seriously don't know why i think like this (maybe my upbringin?), but i feel alcohol's still ok.

I agree with you at some parts, I mean, being 'gangsta' and acting up cause you smoke is something stupid people do. I try as much as possible not to bother people around me when I smoke, like if I'm sitting on a bench at the bus stopp and someone comes near and wait, I usually gets up and moves away a bit (if they're not smoking aswell). And if you're friends left you cause you didn't wanna smoke and drink, they weren't very good friends.



=P This feels more disturbing than people who smoke. No offence xD



Smoking doesn't mean you're a scumbag, no reason to be unfriendly just because you like to inhale smoke and poison. And if your friends Force you to do drugs... as said earlier, they aren't good friends.

I hope you don't want to headhunt me with your katana now, since even if i'm a douche, I really try not to bother people around me and be polite. =)

Just to add something; Im from Finland and in few years there has been a change that females/girls (school age/underage) smoke a lot more than boys (was it soemthing like 60-70% of girls and ~30% boys). Was kinda interesting turn, but not interested of getting AIDS 'n stuff from those girls (doesn't mean they get them immediatly from smoking, i know) ^^"

And to add, when we had in school a season when to get a job for 2 months (you don't earn money; just for experience in working) i had few school friends with me they were smokers ofc, but i do like them cause they were friendly, thou smoking.

I just don't know how to exactly describe it, but i just dislike all that stuff a lot and feel it should all be illegal, but meh; mb somekind of freedom is fine for those people who use 'em.

And you know this how? Seriously, i have never heard of someone being addicted to weed(or at the very least not anywhere near the rates of other drugs like cigarettes)

I only drink alcohol once in a while but never more then 2 beers or 1 whiskey-cola.

as for drug. I stay away from them at all cost. I don't care what others say I stay away from it and never thouch it. I saw enough of my friend going in a deep depression because of it.

plain cigarettes: I don't care really. I don't smoke but I'm not going to tell anyone to stop smoking around me. Though I might ask them to switch locations because the smoke is hindering me.

It all depends on where you want to draw a line. You can pretty much get addicted to everything, however it all depends on where you say that it is "poisonous" and where you say that it is still "within the limits of morality" as in poisonous, but only to a minor degree etc.
Now let's have a look. Alcohol and tabacco are sold at supermarkets / gas stations etc in most countries (except the states) that I know. The degree in which it is being controlled if the customer is within the age limit is ridiculously low, but alas, at least it is there.
As I am not an addict to any common drug (except maybe coffee, I have to admit that), I wouldn't mind it if e.g. weed would be sold at a pharmacy, as long as you need to present your health insurance card or something similar, where it is tracable how much you bought already.
Other than weed I think most other stuff should be kept contrabant / illegal as it is.
Bottom line: I don't really care, as I don't need either alcohol or cigarettes / other drugs etc, as long as I get my 1-2 cans of coffee / day.

I've heard several potheads state that weed is addictive, though it's more psychological than physical. I figure they would know better than everyone else.

I don't feel like discussing the governmental or legal aspects of drugs right now, maybe later, so I'll deal with how I feel about drugs personally:

They're not worthless, but they're worth less than most things out there. That includes alcohol, weed, cigarettes, pretty much any drug that isn't caffeine or ibuprofen, that sort of thing.

Throughout the years, I have known a lot of people who drink and/or smoke in order to relax, and that's really a waste. I have nothing against drinking or smoking (pot, I mean), but I think there's a problem if you need one or the other, especially both, in order to relax or be happy. For example, most of the people I've known in my life equate drinking with having fun and partying. That's just . . . shit, if you can't enjoy the company of your friends without booze, then you probably shouldn't be friends. And if you need to get drunk to relax, you need to fix whatever problems you have in your life that stress you out so much. I mean, I get stressed out, but I don't need to party till I puke every Saturday night to unwind.

In my ideal world, people would never do drugs. But not because they're illegal or not available; they wouldn't use them because they wouldn't feel the need to do so.

The thing about marijuana is that, like so many things in life, the way you use it has a lot to do with it's effects. It's true that THC itself has a relatively very low rate of addiction, and is, itself, not extremely dangerous to the human body. But then again, nicotine itself is not extremely dangerous. And while, in most cases, when you smoke weed, all you are smoking is the plant, rather than the mix of things in cigarettes, if you smoke with anything but a vaporizer, you are harming your body. When you burn something, it produces tar in the smoke, and when you inhale the smoke, you inhale the tar. This is, however, the only major health risk in the smoking itself. Although, it remains that THC is a mind-altering drug, and it effects everyone differently. I do feel like it should be legal, especially for medicinal use (which I wont go into now because this is already fast becoming a wall of text), but there should be laws and regulation similar to the laws and regulations to alcohol.

As for people being addicted to weed, while there is not a large risk of chemical dependency, there is a very large risk of phsycological addiction, which should not be underestimated. The biggest problem most people have quiting cigarettes is the phsycological addiction, the chemical dependency actually goes away pretty quickly.

Tobacco is a pretty tricky subject. Tobacco itself is not necessarily a dangerous substance. Take, for example, snus. It contains next to no carcinogens, and has been shown to have almost no negative effects to the health of it's users. This mostly because of the way it is treated, and the fact that very little is added to the tobacco. The danger of tobacco comes out in how it is prepared and used. So I wouldn't tell you that cigarettes are not bad for you, but I would tell you that how bad they are for you depends on many things; this is why it is do difficult to accurately gauge the effects they will have on your health. And while cigarettes are, undoubtedly, dangerous to the health of the smoker, they are much less dangerous those around them than most people seem to believe. The dangerous of second-hand smoke vary as well, but in general, it is hardly dangerous at all to anyone but infants and people who already have respiratory disease.
There are many reasons they are still legal, but really, they should be legal, as much as it is legal to consume anything else that damages your own body.



Many places already have such strict punishments for DUIs. I don't believe that even the death penalty for DUIs would be absolutely effective, but these stricter punishments do help, because it's so much to risk. But there will always be dumb people who will find a way to fuck up everything for the rest of us. Again, the dangers of alcohol are in the way you use it and what you do while using it. In fact, there is evidence to suggest that moderate drinking is actually good for you. And even if drink ridiculous amounts every day, as long as you stay inside your own goddamn house, it's really not negatively effecting society. The real problem is people who like to get drunk and go act like jackasses. But that shouldn't mean that just because of those assholes, no one should ever be able to drink.

Basically, in all things, moderation, and you'll probably be ok. If you don't want to do it, not a problem, don't do it. And if your friends are trying to force you, they probably aren't your friends. I smoke, but I don't encourage any of my non-smoking friends to smoke, I drink, but I don't encourage my teetotaler friends to drink. Most people can handle the responsibilty of these privileges.

Er...sorry about all that...text.

Both are sold in grocery stores and gas stations in the states. It is common to be next to a guy or several buying a case or cases of beer.



Under that logic we would have to ban.

1. Fast food for being unhealthy and increasing the obesity rates in America.
2. Junk food for yet another increase in obesity not to mention the high levels of sodium in some products like Soda which causes other health problems such as high blood pressure.
3. Processed foods as high amounts of the preservatives can also be unhealthy leading to gout and various other problems.

This is a bad view point in my opinion as it says "I'm not responsible enough to understand what I am putting in my body."

As for the topic

Drugs: I am in favor of their legality in principal. I believe that nobody should tell you what you can/can't do to or put in your own body so long as you only affect yourself by your decisions. I realize that a man who succumbs to addiction ends up hurting not only himself but, his family, friends,etc.

-Harder Drugs (Coke,Meth) For it on principal but, against it in reality as these drugs are nearly impossible to kick and trash you the rest of your life (if you survive the addiction).
- Softer drugs (acid, X). I'm not familiar with these drugs as all people I knew who did it were either annoying or already out of their fucking minds. So like the harder stuff I'm against it.

-Weed: I am all for 100% I think it should be treated like a mixture of cigarettes and alcohol. You have to be either 18/21 to buy it. You get a D.U.I for driving while high. You have to have pay taxes on the purchase of them just like cigarettes. Just sell them in the store which will have to purchase a license in order to sell the product just like booze. Growers would be places under STRICT regulations the same way cigarette manufactures are under regulations.

Cigarettes: I say keep'em but, make sure the public is aware of the dangers of the cigarettes themselves. Keep charging a tax on them as most states tend to draw a large portion of their tax revenue from cigarette sales tax.

Alcohol: I enjoy a drink every now and then but, it's mostly a beer with a meal when I go out with friends. I however can not understand wanting to get drunk. The concept of losing control of your own actions seems asinine to me.

Core thought: Nobody should tell you what you can/can't do with your own body. It is YOUR body after all.

I must say that someone who doesn't understand that cigarettes aren't good for you is and idiot, since the cigarette pack usually says "Smoking Kills" or "Smoking causes lungcancer" etc. Guess some people wont get it if it doesn't say "smoking causes your penis to fall of into another dimension where it will be eaten by dogs".

It is all a question of restraint and moderation. I personaly like the feeling of being drunk. If you have totally lost control of your actions, then you are Too drunk.

I'm mostly directing this towards younger (high school and down) people. Once a person is an adult then they can do whatever they want to their body. Basically, keep things like "truth" active. Despite how stupid it sounds, we have ever right to be an informed public.

I do agree that anybody who doesn't know at this point that cigarettes are bad for you is an idiot.

I smoke herb and grow it. Should be legal. I do DMT when I has the money. I smoke tobacco, shits go. I know it kills me but I really do not care. Legalize!

I love practicing guitar or doing college work with a convenient joint laying around. It's very relaxing, puts me in that "concentrate" mood rather than the "bitchy whiney" mood.

Agreed, I can't say it makes me more creative. But I can let go and flow when I'm blew out. Otherwise I think everything I write is stupid, and yes I still like it when I sober up. XD