Drugs are illegal, but NOT a sin!

Just a statement I'd like to get people's opinions about:

"Drugs are illegal, but NOT a sin!"

I honestly believe that to be true.

A recent disagreement with others Jews really made me think. Because we differed in our opinions about the drug war, they believed me not to really be a Jew. Personally, I found that truly offensive, and it really pissed me off!

Since when have drugs been a sin?

Since I'm speaking in the context of a Jeiwsh argument, let's look at Judaism for example:

We Jews believe that people do not own their bodies, but rather that they are property of god. Thus' we must not do harm, mutilate, destroy, or take risks with our bodies.

So where is the Jewish law against Marijuana usage? Do my fellow Jews honestly believe that by smoking Marijuana, we are taking dangerous risks with our body?

Where exactly is the general prohibition I am not seeing here? Because I thought everything is fine as long as it does not interfere in our ritual duties or cause definite harm?

Why is it dangerous pain-killers are fine, but recreational drugs are not!? Last I checked, isn't there KOSHER marijuana!? So why the fuck is it a sin if it's KOSHER!?

Aren't people confusing the religion with the state?

Recreational drugs, at least in Judaism, is NOT a sin!

What the fuck happened to religion and society's attitude on drugs? How exactly are they a sin, or immoral? They are against the law, but why do they believe it makes us a bad person?

What do you think?

This is my argument whenever someone says that drugs such ass weed is a sin to use. Religious people fail to recognize that God didn't make illegal what we decide to be illegal. I use this same arguments with cussing.

The way that I see things it springs from recreational drugs causing religions/states to lose a level of control over those that they affect. Obviously they don't like losing this control to they attempt to outlaw by means of making them taboo or immoral.

Cussing is dependent on the cuss.

"Goddamit" is a taking God's name in vain. "Fuck", however, is perfectly fine.

As for the topic, I found this:
http://www.synagoguechm.com/drashot/beresheet_ismarijuanakosher.pdf

For those too lazy to read, the argumement FOR marijuana is that there is a passage that says every plant is ok to eat, while the argument AGAINST marijuana says that the passage was obviously not meant for things that are poisonous.

I agree with you that using drugs isn't a sin.

From my point of view, its a choice. A bad one certainly on some occasions, but a choice notheless.

But some people think it is a sin: Bible tells of drugs

Well, in Qur'an, anything that will harm one's body is not allowed.
And, the next step is how people interpret it. Example: Water can also harm you if you are not using it right, so does that mean water is not allowed to be consumed?

I mean, every thing in this world can harm us physically or mentally, what matters the most is how you use it and the purpose of the usage. I mean, marijuana sure is a type of drugs, but, apparently it also can be used for medical reasons.

My point is, anything can become so called SIN, what matter is the intention and the way people use that shit.

Well for one why the hell do Jews chop of their foreskins if they are against mutilation, surely that is mutilation.
Same goes for general surgery, that could be counted as a mutilation.

Now to quote Gandhi "Every formula of every religion has in this age of reason, to submit to the acid test of reason and universal assent."

Maybe it is time to re-evaluate your devotion to your religion, i am not saying to become an atheist but just to see what you want to believe in. If you don't believe drugs are a sin, then to you they are not. (^_^)

Okay, I am no expert, but there are arguments for it being no risk and causing no real harm to yourself, naturally excess would be a sin however.

There are Laws that govern called Mishnah, and one of the six orders is Tehorot or purity. Naturally you will run into difficulty there, But not likely, since there is no ban on smoking, and Alcohol isn't against the rules. As for being poisonous to the human body, Wine can kill, Pot cannot.

There is also Honor thy Mother and Father. So basically if they rule that Pot is unclean, then to go against would be a sin.

Pot, when it is illegal, puts people at risk. People kill each other over drugs, Pot being one of them. All the trouble down in Mexico for instance is partly due to the money from drugs, pot being included.

I do not know about the Torah's take on government laws, but the Bible has such, making disobeying the law a sin. However there is such things as unjust laws.
Romans 13:1-2
1 Let every soul be a subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists b the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will 1 bring judgment on themselves.

Please don't take this as preaching, I am not a Christian, I was only trying to answer the question. I'm an Agnostic Theist, so I'm not religious, but I believe sin is something to be concerned about. My personal view is, grow your own and you don't hurt anyone, buy it and you might be supporting people having their heads being cut off in Mexico. Knowingly indirectly hurting others might be considered a sin. Its like eating tuna that isn't labeled dolphin safe.

I find this somewhat condescending. Alcohol is legal, yet it does do more harm to the human body than pot, so it should be considered a sin. I know in some religions, alcohol is considered a sin, and does not permit consumption, yet people of that very religion drink it. I'm not sure if Jews drink it or not(I think they don't), but if it's against their beliefs, I'm sure they don't.

On that note, if anything is harmful to the body should not be consumed, then shouldn't cows milk be illegal, considering the high amounts of cholesterol it has?

Pretty much with the government, the people who make and pass the laws are a little biased(They are human after all), and even if it is for the greater good, they'll only allow what is most convenient to them and the peoples way of life. The reason why pot has remained illegal for so long was because no one saw a reason to legalize it. It's like with alcohol, quite the majority of the population in fact are for alcohol, so it wouldn't exactly be ideal to have it suddenly banned. Look at the Prohibition, that didn't work out so well.

I'm pretty sure it's a sin to break the laws that don't go against god.

But we are sinners no matter what we do so as long as no one gets hurt we may as well have fun.

There are many legal drugs, such as ethanol and nicotine. In general, I think that drugs should be legal.

It may be a sin from the perspective of a religious person; but as I don't believe in something divine, I don't believe in the concept of sins. There is of course right and wrong in many cases; such as harming someone else, but an individual should be responsible for what he/she does on an individual level.

In Islam, there's a rule called "emergency" rule. Meaning, you can do the "prohibited" things if you really had no other option. For example, you're stranded in someplace where the food is scarce and no water either. Then you met a boar (pigs meat is forbidden in Islam) and you somehow magically find a bottle of wine (alcohol is also prohibited). In this situation, you are very much allowed to hunt the boar and eat it as well as drink the wine. This is not considered a sin.

A more realistic example would be like this. You are a soldier in a battleground, and you were shot in near vital point. It's extremely painful and you got no other anaesthetic drug potent enough to relieve the pain. You only have morphin in your disposal. In this case, the usage of morphin is allowed.

In my opinion, Drugs shouldn't be illegal. but the use of drugs without restraint is the thing that should be restricted. Because there are drugs which have medicinal properties like; Marijuana, Opium, Morphine... However human beings do not or are sometimes incapable of exercising control which leads to abuse. with regards to drugs being classified as Not a Sin. in many religious sects the use of drugs are not prohibited because it has has a significant effect or part in their religion. In ancient times, Drugs are used to cause a trance-like or hallucinatory states wherein the people are convinced that they can be close to their gods in such states.

It's not the drug that is sinful, but the acts associated by it's use. Cokeheads, heroin addicts, crackheads, drunks and speed freaks are known to steal, rob, pimp and kill for the drugs. With that their some that don't do it neither also. The whole idea of drugs being bad and sinful is shit since.. fuck weed, coca, opium, shrooms and tobacco grows naturally with those chemicals in them. Only the coke and heroin are manufacturer to be more stronger then the natural grown shit of today and weed is more generic enhanced to be more stronger. Shit saliva which is legal here is boiled with alcohol to put out more of the drug effects like distilling of beer/mash into booze.

I personally do not use drugs. I agree that drugs are not a sin. Many of my friends do or have and it hasn't made them bad people. Using drugs is a choice one can make. However, I think that to use them is an unwise choice, I'm not only referring to drugs that are illegal. This is because they cause significant damage to ones body if abused, which does not always happen but as many are extremely addictive extensive use is more likely.

Invalid logic. Fresh milk is good for the body, especially children, when consumed properly. Compare it to alcohol. What benefit can alcohol bring to the body?

Considering that milk that comes from cows( or goats. Pretty much any animal) will literally give you a heart attack. Now I'm not saying that drinking it once is a death sentence, but considering that the media makes us believe that we must consume that milk so often, and all the steady intake of cholesterol WILL eventually give you heart attack(unless you have high HDL).

Now if you drink rice milk or almond milk or something along those lines, then your golden(cholesterol is actually only in animals).

But the fact that milk and fatty meats will give us the potential to give us a heart attack. I have to ask, do you know what a heart attack is, cuz until I had my health class, I had no freaking idea. I mean, the media never really mentions how a heart attack works, so I can only imagine that some people wouldn't know what it even is.

Of course I know, I graduated from a vet medic college. Well, the cause of heart attack on animals is slightly different compared to humans, but I think it's generally same.

Like I said in my previous statement, drinking milk is good if you consume it properly. By properly, I mean on average human level consumption. It is a common sense that whenever you over-consume anything, it would bring negative effect on your body, even when it is naturally good for you.

What I want to point here is, the way you explain your statement seemed like consuming milk is blatantly bad for the body. Fresh dairy milk does contain high level of cholesterol, but milk is a substantial source of nourishment and gives immunological protection for young mammals. And while you haven't mentioned this, but of course there are some people who are allergic to lactose contained in milk, but that does not make milk should be prohibited or anything.

Also read this article for general info about milk.

For the milk being nutritious, it is, but with the typical cows milk you buy in stores, they fry that shit to kill off bacteria, and also cooks most of the potential nutrients. Your not getting as much calcium as you believe you are getting.

Now for the proper consumption, I am talking about proper consumption. Part of how much of that cholesterol gets into the walls of your veins depends on the genetics of your HDL levels. Then that can lessen how much cholesterol gets in. You don't need to drink a lot at once(Like a girl that was in my class that drank a gallon and a half of milk per day[crazy ass shit!]), but rather, it's the fact that we drink it for so long is what gets us. It's why 40+ years olds get heart attacks, yet you don't see teens or people in their twenties getting them. It's because all that cholesterol(not just milk but really fatty meats that are served in fast food and fancy restaurants like beef and such) we consume over so many years. It's a slow process, but it's undoubtedly that which will do us in.

That's not to say that you and I will get heart attacks right when we get to 45 or something. It's also a portion of stress and other high blood pressure inducing things that contribute as well. And if you exercise regularly, you could very well burn off that cholesterol before it settles.

Also, as I said before, all milk isn't bad, it's just the type you drink. almond, rice or any other type of milk like that doesn't have cholesterol.

I never said that it should be banned or prohibited either. My original post was to describe the ridiculousness of the concept of certain things being banned if it is "bad".