Dumb arguments for and against god.

If that was the best way you could give someone a compliment, I'm surprised, as that was just god awful. The FIRST thread of mine that DIDN'T make you think I was a moron? I mean honestly.

Besiders, it doesn't matter. I don't make threads so people will go, "Wow, what an intelligent person." I could care less what anyone on the internet thinks of me, as I thought I made obvious in all my other threads. If someone finds the threads helpful, and me intelligent, fine. If someone thinks I come off like a complete moron and my threads lack any substance at all, I'm fine with that too.

Well I have one that I am not entirely sure whether it is dumb or brilliant. It also doubles as argument for and against at the same time...

God exists/not because we have lots of definitions of the idea so one of them is bound to fit even if a little stretched...

That's the basic idea but you can be a lot more subtle about it so that the person doesn't notice you are making what amounts to a play on words...

Well, it is a bad argument, either way, because it's simply a complete nonsequitor

1. We have many definitions for god
conclusion: one of them is bound to be true

Simply does not logically follow.

Bad absolutely, it has no place in a serious discussion. But this is for dumb arguments...

However it is logical(barely), It is the same as asking is x = 5 when you have yet to say the value of x. You will get yes as an answer if you want to. It is simply completely meaningless as it adds nothing at all.

Another one here...

An alien race with technology we couldn't even begin to understand would qualify as God.
The universe is apparently infinite.
Therefore it is highly likely such a race exists.
So God exists.

I've never understood how some people get the idea that aliens could be considered "God." God wouldn't be bound by the rules of the universe or physical constraints, so how could an alien race be God? Furthermore, what would have created the aliens? There cannot be a God of God, because God is the final, the be-all, end-all entity.

But if the aliens were like the Q from Star Trek, then maybe . . . I don't know. The Q don't seem very godly to me, lol.

First you excluded most definitions of God... But aside from that.

It is simply really, imagine taking the technology of today and showing it to people of 2 thousand years ago. Certainly somethings would seem magical to them. Now add onto that, make it millions of years of technological progress, we can't even begin to imagine what such a group would be capable of, to us they would be an absolute existence because seemly there is nothing they can't do, therefore a God.

Also "There cannot be a God of God, because God is the final, the be-all, end-all entity." by that logic such a being would be incapable of creating another existence like him so he couldn't really be called a God(in your definition) because there is something he can't do.

Anyway regardless of what you think of my answers you fell into the first pit of any argument involving God, you immediately proceeded to make an argument without first considering what is God even as qualified in the discussion.

I thought you were bringing up a dumb argument (like the thread asked for), but it seems that was my mistake.

Concerning the definition of "God," to me, any definition that does not mean basically the same as "an all-powerful being" is a definition for something that isn't "God." Granted, this assumes monotheism, but if something was all-powerful, for what reason would more than one exist?

Humans have exponentially more power than a fly, but humans are not gods to flies. If flies somehow worshiped us, that wouldn't make us "God." It wouldn't give us the power to create the universe.

If there existed aliens with technology so advanced that they looked like gods to us, then maybe we would consider them, as a whole, to be "God," but what about the aliens? What would their conception of God be? Wouldn't they have some idea of a power greater than theirs? Furthermore, what would have created the aliens?

God is something that existed without having to be created. It's the final thing in the universe; a child is born from his or her parents, the parents were born from their parents, and so on, to the very beginning of mankind, and mankind sprang from some source of life. That source of life was born from the Earth or bacteria from a comet, or whatever the theory is. You can keep going back - until you get to God, the thing that existed without having to be created. If all-powerful aliens could go back and forth in time and topple mountains with but a thought, they still wouldn't be "God" unless they had existed without having to be created. Even if humans keep progressing to the point that we can do those miraculous things, it won't change the fact that once we lived in caves and didn't know how to talk.

Of course, that's just what I've learned from studying a bit of philosophy. I honestly don't give a shit about God.

Sorry it seems you misunderstood me, I was explaining some of the reasoning for it, it IS a dumb argument not because it doesn't make any sense(as it does to some extent as my 2nd paragraph explained) but because it is completely useless to the discussion.(if you didn't understand I can explain it further)

Aside from that I will answer to the rest of your post now.

And that's the problem with your argument, God initially wasn't an all powerfull being, far from that, the most famous example would be Greek God, there are a few religions which made God be all powerful as mostly a way of diferenciating this new religions from the old ones.

Regardless even if he is all-powerfull well more than one can exist because such being wants it to be so? I mean he is all-powerful so he can certainly create someone like him, separate himself in several personalities or something like that. So imagine a God decides he is tired and wants to end his own existence but first he finds someone or creates such a person to take the mantle of God, is such person not God even if God proclaims him to be?

Or another idea about time travel, what if we travel to the past and change our race, multiple times. In that hipothesis we would be literally our own creators except how can a being create himself? From an outsider's perspective it would seem we came to be from nothing, can't that be considered God?

The concept of God is very odd and people don't really care about it that much to actually think of it(especially people who believe in him). For example religions(which I will not name) say God created humans with free will and that is the reason of all bad things in the world. Well if God is all powerful then if he wanted he could have certainly created us in a way nothing bad happens, he knew exactly what would happen to the end of time itself(or whatever) because he is all powerful and still decided to create us and everything around us in this specific way. The counter to that would say something on the level "God was bored and didn't want to spoil himself", well not much point in being all powerful if you don't use it but I can certainly understand doing that which begs the question, what kind of God can be understood?

In the end, well there is no end because all arguments have a counter. The only way to know God would be if he reveals himself which ties into the previos mentioned idea of an alien race possibly being considered God. Oh sure you may argue we only think of them as God but it doesn't mean it is true. However if you look at the human history truth hardly matters, what truly matters is what people perceive as truth.

Anyway I agree with you there, God is for me a theme for discussion on a personal level neither God or any kind of religion holds any interest for me, well except by their impact on humans who believe in those I guess...

Well I already mentioned before nothing, himself or another God. Maybe also a group who working together is equivalent to a God? Too many possibilities even if you are very restrictive in the idea of God.

There is always the problem in any idea of a arguing a need for a creator as that begets the question of who creates the creator. To then claim a the creator needs no creator, then argues that there is the possibility to have something from nothing. In which case a creator is not necessary, but a creator would be sufficient.

My favorite argument I have heard was completely sarcastic and meant to antagonize our Christian co-workers but it made me laugh anyway.

"Of course there is the All-father. The Edda clearly states that Odin promised to get rid of all frost giants. There are no frost giants. Hence there must have been Odin to remove them."



Relevant due to circular logic. More common version is "God is real because Bible says so. Bible true because it is word of God."

I liked that one, it is pretty creative. Most people tend to think there are 3 religions on the world...

The Thought or belief of a god, basically is a creation of man to basically gain control of the people, Though fear and/or ignorance. The reason that its worked as long as it has is because, theres some people out there who dont want to have to make decisions for themselves, after all is'nt Easier to Have some tell you what is right or wrong, as opposed to learning it for yourself.

God = a creation by the mind of man of an all knowing being, used as a way of gaining control of a great deal of people and keep it.

Religion in itself isnt bad, infact it can teach so good life lessons and morals..the problem is these people whom i would call delusional in some cases ive seen damn near brainwashed

I wonder what would happen I had 3 wishes and wished for all three of those things. Would the universe collapse because of the paradox I create (I guess that'll happen with just omnipotence)?

As children our parents are gods. they know everything, they protect and sustain us. then one day we grow up and realise thy're people just like everyone else. gods were created to fill that void.