Existence Theory (plus a plausible way to kill off God)
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You sound like a parent telling their children that if they have christmas spirit, then santa will exist. Maybe im just biased because i dont believe in god, but your theory doesn't make any sense to me.
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So this discussion is another argument for/against God?
And existence theory is too loosely defined. Ask yourself, "Does Santa exist?"
He does in one sense but he doesn't in a whole other. How you approach the question would serve for better understanding.
And existence theory is too loosely defined. Ask yourself, "Does Santa exist?"
He does in one sense but he doesn't in a whole other. How you approach the question would serve for better understanding.
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If a sound is made in a forest, and nobody hears it, does that sound exist?
I see the philosophy in it, but reason would say this : The sound is being produced by say, a falling tree, then the soundwaves would emit from said tree and so the sound would be there, if there were anyone there or not.
Now let's say that God exist because everybody believes in him (or at least knows him), thus He somehow exist.what if everybody just forgets about God? Not everybody hating him, but everybody forgets he exists, maybe in the future when religion is banned and stuff. That means God will cease to exist right?
Following your theory on this ( i for one don't believe in god ) god would start existing in various forms because everyone has a different view of him, but then there would be millions of Gods, one for every person that believes in him, so he will cease to exist for the person if he stops believing
ow what if in reality, God really does exist through the power of thought and he created everything the same way, through thought. Will that mean that if we forget God, and He, who maintained creation through thought, will cease to exist, will we also, who are his creations, cease to exist together with Him?
I like that the amount of thought you put into this question, so let's presume that universe of ours would seize to exist because we stopped believing in god, but god himself wouldn't seize to exist because he was there before the universe was created (or so the bible says) following that thought would mean, that he would still exist in the multiverse in which our universe resides, so technically speaking he could recreate that universe and take out the person that brought the chain reaction into being so people stopped believing and therefore exist.
but those are just my thoughts on it :)
I see the philosophy in it, but reason would say this : The sound is being produced by say, a falling tree, then the soundwaves would emit from said tree and so the sound would be there, if there were anyone there or not.
Now let's say that God exist because everybody believes in him (or at least knows him), thus He somehow exist.what if everybody just forgets about God? Not everybody hating him, but everybody forgets he exists, maybe in the future when religion is banned and stuff. That means God will cease to exist right?
Following your theory on this ( i for one don't believe in god ) god would start existing in various forms because everyone has a different view of him, but then there would be millions of Gods, one for every person that believes in him, so he will cease to exist for the person if he stops believing
ow what if in reality, God really does exist through the power of thought and he created everything the same way, through thought. Will that mean that if we forget God, and He, who maintained creation through thought, will cease to exist, will we also, who are his creations, cease to exist together with Him?
I like that the amount of thought you put into this question, so let's presume that universe of ours would seize to exist because we stopped believing in god, but god himself wouldn't seize to exist because he was there before the universe was created (or so the bible says) following that thought would mean, that he would still exist in the multiverse in which our universe resides, so technically speaking he could recreate that universe and take out the person that brought the chain reaction into being so people stopped believing and therefore exist.
but those are just my thoughts on it :)
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the sound IS! thus it is. regardless of any listeners, however it is more likely that this sound is something the listener created in its own mind.(edit: due to a complicated piece of meat called BRAIN, for more info see: Homo sapiens) im so funny
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To me there are 2 worlds: My world, and the outside world. My world exists to me through experience and first person perception. The outside world is the world of every other individual living.
Because I haven't heard, met, or thought of those other people, they don't exist; but whose to say that I exist either. My point is that our existence cannot be perceived by anyone but ourselves and the people we choose to let in our lives or cross paths with.
IMHO there's only one way to find out the truth of God's existence and that is to kill yourself and see what happens in the afterlife. But that's just silly. Even if alot of bad things exist there really is too much good things to live for, like hentai.
Because I haven't heard, met, or thought of those other people, they don't exist; but whose to say that I exist either. My point is that our existence cannot be perceived by anyone but ourselves and the people we choose to let in our lives or cross paths with.
IMHO there's only one way to find out the truth of God's existence and that is to kill yourself and see what happens in the afterlife. But that's just silly. Even if alot of bad things exist there really is too much good things to live for, like hentai.
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thegreatnobody wrote...
Now let's say that God exist because everybody believes in him (or at least knows him), thus He somehow exist. My thought is, what if everybody just forgets about God? Not everybody hating him, but everybody forgets he exists, maybe in the future when religion is banned and stuff. That means God will cease to exist right?
I think that this is not possible. First of all, humans always seek someone who has greater power than them, a greater being. Let's take for example the ancient times. People since the beginning has always wanted to believe that there is someone or something that has power over them. It's more like human nature for us to seek something more powerful. So even if every religion is banned, it does not mean that people will stop thinking that a God exist. Most cases people would believe that some chosen one is a a God like the Pharaohs in ancient Egypt..
P.S. I feel like I just wrote a paper about the existence of god now..
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From The Book of Lies by Aleister Crowley:
THE BLIND WEBSTER
It is not necessary to understand; it is enough to adore.
The god may be of clay: adore him; he becomes GOD.
We ignore what created us; we adore what we create.
Let us create nothing but GOD!
That which causes us to create is our true father and mother; we create in our own image, which is theirs.
Let us create therefore without fear; for we can create nothing that is not GOD.
The god may be of clay: adore him; he becomes GOD.
We ignore what created us; we adore what we create.
Let us create nothing but GOD!
That which causes us to create is our true father and mother; we create in our own image, which is theirs.
Let us create therefore without fear; for we can create nothing that is not GOD.