Genetic Engineering

And I'm happy thats its not connected, you could already see how this makes a free country

I wouldnt say its lazy, I mean it costs about millions of dollars

There is no such thing as cheating, there is only winning. Ok that isn't always true but it normally is. The biggest issue with hard works is that everyone has their own preset limitations, and you can bypass those, to a limited degree, by augmenting each person on a genetic level. Like my limit is that I won't put up with people giving me shit for no apparent/intelligible/good reason for longer than 6 months, even if I love my work, if I hate my boss and/or my coworkers I will only deal with it for so long.

There is no such thing as winning, its just that the other side loses more

I've played games where the only thing I had less at the end of was was ammunition, that isn't losing that is spending.

The genetic engineering question can be answered as just a problem in bioethics. No one in this world would, unless they were an idiotic heartless bastard, say that genetic engineering is the absolute choice, due to the rebuttals of Nazism, Ethics, and other Name-calling that would ensue from the people who would love for everyone to survive and prosper. The biggest problem with genetic engineering is that it would allow the rift between the rich and the poor to be spread even wider than it is now, and no one wants to say that they are for that. But with genetic engineering, it is possible to create superior humans and improve existing humans (through viruses that would inject dna code to existing cells, even though this would be a very lengthy and expensive process because of the amount of therapy needed and cannot work for all cells), and this is a extremely useful tool that can very well be the next big jump that humanity needs to finally excel.



You don't need to worry about that, human dna is equipped only with a set number of telomeres and TATA segments (segments on the ends of DNA that do nothing but take up space) to protect dna, and every time your dna is replicated due to spliting of cells due to growth, the telomere and TATA segments are decreased, so eventually no matter what you do, unless you replace every single cell's dna, the telomeres and TATA segments will run out and your dna will become altered, which will cause you to die from cancer or just an inability to replicate your cells.

Can't hurt to dream that people wouldn't use such technology for such evil intents but, that the sad truth about humanity

one of those contradictionary issue....

i'd say yes for some issue.this could be our way out from recent health issues that's bugging us,like aids,h5n1,resistant tbc,etc.....

genetic engineering had already solved our pested crops issue,so why not?
90% of the corns and tomatoes being sold out there is genetically engineered,man.

imagine if they could alter the genes of the HIV virus so that they aren't resistant to medication anymore.

we can have sex without worrying too much..... :D

ok,back to serious mode.....

but i have to say no for cloning,gen.eng for humans,to create superior humans,etc.

those things will lead to many probs like organ trading,widening rich-poor gap,destroying sport competition,weaker-human genocide by the superhuman....
too much hassle,really.

so,as long as its not used on humans,i think it'll be allright.

so basically like GITS the episode where there huntin the people who are dealin orans right?

precisely.organ trading is bad as it is,so don't add the available organ.

i've seen a fictional movie about a company that's creating and prisoning clones of rich people just for their organs,and two of the clones escape,creating controversy in the outside world.....

but i just can't remember the title.....

that kind of things could happen in the near future if we insist on cloning humans.

As we advanced through the generations as a species, we began to realize what made us tick. what commanded us, what drove us to do what we did, what instincts were. what MADE instincts. Genetics is the very core of it all, with amino acids at the very center. DNA. RNA. People began to research this and came to understand what the cause of many diseases were. They created vaccines, and saved many people. But at the same time, we also realized that genes had mutations, unwanted mutations. the things that seperated us from one another. 'If we could find the perfect set of genes, we could find which genes to cut out from another to take out the things we dont want and the things we do for our children' thought many. But really, all it is, is natural development of our species. The striving to understand what we really are. Our purpose. To make life easier. To make a new generation better than we are. It was going to happen anyway. You know they say the library of Alexandria, the one that was burned during the crusades? Well, if the crusades didn't happen, they say we would be 500 years ahead, technology wise.

if you didn't get my answer, then its yes genetic engineering is ok

Have you ever heard of xenotransplantation?
Scientists are trying to figure out a way to be able to use pig organs in transplantations.
See people are on waiting lists for organs and then when the organ even comes in they have to make sure their body won't reject the organ.
Scientists are still working out the kinks, but there are pros and cons to it. The pros certainly weigh out the cons. The pros are they can farm pigs for organs and have time to medically treat it and make sure it's totally healthy before putting it in another human. Another pro is the fact that people who are pron to reject donated organs more will be able to accept pig organs better, why - I forget lol. It's been a while since I heard about this in Anatomy. They have organs right there for people and survival rates will go up.

Personally I find this more effective then Genetic Engineering, however I do see your point with diseases and such.

But I wouldn't ever want people cloned for like.. an army. That would never pass. It'd be inhumane. :lol:

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Oh yea, the cons right now to xenotransplantation is the fact scientists haven't figured it out completely.

uh.. ziggy otaku. first of all that sounds like something from a fantasy world. if they WERE trying to use organs from other animals, they would use animals that were very closely related to us. like monkeys, or other primates. those would be a lot easier to work with, because they are close to us. secondly, how does this have anything to do with genetic engineering? genetic engineering goes beyond just cloning, you know.

by they way people, try to be a bit more realistic here. this is the serious discussion section after all. I mean, im sure in top secret laboratories there HAVE been human cloning attempts, but that doesnt mean it will go public any time soon, and its not like they are going to make a clone army, like starwars. thats just pure fiction. do you know how much work it takes to clone ONE person, let alone an animal? it takes tons of work, excercise, research, and following up on the project. they only live for like 14 days, and even then about 3% of the attempts actually succeed. if they succeed in cloning something, it is definitely something to say in the news. Basically what im say ing is.. get real.

It was towards this. It was just another option scientists are working on with xenotransplantation. If you'd like I can get you an article about it. I'm not just pulling shit out of my ass for entertainment.

Pig organs ARE very similar to human organs.

Wrong...it can still affect everything other than the Brian as well as it would in the womb. even the brain...after birth...can be modfiyed. Every part of your body (and to a extent...your brain) is replaced every 6 months with new cells...with genetic material inside as the blue prints. For great levels Brain augmentaion...it would require Stem Cells as well as Genetic Enginering. Gotika was a fictional movie not based on science.

i thought it was every 6 years.

speaking of organs.....
i heard that they're trying to make hearts and kidneys based on the parts of a spacecraft,like pumps and filters.....

seems that their only problem is to keep the devices working without external batteries......

whoa. that is weird. can you give me a link to where you got that?

My bad...but it isn't all together.You'd feel the effects faster than an infant would....and I still think its 6 months...I might be wrong on that. But Genetic enginering can make anyone a sciencetist or an Olympic athelete...or better.

If I'm get that done to me...I'm going to dress up as Captain Amercia and randomly hit people in the face, I'll be a real life superhero :twisted: . I'll be accepting audcions for Super Villians in the Airport Hilton.