global warming : who/what to blame,and what should we do?

Not saying I neccessarily disagree with your assesment of An Inconvient Truth, but what exactly did you consider political propaganda from the film?

What, the entire film was to promote his image and his political stance! The film itself might not have any direct advertising or whatnot, but the political undercurrents are there. Politicians always want something, whether it be funds, attention, or voters, and his film helped his cmapaign. Maybe I'm a bit paranoid around politicians, but I try not to take their words at face value.

Gotcha, I thought you were saying that there was a political goal in mind in terms of party politics. But you were just referring to him using it to garner support for himself with a few left wing enviornmentalists and alienate the large amounts of right wing and independants who will now view him as a tree hugging kook and never vote for him ever?

I'm just saying, there is no way he could win a general election now, he might get the dem nomination, but no way would he win in the general. I think he probably knew that going in. It's kinda hard to say, I'm equally judgemental about politicians most of the time, but if you look into it global warming is something he's been trying to bring attention to and been on the forefront of since he entered politics. I think more than anything he did it to use some of the fame and political capitol he had already developed in order to bring further light to the issue, even if he knew it would be political suicide as far as presidency goes.

I'm equally paranoid toward politicians, as far as I'm concerned they're all pretty much a bunch of power hungery shitsacks. If the film I saw was just some bullshit propaganda, I respectfully withdraw my previous statement. However, global warming is still going to be an issue, and as long as these goddamn politicians are around no one will know the full truth. Politics suck, and politicians are the biggest wastes of genetic material ever.

Either way, global warming is an issue, and I think Al Gore did a good job bringing the issue up to the forefront. Yeah, I totally agree with your assessment and statement, Ultenth, about Al Gore committing his own political suicide. As far as I'm concerned, I haven't seen him in the political spolight for quite some time.

I'm just going to play devils advocate even though I personally don't believe this.

Some people believe the "eco-friendly's (al Gore,etc)" and other similar minded people have a hatred of the corporate/capitalistic system. They also believe that the easiest way to take down these "evil" companies is to intact laws to fine and slowly curb production of these companies to force them out of business.

Just playing devil's advocate. I personally don't believe that.

whether this thing we call global warming exist or not,i don't know.
but i notice one thing.i live in bandung,a city that is cold in indonesian standard.i used to sleep with thick blanket 5 yrs ago.now,without aircon or fan,i couldn't sleep at all.how could someone explain that.

i believe we all feels that earth it getting hotter and hotter.

so i believe global warming do exist,with all of its scientific,social,economic and political controversy.

and those controversy is what caused all of this.

social:overusage of fuels,because people keep using car with 6.0 litre engine or maybe more and waste 4.5km/ltr on fuel because they want to be labeled as cool guys.

economic:car companies like GM keeps making cars like hummer and escalades just for the sake of profit and demand.and you know what?instead of making profit they're losing their money.they deserve that.

scientific:lot of scientist just predicting when will global warming kills us instead of making the solutions.

political:USA didn't sign the kyoto treaty,and smaller countries are chickened,delaying their actions on global warming just because USA is not in it.

please tell me if i'm wrong in any of this.
ahhhhh.....i'm starting to lose hope in humanity.....

Maybe you haven't gone out yet...

Anyways. Watch "An Inconvenient Truth". After the movie ends(credits included), do something. Not using a car and just using my bike is what i'm doing to help prevent Global Warming^^

Remember. Every little thing that we do can change the world drastically.

What I find amusing about is it that there is raw scientific data backing it all up. You never hear people saying "I don't believe the world is round" or "I don't believe humans need oxygen to live" do you? Why is it so hard for people to understand that global warning isn't just some crock thought up by some enviornmentalist kook? I guess because it would inconvience people to actually have to do something to counteract it, so they'd rather just believe it doesn't exist.

Actually, I do: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

Edit: I don't believe the world is flat; I'm just saying that I've seen people who believe it is. I realized my sentence was kind of misleading.

This'll either piss you off... or make you laugh...
It did to me for a bit...
Pissed and laughed, yeah...

For every thing in the world we hold to be "true" there is always someone who doesn't believe it.

Global warming is happening. The debate is "Are humans to blame or is it the natural cycle of the planets heating and cooling to keep itself regulated". So it depends on what side of the argument you are on.

Personally, I believe its the planet heating and cooling itself. Humans didn't cause "the little ice age" in the middle ages. So how can we be so damn sure that we are causing the planet to heat up rather than the planet doing it itself. For every scrap of data that claims humans are to blame there is equal data to suggest that its the planet.

Come to your own conclusions. As for me; Fuck Al Gore! He wants us to reduce our "carbon" foot print and yet he flies by himself in a fucking carbon spewing airplane. (directed at Gore) "Practice what you preach asshole!"

He still got the noble prize, yeah...

He's still got a point there, but yeah at first pissed off, the laughed it off.

:D

Not really worried about global warming since i don't think it's gonna "kill" me sooner or later.

i didn't think global warming ever existed, i'm not a researcher of any kind, thus i can't agree on either it's a just a lie or an inconvenient truth. but when it all comes down, who knows, i wrote an essay in grade 10 proving global warming is a hoax, that greenhouse effect is a myth, did plenty of research over the net, but still, "researchers had stated this or that" doesn't seem like necessary reliable and accurate information, the thing is, they rarely mention names of any sort(and even if they did, u wouldn't know who the hell they're anyways), it's either professional "researchers" or unnamed "scientists" in the field(same goes for both sides), Al Gore's film is, indeed convincing(his acting is not half bad), but that's from the movie-making point of view(let's not go into the politics, trust me, fewer than u think can really understand what politicians are really scheming about), after all, words are stronger than u think, as well as virtual images, those graphs and charts does wonders u know, read any research paper about global warming written by an anonymous person, it's bound to have big words and scientific terms i don't even understand, making u believe that they do, know what they're talkin about(but u still don't understand even the basic concept of their so-called theories). In the end, none of us can say for sure, unless u go into the field urself and give in to research, then of course whether the statement -"global warming caused by humans" is proven true or false will be cleared to u.

Then how about you go into the field yourself?

The most convincing part of the global warming issue is that there are many researchers in this field, so I don't know where you've been checking global warming out. Check out wikipedia's article on global warming, and there are over 120 citations/references, not to mention a lot of links for further reading... and that's wikipedia alone. The problem is there, it's just that humans have exacerbated the problem somewhat.

I agree with Carlin. First, I'm not saying global warming is not important or something like that, but for all the money people are putting into its research, I feel like it's going to waste and instead the money could be used for more important life matters like child poverty, education or something like reforestation in places where it can an provide ecosystem benefits.

Still, I probably shouldn't be talking since I'm the type of person that worries about my memory card corrupting every time I save in a video game.

Don't forget the little ice age of the 19th century. The thing is is isn't really the Earth anyone is actually concerned obout. There is actually nothing we could possibly do to destroy the planet (short of global thermonuclear war). Life is the only thing threatened by global warming. In a few million years the atmosphere will correct itself, and eventually evolution will continue along it's course. Btw I may not be making as much sense as usual, I'm on some pretty heavy pain meds... wisdom teeth, need I say more?

What is your proof of any of this? Or is it just "logic" tells you it's true? What cracks me up most about this whole debate is that people just take a little bit of info, and then use their "logic" to come up with their belief on how it all works. Sorry to tell you, but I think I'll take the word and advice from the super intelligent person with tons of schooling and years and years of data gathering and experimentation as WELL as logic over your average Joe's "logic".

This is exactly where my "average joe's logic" comes from I know I'm not an ecologist, but I'm not just some dumbass trying to sound intelligent. I may not be able to recall wherer most of my info comes from, but I'm not just making shit up. Granted most of the information I've brought up was discovered by geologists, as opposed to ecologists. It's still valid, they still attended school, have i don't even know how many PhD's,and they know what the hell they're talking about. Oh, and in regards to the "little ice ages" They have all been documented. I couldn't tell you exactly what year, but do a search on the little ice age, either of the middle ages or the 1800's. You'll find out we're not just full of shit.