Homosexuals
Homosexuality
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Yes, especially in America (from my Canadian pov) but it's getting better. Here in Canada, I feel that we are more accepting than Americans though. This is all IMO.
The simple fact is homosexuality is a growing trend in our society, so the more homo's we have, the more society has to accept it just like race and religion. It will come in due time.
The simple fact is homosexuality is a growing trend in our society, so the more homo's we have, the more society has to accept it just like race and religion. It will come in due time.
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I go to an art school, so a lot of my friends are gay. I guess it's because of my surroundings that I don't really get to associate with many homophobic people.
But really I just don't see anything wrong with being homosexual. Being homophobic, however, is just impractical.
But really I just don't see anything wrong with being homosexual. Being homophobic, however, is just impractical.
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I would definitely agree that a large portion of the United States has issues with Homosexuality. I'd especially associate the Homophobic societies with more Rural areas. Small communities and farming towns tend to be less accepting of it due to also being less accustomed to being around people of that orient. I live in a small farming town and I definitely see it here.
I have a cousin however that is Homosexual and has a partner. I find them very interesting people and in no way find their relationship wrong. Respect is not something humanity is known for however. I do not doubt it will be quite some time before Homosexuals are accepted to a fair degree.
I have a cousin however that is Homosexual and has a partner. I find them very interesting people and in no way find their relationship wrong. Respect is not something humanity is known for however. I do not doubt it will be quite some time before Homosexuals are accepted to a fair degree.
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A lot of people out there who accept it as the way it is, but far more are still talking about it as some kind of disease or form of inferiority to the 'straight' humankind, hence the 'gay' cursing.
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I think the majority of Americans don't care about ones sexual orientation but, they do take issue with marriage. Why? I'm not too sure. I am willing to guess that it has something to do with the notion of same sex parents would disrupt the perception of gender roles and the role models. I guess they think a boy with two feminine men will turn out to be feminine or something to that effect.
I think the homosexual movement lost a lot of ground in public opinion when they brought transsexuals into their movement. To the average person transsexuals are mentally disturbed people.
I think the homosexual movement lost a lot of ground in public opinion when they brought transsexuals into their movement. To the average person transsexuals are mentally disturbed people.
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Homosexuality is perfectly fine in my eyes. The only people that have problems with homos are religious fanatics and they are declining =]
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GracefulDiscension. wrote...
Homosexuality is perfectly fine in my eyes. =]True true, but don't forget the race card. Different up-bringing equals different view on homosexuals/bisexuals/transexuals. Some ethnic cultures just can't cope with it, having a homosexual relative could hurt the family, my family for instance has never had anyone in it not be heterosexual. All the males are married to women and/or have girlfriends.
I am reminded of the somewhat current details about one Ricky Martin, for long many have labeled him as a homosexual, no one was really surprised we he announced that he was, people (especially of his ethnic bg) were more surprised that he did reveal it.
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I've never really met someone that's been really homophobic, then again I've never met someone that's been open about being gay.
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The major issue with Religion is, by my count, as follows: "Religion can not respect the idea that other Religion is possible." Christianity I find to be the most ridiculous in the lot as it says "One and only" basically right in the text. The only way to stop conflict is to accept things as they are. This can never work for Christianity and a number of other religions because they are unwilling to alter their beliefs. Sexuality, Race, Gender and many other differences possible in humanity suffer because of that. Religion is about following the road, not about building it. I gave up on the hope that standardized religions would ever evolve. I just steer clear of anything in that area and do what I do.
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Whenever I meet someone who's homophobic, I act gay to scare them. PFFFFFFFFT! I find phobias to be silly in general, and homophobia...LOLOLOLOL. Also, I'm one of those people who consider complete homosexuals as "inferior" to the straight "race".
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Americans don't care about ones sexual orientation but, they do take issue with marriage. Why? I'm not too sure.That's something that I'm not sure about either. Personally, I find it to be rather stupid that people will not accept others' choices of who they want to marry. Why does it bother people that two gay* people want to be together (married)? It's their life and choice, not the choice or life of anyone else.
If religion is someone's excuse to be against gay-marriage, then why not leave gays be and let them go to hell or be punished (If that's what your religion says will happen). Won't God do that for the religious people? They shouldn't have to bother anyone about it or make a big deal.
Hell, I honestly don't think there is any legit excuse to be against gay marriage or intrude on it.
People should be able to live their life in the way they want (whether married to the opposite or same sex), as long as those people aren't infringing on the ability of others to pursue life, liberty and happiness. Oh, and if the sexuality and marriage of someone else—especially someone who you don't even know—keeps you from having "happiness"... you've got an issue.
Hmm. What do you know? Gay marriage is a topic where I actually take a strong/aggressive stance.
ANYWAY, lol.. kinda went way off topic by going too deeply into Marriage.
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I don't think too much of society is homophobic. As FPOD said, "Americans don't care about ones sexual orientation" (for the larger part). I personally don't care either. I think you have to be insecure if you have issues with the sexuality of others. Hell, I call myself straight and yet I feel comfortable enough with my sexuality to be honest and let a man know if he looks "good".
Oh course, that probably contradicts what I said about being straight, but I don't think so. I'm comfortable with my orientation, I don't feel obligated to prove my orientation, and so I'm perfectly fine with making remarks that may be regarded as gay (without saying "NO HOMO LOL").
[size=10]*My use of the word gay is pretty much synonymous with lesbian, bisexual and similar orientations[/h]
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HentaiElder wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Americans don't care about ones sexual orientation but, they do take issue with marriage. Why? I'm not too sure.That's something that I'm not sure about either. Personally, I find it to be rather stupid that people will not accept others' choices of who they want to marry. Why does it bother people that two gay* people want to be together (married)? It's their life and choice, not the choice or life of anyone else.
I looked around for some non-religious arguments against gay marriage and I came up with these
1). Children who are deprived of the parenting of one gender have a very strong tendency toward emotional and/or psychological problems.
2). Redefining the definition of marriage will open a door to further redefinitions (i.e. people marrying pets, siblings,etc).
3). That people will use this as a way to take advantage of "family health care plans" and similar benefits.
I'm not familiar with any studies supporting number 1. I think argument 2 is a logical fallacy but, I see argument 3 as a potential problem but, I'm not sure how they can prevent fraud through this method without affecting legit couples.
As I said forever and a day ago. I don't really care about marriage as a legal institution. I see it as more of a religious one. Non-married couples are not given the same benefits as married couples which technically counts as a form of discrimination by my definition. Though I do recognize that long term couplings are required for mentally and emotionally developed children.
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Well, you see, Hentai, it's not about letting them just go to Hell or whatnot, it's that this is what the church believes, and if the priests let homosexuals marry in their churches, that's the same fucking thing as what the homosexuals have been complaining about - having someone else's beliefs be imposed on them by someone else's beliefs. If homosexuals want to get "married", I don't want it to be in a church or by a priest. I'm not Christian by the way, and I do support gay marriage; only because at this point in time, it's better than civil unions.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
I think argument 2 is a logical fallacySpecifically, the slippery slope fallacy.
Would you elaborate on the third one? My bullshit detector doesn't see why a "Family Health Care" for gays would be a problem.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
1). Children who are deprived of the parenting of one gender have a very strong tendency toward emotional and/or psychological problems.Well, thanks for providing other arguments. I considered using more than just a religious argument (by looking up other stances) but didn't want to ramble on too much.
The first argument is very interesting though. I don't know the validity of it, but it definitely has got me thinking about my own state of mind and how I didn't really grow up with my father. I may not be much different from most people (as far as psychological/mental processes go) but I do believe I have an issue here and there. Rbz might know a little something about that, but who doesn't have issues? Anyway, that argument definitely strikes me as something interesting and worth looking into (not that I think I can prove it to be correct or incorrect).
Two is a fallacy and so I'll disregard it.
Number three does seem like a situation that can be a problem as far as economics/the impact on society goes (if marriage is used in a fraudulent or corrupt manner). So that's an understandable argument. Even then, why would two people marry SOLELY for benefits? And even if they did marry for such reasons, does it really hurt anyone else that badly?
But eh, I'm looking at gay marriage from more of a moral standpoint than any other. And as far as my morals go, nobody reserves the right to tell someone they can't be married to someone else (regardless of sex). It's their business and their choice.
Lol @ people acting like they are the mother/father of a huge group of people(gays, lesbians, and bisexuals), telling them who they should or should not marry...
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As a great way to refute or counter argument three, marriage financially benefits both homosexuals and heterosexuals alike. If it's a problem for one group to have benefits, it should be a problem with another.
The first argument is very interesting though. I don't know the validity of it, but it definitely has got me thinking about my own state of mind and how I didn't really grow up with my father. I may not be much different from most people (as far as psychological/mental processes go) but I do believe I have an issue here and there. Rbz might know a little something about that, but who doesn't have issues? Anyway, that argument definitely strikes me as something interesting and worth looking into (not that I think I can prove it to be correct or incorrect).
Two is a fallacy and so I'll disregard it.
Number three does seem like a situation that can be a problem as far as economics/the impact on society goes (if marriage is used in a fraudulent or corrupt manner). So that's an understandable argument. Even then, why would two people marry SOLELY for benefits? And even if they did marry for such reasons, does it really hurt anyone else that badly?
But eh, I'm looking at gay marriage from more of a moral standpoint than any other. And as far as my morals go, nobody reserves the right to tell someone they can't be married to someone else (regardless of sex). It's their business and their choice.
Lol @ people acting like they are the mother/father of a huge group of people(gays, lesbians, and bisexuals), telling them who they should or should not marry...
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As a great way to refute or counter argument three, marriage financially benefits both homosexuals and heterosexuals alike. If it's a problem for one group to have benefits, it should be a problem with another.
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It's gotten better over the years, and should only continue to get better. However, I'd still say a good portion of the United States is still homophobic.
I just don't get it. What business is it of yours whether someone is homosexual or not? What gives these Conservatives the right to say you can't be gay around me, you can't get married? Really? Why do you care?
I just don't get it. What business is it of yours whether someone is homosexual or not? What gives these Conservatives the right to say you can't be gay around me, you can't get married? Really? Why do you care?
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They are called Conservatives for a reason, they don't like change much and homosexuality is a change for them.
Change will occur in due time and there's really nothing anyone can do about it. Gays and Lesbians are going to be accepted into our society like blacks, asians, hispanics, indians etc. and they will still face discrimination.
Change will occur in due time and there's really nothing anyone can do about it. Gays and Lesbians are going to be accepted into our society like blacks, asians, hispanics, indians etc. and they will still face discrimination.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
2). Redefining the definition of marriage will open a door to further redefinitions (i.e. people marrying pets, siblings,etc).I believe, I heard/read somewhere that there is a number of people that have married buildings. And then there is some Japanese kid getting a 2D waifu.
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MoneyDRuffy wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
2). Redefining the definition of marriage will open a door to further redefinitions (i.e. people marrying pets, siblings,etc).I believe, I heard/read somewhere that there is a number of people that have married buildings. And then there is some Japanese kid getting a 2D waifu.
There's a women in the states that married a roller coaster. Haha.