Illegal Aliens - Read before you flame.
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Well, the analogy isn't that great because my house is private property. Meanwhile, the country isn't, it's publicly owned (not sure if that's the right wording I want to use).
Guess who owns the public? The government. Guess who owns the government? We, the people, own it. Not the people of Canada. Not the people of Russia. Not Mexico... not Korea or Cuba... American citizens own America.
Oh, and I guess I'm a criminal, too, since I illegally download music and most often drive over the speed limit. Now are you going to make me out to be some lower life-form with no morals?
This is a whole different issue. Minsc will not argue about piracy on this thread, other than that, by downloading music.. you are making a copy, not stealing a physical item. The song still remains on whichever medium it came from.
As for driving over the speed limit- Yes you are breaking the law. Minsc hopes you do not run over any kids, when you spin out of control.
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Minsc wrote...
Guess who owns the public? The government. Guess who owns the government? We, the people, own it. Not the people of Canada. Not the people of Russia. Not Mexico... not Korea or Cuba... American citizens own America.And if someone comes here...and they pay the same taxes we do...then what is the problem? Re-read my second post if you didn't catch the edit. I'm not saying that illegal immigrants should be able to stay here without the same responsibilties everyone else has. I'm saying that the current way of getting here sucks, and should be made easier for people wanting to come in.
Also, I'm saying that I'm offended at the way you demonize (sorry for overusing this word) illegal immigrants and treat them like murderers.
Minsc wrote...
This is a whole different issue. Minsc will not argue about piracy on this thread, other than that, by downloading music.. you are making a copy, not stealing a physical item. The song still remains on whichever medium it came from.As for driving over the speed limit- Yes you are breaking the law. Minsc hopes you do not run over any kids, when you spin out of control.
What, you're not going to say that I deserve to be shot and that I'm a degenerate scumbag?
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And if someone comes here...and they pay the same taxes we do...then what is the problem?
Minsc does not know of any illegal immigrants who would or can fill out a tax form. Government would deport them.
What, you're not going to say that I deserve to be shot and that I'm a degenerate scumbag?
Depends how fast you're driving, where you're driving at, or more importantly, how many people are you putting in danger?
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Minsc wrote...
And if someone comes here...and they pay the same taxes we do...then what is the problem?
Minsc does not know of any illegal immigrants who would or can fill out a tax form. Government would deport them.
...Which is not what I'm saying...
I'll say it again. I can't emphasize slow talking through text, so just read this slowly and digest what I'm saying:
The current process of getting citizenship sucks ass. There should be an easier way of getting into this country. Second, I'm not defending illegal immigrants by saying that they haven't broken the law. I'm telling you that the way that you view illegal immigrants is extremely retarded and intolerant.
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The current process of getting citizenship sucks ass. There should be an easier way of getting into this country. Second, I'm not defending illegal immigrants by saying that they haven't broken the law. I'm telling you that the way that you view illegal immigrants is extremely retarded and intolerant.
Minsc understands your opinion. You are entitled to such belief. But what obligation does the United States have to offer anyone citizenship, outside our country? We can make it as hard as we want, it's our home.
You have admitted that illegals are criminals, so I ask this:
What is your response, to dealing with illegals? What would be more humane-in your eyes? What would be justified, for everyone?
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Minsc wrote...
Minsc understands your opinion. You are entitled to such belief. But what obligation does the United States have to offer anyone citizenship, outside our country? We can make it as hard as we want, it's our home.I guess if you look at it that way, no we don't have an obligation. But why not let people come to the US? What's wrong with that?
Minsc wrote...
You have admitted that illegals are criminals, so I ask this:What is your response, to dealing with illegals? What would be more humane-in your eyes? What would be justified, for everyone?
I suppose deportation without fine is the most humane thing to do.
I don't know, I guess I haven't made a complete opinion on that issue.
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Minsc is open to suggestions on a better way to deal with illegals. If you deport them, they jump right back over the fence. If they manage to breed on American soil, the parents can no longer be deported. Nor can the child.
But after much thought, is there really a better solution than killing them? After all-this is what MANY countries already do, when you trespass into their borders. THEY kill you. What a surprise.
But after much thought, is there really a better solution than killing them? After all-this is what MANY countries already do, when you trespass into their borders. THEY kill you. What a surprise.
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Minsc wrote...
But after much thought, is there really a better solution than killing them? After all-this is what MANY countries already do, when you trespass into their borders. THEY kill you. What a surprise.Wow, and I thought this came to a good conclusion...
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k ill start by saying ima refer to illegal immigrants with IM
to let u know IM can pay taxes and file forms and so on the irs lets them by giving them a number it doesnt give them any rights but it lets them pay taxes wait let me reuse that phrase "doesnt give them any rights" they have rights they just arent U.S citizen
and if u gonna say they dont have rights they do if u remember the terrorist being held in... i forget somewhere near cuba, well the point is they were being treated unfairly and the supreme court ruled that it was unconstituitional and order they be treated better, bush protected his right to tortured by saying they were not citizen but the supreme court rule they were still humans and deserve respect no matter what their circumstance, so once again yes they can pay taxes and yes they have some rights by the way they dont drain money from medicare and SS benefits since they arent citizens, every year they put money into these programs they will never have any use last is the about coming here legal most of the people who come here don't have the funds to pay for the process so they go with the next best thing and u think its so easy with the bill that was going to be pass which by the way the senate and house are too damn pussy to pass anything since most of the bribes they get come from major corps. that hired IM and yes not all of them are bribe but im sure enough are or maybe they arent but even then u have to get past the part that if u lose all the cheap labor u have an increase of price in products they use to help supply for a cheaper price and with no raise in the min. wage in the longest time i assure u many families wouldnt make it very long and would have to resort to welfare which would strain the economy even more yes they broke the law but IM are part of the U.S economy like it or not and cuz of this there will always be IM
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to let u know IM can pay taxes and file forms and so on the irs lets them by giving them a number it doesnt give them any rights but it lets them pay taxes wait let me reuse that phrase "doesnt give them any rights" they have rights they just arent U.S citizen
and if u gonna say they dont have rights they do if u remember the terrorist being held in... i forget somewhere near cuba, well the point is they were being treated unfairly and the supreme court ruled that it was unconstituitional and order they be treated better, bush protected his right to tortured by saying they were not citizen but the supreme court rule they were still humans and deserve respect no matter what their circumstance, so once again yes they can pay taxes and yes they have some rights by the way they dont drain money from medicare and SS benefits since they arent citizens, every year they put money into these programs they will never have any use last is the about coming here legal most of the people who come here don't have the funds to pay for the process so they go with the next best thing and u think its so easy with the bill that was going to be pass which by the way the senate and house are too damn pussy to pass anything since most of the bribes they get come from major corps. that hired IM and yes not all of them are bribe but im sure enough are or maybe they arent but even then u have to get past the part that if u lose all the cheap labor u have an increase of price in products they use to help supply for a cheaper price and with no raise in the min. wage in the longest time i assure u many families wouldnt make it very long and would have to resort to welfare which would strain the economy even more yes they broke the law but IM are part of the U.S economy like it or not and cuz of this there will always be IM
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Firstly, Minsc thanks you for your post. Another perspective in this subject finally has arrived.
However.....
Source? Please. Minsc doesn't see how an illegal immigrant would pay taxes, because even if they could, that would be an easy way to catch and deport them. The business that is hiring them would also get tracked and fined for this. Are you confusing legal immigrants with illegals?
For the rest of what you typed, Minsc is having a problem finding where sentences start and stop. Can you reform your post just a little better? With periods. No offense-intended.
However.....
ill start by saying ima refer to illegal immigrants with IM
to let u know IM can pay taxes and file forms and so on the irs lets them by giving them a number it doesnt give them any rights but it lets them pay taxes wait let me reuse that phrase "doesnt give them any rights" they have rights they just arent U.S citizen
to let u know IM can pay taxes and file forms and so on the irs lets them by giving them a number it doesnt give them any rights but it lets them pay taxes wait let me reuse that phrase "doesnt give them any rights" they have rights they just arent U.S citizen
Source? Please. Minsc doesn't see how an illegal immigrant would pay taxes, because even if they could, that would be an easy way to catch and deport them. The business that is hiring them would also get tracked and fined for this. Are you confusing legal immigrants with illegals?
For the rest of what you typed, Minsc is having a problem finding where sentences start and stop. Can you reform your post just a little better? With periods. No offense-intended.
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Very well, since you ask nicely I will explain this better. First off, the IRS can't give away information to INS. Due to the privacy laws and so on, but our government thought it would be a great idea to let them pay taxes so they came up with IRS Tax ID Numbers Subvert Immigration Law, I'm not the best person to explain it but here is a link to the site:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1202.html
You don't have to read the whole thing the first few lines explain most of it. But if you don't want to read in short it says, the IRS lets this happen and just looks the other way. Another thing that I mention was that for some reason people think that IM can get SS benefits, which is not true you have to go through hell to get on welfare and other programs like these. So there is no way of an IM ever really getting by the whole system. Lastly, is the misconception that they choose to come in illegally, which is by far completely wrong? Due to the process they have to go through to get here many of them can't pay the fees to file for a visa so the rest resort to breaking the law. Then you go on to say IM go on and keep breaking laws which can be very wrong considering they fear being deported and would hate to bring any attention to themselves. Sure their kids are more likely to break laws but so are any other teenagers in this country. But when u have kids who came here when they are young and live here all their life, not only have they been Americanize, which isn?t really the best thing in the world. Cause this makes them into lazy asses hence the stereotype lazy Mexican. For your solution not only is it wrong but stupid, all you are doing is promoting what the rest of the world thinks of Americans.
But if you really don?t want people coming into this country completely close off the borders. As for the people here give them what they want. But afterwards lay down some real laws that would make it impossible for any IM to live here illegally. One law would be to have the INS give all the info they got to INS. That would pretty much cover it, but let me warn you with out IM you?re looking at buying food for an outrage price simply because there isn?t cheap labor anymore to pick the fields, its not just that its in the construction biz too, not to mention putting soldiers who can shoot back to people crossing the border would help, I?m not saying to kill them im saying to give off warning shots then non lethal shots and if the soldiers are put in harms way they can shoot to kill
But with doing this you have an America that only existed up until WWI, when we kept to our own affairs and couldn?t care less what was going on in the world. Oh yea one more thing, please don?t refer to your self in the 3rd person its just makes u seem egotistical and supports bios idea of you just being racist, if you have to know how it makes you appear as in you think you are the best thing since slice bread therefore anyone else who is slice bread is ok but those who aren?t, aren?t ok.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1202.html
You don't have to read the whole thing the first few lines explain most of it. But if you don't want to read in short it says, the IRS lets this happen and just looks the other way. Another thing that I mention was that for some reason people think that IM can get SS benefits, which is not true you have to go through hell to get on welfare and other programs like these. So there is no way of an IM ever really getting by the whole system. Lastly, is the misconception that they choose to come in illegally, which is by far completely wrong? Due to the process they have to go through to get here many of them can't pay the fees to file for a visa so the rest resort to breaking the law. Then you go on to say IM go on and keep breaking laws which can be very wrong considering they fear being deported and would hate to bring any attention to themselves. Sure their kids are more likely to break laws but so are any other teenagers in this country. But when u have kids who came here when they are young and live here all their life, not only have they been Americanize, which isn?t really the best thing in the world. Cause this makes them into lazy asses hence the stereotype lazy Mexican. For your solution not only is it wrong but stupid, all you are doing is promoting what the rest of the world thinks of Americans.
But if you really don?t want people coming into this country completely close off the borders. As for the people here give them what they want. But afterwards lay down some real laws that would make it impossible for any IM to live here illegally. One law would be to have the INS give all the info they got to INS. That would pretty much cover it, but let me warn you with out IM you?re looking at buying food for an outrage price simply because there isn?t cheap labor anymore to pick the fields, its not just that its in the construction biz too, not to mention putting soldiers who can shoot back to people crossing the border would help, I?m not saying to kill them im saying to give off warning shots then non lethal shots and if the soldiers are put in harms way they can shoot to kill
But with doing this you have an America that only existed up until WWI, when we kept to our own affairs and couldn?t care less what was going on in the world. Oh yea one more thing, please don?t refer to your self in the 3rd person its just makes u seem egotistical and supports bios idea of you just being racist, if you have to know how it makes you appear as in you think you are the best thing since slice bread therefore anyone else who is slice bread is ok but those who aren?t, aren?t ok.
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Oh yea lastly none of you would've give a crap if 9/11 hadn't happen and the government started to make a deal of this.
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I'm sure alot of people cared about 9/11 before the media massed this. You are to self-centered people died there and those people had familys. So alot of people would have cared even if the media didn't mass this.
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Even though you are arguing for criminals, You have clearly explained your point of view, and you are right about the tax issue. It is legal for them to get a tax ID (since 1996), but here is some statistics that prove my point about them not paying taxes:
5,500,000 Illegal alien Tax IDs have been issued.
However... Illegal alien population (currently unknown), but according to one hypothesis, 33,134,307 Illegals living in America.
This means, we are giving illegals A CHANCE TO PAY! But aren't they paying? 33mil+, and we can only issue out 5mil, which the 5mil illegals that did get Tax ID, may have either lied, not filled it out AT all. This statistics make me sick.
Minsc now must now be put to the test, and prove that illegals are harming society, and not helping.
Because the pro-illegal alien lobby has a bottomless pit of money and can hire PR people to spin (and fabricate) anything any way, there are an undue number of myths and lies that the public (and many politicians) has bought into. The FACTS are:
1. It is NOT racist to call these people "illegal aliens" In fact, "illegal aliens" is the only term used in federal laws and regulations to describe criminals (and they ARE criminals) who come into our country illegally. They are not illegal immigrants, not undocumented immigrants, not migrant workers, and not day laborers - they're ILLEGAL ALIENS.
2. Mexico is NOT a poor country. By sending its teeming masses to our country, that status keeps on rising. Mexico has more resources per square mile than the U.S. and plenty of money to take care of its own people. Why should the taxpayers of this country subsidize Mexico's corruption?
3. Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. Lou Dobbs recently reported that 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work.
4. Illegal aliens are NOT doing work Americans won't do. What jobs won't Americans do? In most states, Americans still clean their own houses, do their own landscaping, clean hotel rooms, work in restaurants and fast food places, paint houses, DO CONSTRUCTION WORK, work in airports, etc. - just like we have the past 200 years before "our" government allowed these people to invade our country. There are 18 million Americans who cannot find a job, so illegal aliens who are coming here to work do so at peril to American workers.
5. Illegal aliens absolutely do not contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren't contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents).Some bargain, eh?
6. The economy does NOT depend on illegal aliens. Sure, greedy CEOs (making $50 to $150 MILLION a year) and business owners depend on illegal aliens, but due to #3, #4 and #5 above, the only thing illegal aliens are contributing to is the collapse of our economy and making the rich richer.
7. Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods and services will NOT soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa's "How Much Is That Tomato?" The study concludes that 'since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing /storage costs, grocers' profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 3 percent in the summer and 4 percent in the winter ... hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims.
8. Consumers are NOT benefiting from lower labor costs. Again, it's CEOs and business owners who benefit from taxpayer subsidies for their illegal alien workers. The Big Three automakers say they moved so many jobs to Mexico because their labor costs are 80 percent less than in America. Anybody notice the price of new cars spiraling downward under NAFTA?
So, before you believe the prevalent pack of lies perpetuated by the illegal alien lobby, which makes billions off this government-sanctioned criminal activity, ask yourself who's saying this garbage and look at what they have to gain. Citizens Against Illegal Immigration, just like Protect Arizona NOW, is an all-volunteer, totally grass-roots organization of citizens who are making nothing and have nothing personal to gain from their efforts to fight this corruption. Whose side are you on, and what are YOU doing to save your state and country from this evil?
You sir, are going to make a lot of enemies, with that kind of attitude. 9/11 has nothing to do with Illegal Immigration policies of America, it was done by a world-wide terrorist group, that strikes multiple countries, they could care less about our border hoppers.
Thank you, and good-day.
5,500,000 Illegal alien Tax IDs have been issued.
However... Illegal alien population (currently unknown), but according to one hypothesis, 33,134,307 Illegals living in America.
This means, we are giving illegals A CHANCE TO PAY! But aren't they paying? 33mil+, and we can only issue out 5mil, which the 5mil illegals that did get Tax ID, may have either lied, not filled it out AT all. This statistics make me sick.
Minsc now must now be put to the test, and prove that illegals are harming society, and not helping.
Because the pro-illegal alien lobby has a bottomless pit of money and can hire PR people to spin (and fabricate) anything any way, there are an undue number of myths and lies that the public (and many politicians) has bought into. The FACTS are:
1. It is NOT racist to call these people "illegal aliens" In fact, "illegal aliens" is the only term used in federal laws and regulations to describe criminals (and they ARE criminals) who come into our country illegally. They are not illegal immigrants, not undocumented immigrants, not migrant workers, and not day laborers - they're ILLEGAL ALIENS.
2. Mexico is NOT a poor country. By sending its teeming masses to our country, that status keeps on rising. Mexico has more resources per square mile than the U.S. and plenty of money to take care of its own people. Why should the taxpayers of this country subsidize Mexico's corruption?
3. Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. Lou Dobbs recently reported that 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work.
4. Illegal aliens are NOT doing work Americans won't do. What jobs won't Americans do? In most states, Americans still clean their own houses, do their own landscaping, clean hotel rooms, work in restaurants and fast food places, paint houses, DO CONSTRUCTION WORK, work in airports, etc. - just like we have the past 200 years before "our" government allowed these people to invade our country. There are 18 million Americans who cannot find a job, so illegal aliens who are coming here to work do so at peril to American workers.
5. Illegal aliens absolutely do not contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren't contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents).Some bargain, eh?
6. The economy does NOT depend on illegal aliens. Sure, greedy CEOs (making $50 to $150 MILLION a year) and business owners depend on illegal aliens, but due to #3, #4 and #5 above, the only thing illegal aliens are contributing to is the collapse of our economy and making the rich richer.
7. Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods and services will NOT soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa's "How Much Is That Tomato?" The study concludes that 'since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing /storage costs, grocers' profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 3 percent in the summer and 4 percent in the winter ... hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims.
8. Consumers are NOT benefiting from lower labor costs. Again, it's CEOs and business owners who benefit from taxpayer subsidies for their illegal alien workers. The Big Three automakers say they moved so many jobs to Mexico because their labor costs are 80 percent less than in America. Anybody notice the price of new cars spiraling downward under NAFTA?
So, before you believe the prevalent pack of lies perpetuated by the illegal alien lobby, which makes billions off this government-sanctioned criminal activity, ask yourself who's saying this garbage and look at what they have to gain. Citizens Against Illegal Immigration, just like Protect Arizona NOW, is an all-volunteer, totally grass-roots organization of citizens who are making nothing and have nothing personal to gain from their efforts to fight this corruption. Whose side are you on, and what are YOU doing to save your state and country from this evil?
Oh yea lastly none of you would've give a crap if 9/11 hadn't happen and the government started to make a deal of this.
You sir, are going to make a lot of enemies, with that kind of attitude. 9/11 has nothing to do with Illegal Immigration policies of America, it was done by a world-wide terrorist group, that strikes multiple countries, they could care less about our border hoppers.
Thank you, and good-day.
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Oh yea lastly none of you would've give a crap if 9/11 hadn't happen and the government started to make a deal of this.
You sir, are going to make a lot of enemies, with that kind of attitude. 9/11 has nothing to do with Illegal Immigration policies of America, it was done by a world-wide terrorist group, that strikes multiple countries, they could care less about our border hoppers.
Agreed.
Oh yea lastly none of you would've give a crap if 9/11 hadn't happen and the government started to make a deal of this.
You sir, are going to make a lot of enemies, with that kind of attitude. 9/11 has nothing to do with Illegal Immigration policies of America, it was done by a world-wide terrorist group, that strikes multiple countries, they could care less about our border hoppers.
Agreed.
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I will say I'm sorry about the 9/11 comment but what I meant to say was that no one ever really pay any attention to it till people mention if IM can get in so can terrorist. About IM being part of the economy is true since CEO have money to dish out they will keep paying to make sure they have IM to work for them for lower prices, so if you want to get rid of IM all together maybe you should not just complain about the bottom of the pit and rather start at the top which I will gladly help you do but, i do not agree sending these IM back will solve the issue, another thing is have you ever really been to Mexico you have probably seen the best parts of it. But to your dismay the IM that come from Mexico aren't exactly the top of the food chain. Not to mention anything else but I never said, Mexico is poor i said these people are. These are your IM they are the ones that don't have the funds to pay for the legal way. So they border hop in hopes that they can have a better life. As for the ones in prison I could care less for them, they have no respect for anyone and should be sent back, which is why if we do offer any type of worker program. Using massive background checks to root out the people who will only cause trouble and aren't here to work. Last the tax ID we should reward those who follow the rules as much as they can and punish those who don't, if for instance they have been paying taxes since they arrive giving them a lesser fee would be nice, of course assuming they pass the background check and vice versa if they haven't been paying taxes. So In turn i think we should look for a compromise in this whole issue rather then just take a complete side to it, and hell if it will make you feel better about protecting our borders then milatrize it. But it won't do anything till you fix the CEO's who just want to keep making money anyway possible. By the way I'm sure losing all that work force would have some sort of effect both bad and good. And both sides of the issue tend to bend facts both their ways.
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sero321 wrote...
I will say I'm sorry about the 9/11 comment but what I meant to say was that no one ever really pay any attention to it till people mention if IM can get in so can terrorist. Illegal immigration has been a hot button topic around here since long before 2001. At least here, in texas, the debate has generally been more of an issue of people feeling one side or another isn't fair and people just needing a scapegoat, which illegal immigrants make a perfect one for many.
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Illegal aliens is everywhere. In my dorm room, there's four roommates including me. Two of the roommates is in fact, children of illegal aliens who snuck over the border. I wont say names.
But i have heard stories of cops shooting at illegal aliens who tried to cross the border and got killed. Which's like wow ouch. It has however made me realize how widespread it is, in fact I can guess about maybe 60%-80% of the mexicans i see is illegal aliens. <_<
If people want to stop it, currently the action is too much talking and lacking the walk.
Edit: one more thing, my parents is legal immigrants, they entered via new york like during the cold war era something like 1960s my dad waited a year before getting to move in with a green card. My mom who my dad met when he visited his home country married my dad and moved to usa together.
I would like it that illegal alien stop getting to enter, unless they need refuge. And enter the legal way like my parents did.
That or marry some american tourist lol.
But i have heard stories of cops shooting at illegal aliens who tried to cross the border and got killed. Which's like wow ouch. It has however made me realize how widespread it is, in fact I can guess about maybe 60%-80% of the mexicans i see is illegal aliens. <_<
If people want to stop it, currently the action is too much talking and lacking the walk.
Edit: one more thing, my parents is legal immigrants, they entered via new york like during the cold war era something like 1960s my dad waited a year before getting to move in with a green card. My mom who my dad met when he visited his home country married my dad and moved to usa together.
I would like it that illegal alien stop getting to enter, unless they need refuge. And enter the legal way like my parents did.
That or marry some american tourist lol.