In regards to CNN's Story About Rapelay, thoughts?
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/03/30/japan.video.game.rape/index.html?hpt=C2
The above URL refers to a story by CNN about Hentai games, particularly focusing on the game "Rapelay."
Here is my take:
The "women rights groups" should consider the views of women who don't share the same beliefs. I personally don't see the problem with games and I enjoy them with friends. Even some of these "Hentai" games, I enjoy with friends. Why? While there are many without a high quality, there are many high quality "Hentai" games.
KEY did: Kanon, AIR, and CLANNAD.
Type-Moon did: Fate/Stay Night, Tsukihime, Melty Blood.
Circus did: Da Capo.
Peach Princess did: Brave Soul, Yume Miru Kusuri, Snow Drop. (I might be wrong about Peach Princess doing these)
I could go on, but I'm only stating a few of the really nice ones that I share with friends.
Saying that you can't make these rape Hentai games because of their themes is, in my opinion, rather biased since "rape" isn't allowed, but murdering people, stealing from people, etc. is? Perhaps people complain that it is an adult game with rape, but what is the difference between that and a game with graphic violence depicting relatively realistic violence and loved by countless Americans as well as various people from around the world?
Which is worse? Murder or Rape? Are they not both crimes? Then why are games such as Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, Battlefield, allowed? Why are there movies that depict rape, theft, murder, and other crimes? Why are they not being banned?
If you ban one, it is unfair to only ban one and not ban all of them. Japan at least made a ban on everything where there cannot be genitalia. Asking for a specific ban is similar to saying "Oh, killing one person is bad, but killing hundreds of people is ok." Perhaps that isn't a great example, but it is still an example. Perhaps a more relative example (though still more extreme), would be "What Hitler did was bad, but wiping out all life on Earth is ok"
Personally, my belief is that if you don't want it, don't buy it. Most stores nowadays have the respect of not selling Mature games to people without IDs and it is doubtful that they'd sell Adult games without an ID. That would mean that the parent or another adult would need to give their permission for buying the game.
And is it not better to have it at least known so that people have an idea of what to watch out for, instead of suppressing it. I'd personally rather see a criminal steal from me so that I could report them to the police than have them have so much practice hiding from people that I never even notice that they are there.
And I know Christians will probably complain. However, from what I understand, their God gave us free will. It is our choice of whether or not we watch or play such things.
-I apologize if this has already been posted about, if it has, sorry, but I didn't see this topic on the forums.
The above URL refers to a story by CNN about Hentai games, particularly focusing on the game "Rapelay."
Here is my take:
The "women rights groups" should consider the views of women who don't share the same beliefs. I personally don't see the problem with games and I enjoy them with friends. Even some of these "Hentai" games, I enjoy with friends. Why? While there are many without a high quality, there are many high quality "Hentai" games.
KEY did: Kanon, AIR, and CLANNAD.
Type-Moon did: Fate/Stay Night, Tsukihime, Melty Blood.
Circus did: Da Capo.
Peach Princess did: Brave Soul, Yume Miru Kusuri, Snow Drop. (I might be wrong about Peach Princess doing these)
I could go on, but I'm only stating a few of the really nice ones that I share with friends.
Saying that you can't make these rape Hentai games because of their themes is, in my opinion, rather biased since "rape" isn't allowed, but murdering people, stealing from people, etc. is? Perhaps people complain that it is an adult game with rape, but what is the difference between that and a game with graphic violence depicting relatively realistic violence and loved by countless Americans as well as various people from around the world?
Which is worse? Murder or Rape? Are they not both crimes? Then why are games such as Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, Battlefield, allowed? Why are there movies that depict rape, theft, murder, and other crimes? Why are they not being banned?
If you ban one, it is unfair to only ban one and not ban all of them. Japan at least made a ban on everything where there cannot be genitalia. Asking for a specific ban is similar to saying "Oh, killing one person is bad, but killing hundreds of people is ok." Perhaps that isn't a great example, but it is still an example. Perhaps a more relative example (though still more extreme), would be "What Hitler did was bad, but wiping out all life on Earth is ok"
Personally, my belief is that if you don't want it, don't buy it. Most stores nowadays have the respect of not selling Mature games to people without IDs and it is doubtful that they'd sell Adult games without an ID. That would mean that the parent or another adult would need to give their permission for buying the game.
And is it not better to have it at least known so that people have an idea of what to watch out for, instead of suppressing it. I'd personally rather see a criminal steal from me so that I could report them to the police than have them have so much practice hiding from people that I never even notice that they are there.
And I know Christians will probably complain. However, from what I understand, their God gave us free will. It is our choice of whether or not we watch or play such things.
-I apologize if this has already been posted about, if it has, sorry, but I didn't see this topic on the forums.
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Kind of Important
A ray of Tsunlight.
Funny that games like this have been around forever. Where the hell has CNN been?
And, also, fuck them. If we wanna play this, we will, simple as that. Any complaining religious folk can fuck off, and so can anyone else who takes this beyond what it is: A game.
But really, you also have to understand the cultures of each of the countries. Shit like CoD, Battlefield and the like are fine, cause our society is just fine with guns, killing etc thanks to having been exposed to it all the time in movies and such. As I understand sexual things have a simillar status in Japan, most shit not really being insulting at all.
And, also, fuck them. If we wanna play this, we will, simple as that. Any complaining religious folk can fuck off, and so can anyone else who takes this beyond what it is: A game.
But really, you also have to understand the cultures of each of the countries. Shit like CoD, Battlefield and the like are fine, cause our society is just fine with guns, killing etc thanks to having been exposed to it all the time in movies and such. As I understand sexual things have a simillar status in Japan, most shit not really being insulting at all.
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Rape is a serious problem. The women's movement has too much tunnel vision. One year rape, next underpaid, next year other discrimination.
The problem, the women's movement, is the common sense education of everyone. What is the percentage of rapists act on their desires after watching Rapely?
I see more problems from the long years of porno movies and rumors that morons spread that this woman is easy. Other morons decide lets go after this woman, in actuality this woman has never done anything except rebuke the first moron's advances.
In the late 70's and early 80's, there were hundreds of movies similar to this theme, "I Spit on Your Grave". An innocent woman, a writer went to a rural cabin, to finish her novel and the rural shitasses went medieval rape on her. She ended up killing most or all of them.
I have watch these so called normal movies at the regular cinemas. It was years later, the women's movement led an attack on movies and TV speical showing rape especially on the soap operas.
Rapists have been around before these movies and these video games so what will the women's movement do; hunt down all the rapists.
I believe they can make the situation worst. Education is the beginning but how long will it take. Who will learn?
The problem, the women's movement, is the common sense education of everyone. What is the percentage of rapists act on their desires after watching Rapely?
I see more problems from the long years of porno movies and rumors that morons spread that this woman is easy. Other morons decide lets go after this woman, in actuality this woman has never done anything except rebuke the first moron's advances.
In the late 70's and early 80's, there were hundreds of movies similar to this theme, "I Spit on Your Grave". An innocent woman, a writer went to a rural cabin, to finish her novel and the rural shitasses went medieval rape on her. She ended up killing most or all of them.
I have watch these so called normal movies at the regular cinemas. It was years later, the women's movement led an attack on movies and TV speical showing rape especially on the soap operas.
Rapists have been around before these movies and these video games so what will the women's movement do; hunt down all the rapists.
I believe they can make the situation worst. Education is the beginning but how long will it take. Who will learn?
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I think it's funny when people get so upset about something, and then all their yelling only realy leads to the object of their hate becoming more well known.
also, there was a subtle shot at the esrb system we have here. implying that self regulation* led to rape games. thats how i saw it anyway.
add:i never heard of this game until saw this;P
[size=10]*in the video from the link when she said the gov was looking into it.[/h]
also, there was a subtle shot at the esrb system we have here. implying that self regulation* led to rape games. thats how i saw it anyway.
add:i never heard of this game until saw this;P
[size=10]*in the video from the link when she said the gov was looking into it.[/h]
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I don't see this game as a problem, i think it could be a form of release for people who have these kind of fantasies.
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Its just a game, if you dont like the content, dont play it, Its not real and it does not bother many people.
Its what the masses want and from that they will create a game to make the money and I see no problem with that.
If they ban this they should ban All war games, because it is the same thing pretty much.
Is knifing someone in the head or shooting someones brains out not as bad as rape? No, there is no difference.
Its what the masses want and from that they will create a game to make the money and I see no problem with that.
If they ban this they should ban All war games, because it is the same thing pretty much.
Is knifing someone in the head or shooting someones brains out not as bad as rape? No, there is no difference.
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I am pretty much going to say the same thing everyone is saying. Nevertheless, what gets me mad is how the spokes women taina bien-aime insisted that games of these types should be outright banned’ Who are you to tell another country who’s culture is obviously very different from are own how to police there entertainment industry? I understand that some of the content of game is very, questionable. However, as far as I am concerned, it is in the same category as any game made by rock star games. Hell, I would go as far as calling it the Japanese equivalent of manhunt
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Kind of Important wrote...
Funny that games like this have been around forever. Where the hell has CNN been?in today's day and age, only so many stories are flying around. i guess CNN must have run out to start covering crap from another country, but i think they specifically picked hentai out of all things since it is the most controversial, and thus draws more viewers, probably
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kros wrote...
Kind of Important wrote...
Funny that games like this have been around forever. Where the hell has CNN been?in today's day and age, only so many stories are flying around. i guess CNN must have run out to start covering crap from another country, but i think they specifically picked hentai out of all things since it is the most controversial, and thus draws more viewers, probably
That is probably true. They were very one-sided with their choice since they neglected to cover a lot of the other genres of Hentai. They focused on the worst instead of making a fair, unbiased report. Of course, that is just how news has been progressing recently. I won't go in depth into that though.
But it would have made a much more reasonable story had they actually talked about the more gentle and very heart-warming Hentai games and animation and such. Yet, they truly neglected to put any real focus on it, instead allowing it to sound as if all hentai was like "Rapelay"
Rapelay isn't even a recent game. In fact, it is pretty old. But they haven't even shown some of the REALLY messed up stuff that is out there. And guess what? American films show those things just fine.
And I know someone somewhere mentioned that with books and movies don't let you choose how many times you rape a person and how. Sure you can! With a book, just keep re-reading that section. Re-watch with a porn film. It is really no different in that regard since you choose "which method" and "how many times".
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Porn is what's keeping people from being rapists, these women should be thankful we have something that enable us to let our inner rapist deprive on. CNN can go eat shit, all the news talk about is most likely crap that no one bothers with but can make a good hit.
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I just finished watching this story and came right here to talk about it.
As a female, I completely agree with many in the forum that it's just an "ideal" game. Rape isn't cool... but neither is murder, war, stealing, whatever. But you know this will turn into a hypocritical debate. Women will say rape is worse than murder (yeah, I know) and the government will start arresting people. You think I'm crazy... look at this
2003 Protect Act:
Any person who... knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—
(1) (A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) is obscene; or
(2) (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value... shall be subject to the penalties provided...
(c) Nonrequired Element of Offense.— It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exist.
As a female, I completely agree with many in the forum that it's just an "ideal" game. Rape isn't cool... but neither is murder, war, stealing, whatever. But you know this will turn into a hypocritical debate. Women will say rape is worse than murder (yeah, I know) and the government will start arresting people. You think I'm crazy... look at this
2003 Protect Act:
Any person who... knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—
(1) (A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) is obscene; or
(2) (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value... shall be subject to the penalties provided...
(c) Nonrequired Element of Offense.— It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exist.
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They're the same type that react negatively to anime.
It's just that they ain't used to it. If these guys have all been watching hentai as we have, they wouldn't even bat an eyelid to RapeLay. But they're simply making judgments on the game and on the people based solely on the game's theme.
It's just that they ain't used to it. If these guys have all been watching hentai as we have, they wouldn't even bat an eyelid to RapeLay. But they're simply making judgments on the game and on the people based solely on the game's theme.
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rukia92 wrote...
2003 Protect Act:
Any person who... knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—
(1) (A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) is obscene; or
(2) (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value... shall be subject to the penalties provided...
(c) Nonrequired Element of Offense.— It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exist.
of course, because the executive branch obviously has the ability to invade our privacy and find out if we actually have these "visual depictions".
its not like they really care imo. just a waste of taxpayer money. should probably use it to plate congress chairs in gold.
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rukia92 wrote...
(B) is obscene;
in Latin obscenus, meaning "foul, repulsive, detestable"
that is a subjective term. what one might find obscene, another might find mundane or normal.
rukia92 wrote...
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.again, a subjective idea. people say jackson pollack was an artist, i say his 'art' is just a drop cloth.
x-gen wrote...
They're the same type that react negatively to anime.many people seem to think all animation is aimed at children. my mom once told me 'cartoons are supposed to be funny', i was watching a dramatic anime at the time. some people mock me for watching cartoons, saying it's childish.
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At least CNN's poll has been pretty much shot down by various people of an anonymous type, 82% say no. "Should video games that contain contentious themes such as rape be banned?"
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What I dislike is how BDSM has been categorically reduced to the worst common denominator. In many mainstream movies, books, TV shows, etc...people with a BDSM fetish inevitably turn out to be rapists, murderers, etc. Its aggravating to say the least.
As others have said, why should games with this theme be any more dangerous than games which depict murder or other forms of violence. If you think that a video game turns an otherwise normal person into a murderer, rapist, or something else.....well then.....you really have no understanding of pathological psychosis.
That being said...anything the industry can do to clean itself up and protect against exposure to minors is a good thing. But outlawing the games will only make them more prolific. Some of the stuff is crazy though....the folks who came up with Bondage Game, for example, could use some time in a padded room.
I think its going to blow over....most Americans have the attention span of gerbils when it comes to news items like this. Besides, its not like you can get these games at Walmart.
As others have said, why should games with this theme be any more dangerous than games which depict murder or other forms of violence. If you think that a video game turns an otherwise normal person into a murderer, rapist, or something else.....well then.....you really have no understanding of pathological psychosis.
That being said...anything the industry can do to clean itself up and protect against exposure to minors is a good thing. But outlawing the games will only make them more prolific. Some of the stuff is crazy though....the folks who came up with Bondage Game, for example, could use some time in a padded room.
I think its going to blow over....most Americans have the attention span of gerbils when it comes to news items like this. Besides, its not like you can get these games at Walmart.
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What them women-rights activists are failing to understand is that, if you take away our right to fake rape, there is a greater chance that real rape will occur.
Without a proper channel for us to release in, you know that it's going to suddenly push some guy over the edge. He'll be walking along some neighbourhood one night, see some skirt, and allasudden all that pent-up sperm stress is going to get the better of him.
Without a proper channel for us to release in, you know that it's going to suddenly push some guy over the edge. He'll be walking along some neighbourhood one night, see some skirt, and allasudden all that pent-up sperm stress is going to get the better of him.
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PumpJack McGee wrote...
What them women-rights activists are failing to understand is that, if you take away our right to fake rape, there is a greater chance that real rape will occur.Without a proper channel for us to release in, you know that it's going to suddenly push some guy over the edge. He'll be walking along some neighbourhood one night, see some skirt, and allasudden all that pent-up sperm stress is going to get the better of him.
I agree. This will also reduce the number of men that could possibly suffer intense pain from the bear trap, even it is a very, very slim chance.
http://nlaq.com/vaginal-bear-trap-protects-women-against-rape-55/
The anti-rape female condom (aka vaginal bear trap) was invented by Sonette Ehlers, a South African woman. It is intended to prevent rape by hooking onto an attacker’s penis, hurting and disabling him.
The device is a latex tube fitted internally with shafts of sharp, inward-facing plastic barbs that could be worn by a woman in her vagina, similar to a tampon. Should an attacker attempt vaginal rape, the penis would be hooked by the barbs, causing the attacker pain and giving the victim time to escape. The condom would remain attached to the attacker’s penis and, according to the device’s creator, could be removed only surgically, which would alert hospital staff and police that an attempted rape could have taken place.
Furthermore, the device’s inventor believes that the very existence of the device in over-the-counter stores could also act as a deterrent by creating the possibility in a potential rapist’s mind that victims might be using it. However, the fact that a man was injured by the device would not in and of itself mean he was a rapist, due to the possibility of abuse of the device.
The device is a latex tube fitted internally with shafts of sharp, inward-facing plastic barbs that could be worn by a woman in her vagina, similar to a tampon. Should an attacker attempt vaginal rape, the penis would be hooked by the barbs, causing the attacker pain and giving the victim time to escape. The condom would remain attached to the attacker’s penis and, according to the device’s creator, could be removed only surgically, which would alert hospital staff and police that an attempted rape could have taken place.
Furthermore, the device’s inventor believes that the very existence of the device in over-the-counter stores could also act as a deterrent by creating the possibility in a potential rapist’s mind that victims might be using it. However, the fact that a man was injured by the device would not in and of itself mean he was a rapist, due to the possibility of abuse of the device.
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AyaMikuko wrote...
KEY did: Kanon, AIR, and CLANNAD.
Type-Moon did: Fate/Stay Night, Tsukihime, Melty Blood.
Circus did: Da Capo.
Peach Princess did: Brave Soul, Yume Miru Kusuri, Snow Drop. (I might be wrong about Peach Princess doing these)
CLANNAD and Melty Blood aren't hentai though..... :)
And I, personally, thought that CNN really don't have anything worth to be broadcasted at the time..... After all, really, is Rapelay is as important than any other global issues....?
If they don't like Rapelay and other hentais, they can just not playing it, no one will force them to.... (In normal circumstances) '=_=