Is It Ok To Hate A Group

First, cops and people who kill in self-defense don't "murder." The terms kill and murder are not the same. Murder is usually defined as intentional and unlawful killing of another person. So, cops and soldiers aren't murderers (well, depends on the context, but generally, they're not murderers).

Second, I don't think you understand what "insanity" is. Insanity isn't waking up one day with the urge to kill somebody. Insanity isn't the ability to kill one person, forget about it, and kill another person. Insanity is seeing things that aren't there and hearing voices that aren't there. When signs of that appear, a person should get help, no matter what. Not getting help is effectively saying, "I take responsibility for all my actions after this point, because I should have been more responsible." If a guy hears a demon telling him to shoot people, and he doesn't go to a doctor, then it's just like if a guy put a loaded gun on a table where his four-year-old could easily get it. the child may be the one who picks up the gun and shoots his mother, but the man is the one who's going to be blamed.

wow. hit the nail right on the head there sparky.

Ok the def of murder has the word unlawful in it so I guess it depends on what killing is lawful? Mmmmmmmh?



Oh there's nothing better than when a person says I don't think you understand what _______ is when they are wrong.

Though maybe you did not get what I ment. I ment the Law's definition of insanity.


So that means.... Well go back to my last post no point in posting it again.

I don't think you really understand the broad spectrum of what insanity actually is. People can wake up one day and suffer from a mental illness, it can be triggered by a traumatic event in their lives. It is not always a slow-build up that can be measured and controlled.



If someone is a sociopath then they have no empathy. They have no reason to turn themselves in, or to seek help. If they enjoy seeing someone in pain, why would they they say or do anything that could lead to them being imprisoned, or unable to achieve the same pleasure ever again?

I'm generalizing here but these are the people who would fall under the banner of Antisocial or Dissocial personality disorders, Though both tend to correlate to genetic predisposition, Sociopaths tend to behave in this way because of the experiences they have had in their life, or the way they were raised, while it is believed Psychopaths are more inclined due to hereditary aspects.



The second type of insanity you mentioned is generally associated with varying degrees of psychosis. Psychosis is associated with loss of contact with reality and thus cannot be dealt with in the same way that you would deal with someone with DSPD. In some cases the symptoms will be minor and the person will be able to seek help, but in many cases they will not be able to do so.

If a person has lost contact with reality, through no fault of their own then they cannot be blamed for the actions they take. To ignore insanity as a viable reason to waive punishment is ridiculous.

If someone is seeing an entirely different world to the one you or I see, then they cannot be blamed for their actions. In a sense they would be taking logical actions, just in a space which is outside of our own understanding. To try and punish someone like this; would be barbaric.

Although Psychopath, and Schizophrenic both fall within the category of someone who has a mental disorder, they are by no means the same. In both cases they are not the subject's fault - it is an illness and should be treated as such.

Insanity can lead to some hard-to-discuss areas.

While a person may lack empathy or rationality because of mental illness, is that person still not responsible for his/her actions? Perhaps the person shouldn't be thrown in prison, but the person should still be punished. But the question was, is it okay to hate people who kill because of mental illness, and I think the answer is still "Yes." Why take pity on a person who can't feel empathy or think rationally? The person wouldn't care whether or not people hated him/her, right?

I saw a program about killers recently, and the program showed footage of the BTK killer standing in court, saying that he would definitely go to prison for years, and he was remorseless. It was like he didn't even care; his going to prison was the logical conclusion, and he had reached that conclusion by himself. If he understands that what he did was wrong (according to society's laws, if not his own), then he should be held responsible for his crimes. Part of being responsible is being hated by people, especially the families of the victims.

Changing the subject and back-tracking a little, I notice that you didn't say anything about hating child molesters, GinIchimaru_09. I mentioned those as well as murderers, and child molesters can't ever really be excused for being mentally unstable. So, to get back to the original topic, is it not okay to hate the group that molests children?

Also, what if the group of murderers was modifed to, "murderers who weren't insane"? Is it not okay to hate murderers who aren't insane?

I wouldn't say it was right to treat those who aren't responsible for their actions (those with severe mental illness) in the same way as you would treat someone who was not mentally ill. It is the mental illness that drives these people to do things where others would not, therefore they are not responsible for their own actions. In the same way you would not prosecute a mentally handicapped person for say; flailing his/her arms about and causing someone injury.

In the case of Sociopaths etc.; They feel no remorse, and cannot distinguish between right and wrong. They could still comprehend that there was a law against something, and that by breaking it, they could be subjected to the corresponding punishment. However they would view the law with the same disdain as you or I would view a law prohibiting walking.

As for people who suffer from psychosis, if they are suffering from hallucinations, they may have no comprehension of how their actions are affecting the material world. They may stab someone without realizing it, and be genuinely innocent.

In either case, if they did not suffer from the illness, they would not have committed the crime. By saying it's okay to hate them it's like saying it's okay to hate an innocent man.

I was wondering what the rest of you consider the definition of hate to be?

As far as judging people on what they are categorized as, I believe it is wrong to a certain extend.....I mean if your opposed to someone's sexuality I think you should still be kind to that certain person and not have a cruel attitude towards that person and if you find that you hate it too much then stop your contact with that group of person instead of slinging harsh comments about them.

I've been judged on my skin color often and it makes me sick that humans can be so un-accepting....Sorry if this has turned into a rant, it's just something I feel strongly about.