[Locked] Lang's two cents
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I am also one of those who can't get going to rape-hentai. I find real violence in general to be a real turn off and I can't stand seeing a character I knowing being raped.
Yet I have a hard time relating to rape victims, and I couldn't care about strangers being raped even If I wanted to. This means there is a huge loophole in my anti-rape policy, as long as it is through mental dominance or crushing the victims spirits so bad they offer no resistance, and the victims themselves are just Rapevictims, nothing else.
Also, I find it unfair to view rape as harshly as most of you seem to do. It is a common strategy among mammal males, as females have to bear the burden of pregnancy, so they have to be careful and choose an alphamale, whereas the males will want as many females as possible to increase their chances. There goes the pancakes again.
That may be why rape is such a common crime, and this ordinarity may be why people hate it so much in comparison to other crimes. If you killed the rapist, you would have done something far worse then just having sex with someone against their will. Yet this is viewed as morally correct.
I think the cause for all this is the established view of rape, not the act itself. Because It is viewed as such a inhumane act, it angers people more then it should. And because it is viewed with such disgust, it makes the victims feel worse.
The victims could just be careful not to anger the rapist, then get an abortion if needed, no harm done.
While I may be going beyond the limits of my personal experience when talking about how the victims should behave, I can not imagine how it would help people who are mentally unstable due to rape to have a whole world telling them how horrible rape is. It may be comforting, but it certainly is not helping when trying to settle with the past.
Yet I have a hard time relating to rape victims, and I couldn't care about strangers being raped even If I wanted to. This means there is a huge loophole in my anti-rape policy, as long as it is through mental dominance or crushing the victims spirits so bad they offer no resistance, and the victims themselves are just Rapevictims, nothing else.
Also, I find it unfair to view rape as harshly as most of you seem to do. It is a common strategy among mammal males, as females have to bear the burden of pregnancy, so they have to be careful and choose an alphamale, whereas the males will want as many females as possible to increase their chances. There goes the pancakes again.
That may be why rape is such a common crime, and this ordinarity may be why people hate it so much in comparison to other crimes. If you killed the rapist, you would have done something far worse then just having sex with someone against their will. Yet this is viewed as morally correct.
I think the cause for all this is the established view of rape, not the act itself. Because It is viewed as such a inhumane act, it angers people more then it should. And because it is viewed with such disgust, it makes the victims feel worse.
The victims could just be careful not to anger the rapist, then get an abortion if needed, no harm done.
While I may be going beyond the limits of my personal experience when talking about how the victims should behave, I can not imagine how it would help people who are mentally unstable due to rape to have a whole world telling them how horrible rape is. It may be comforting, but it certainly is not helping when trying to settle with the past.
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
dålif wrote...
I am also one of those who can't get going to rape-hentai. I find real violence in general to be a real turn off and I can't stand seeing a character I knowing being raped. Yet I have a hard time relating to rape victims, and I couldn't care about strangers being raped even If I wanted to. This means there is a huge loophole in my anti-rape policy, as long as it is through mental dominance or crushing the victims spirits so bad they offer no resistance, and the victims themselves are just Rapevictims, nothing else.
Also, I find it unfair to view rape as harshly as most of you seem to do. It is a common strategy among mammal males, as females have to bear the burden of pregnancy, so they have to be careful and choose an alphamale, whereas the males will want as many females as possible to increase their chances. There goes the pancakes again.
That may be why rape is such a common crime, and this ordinarity may be why people hate it so much in comparison to other crimes. If you killed the rapist, you would have done something far worse then just having sex with someone against their will. Yet this is viewed as morally correct.
I think the cause for all this is the established view of rape, not the act itself. Because It is viewed as such a inhumane act, it angers people more then it should. And because it is viewed with such disgust, it makes the victims feel worse.
The victims could just be careful not to anger the rapist, then get an abortion if needed, no harm done.
While I may be going beyond the limits of my personal experience when talking about how the victims should behave, I can not imagine how it would help people who are mentally unstable due to rape to have a whole world telling them how horrible rape is. It may be comforting, but it certainly is not helping when trying to settle with the past.
maybe that explains Chuu, he's simply mentally handicapped...
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@Aion Crux
Yeah I know we're country mate and all but...... some of your remarks are...
kinda plain dumb... sorry...
I still love you though brother...
I will never -rep you no matter what...
I mean without you, FAKKU debates wouldn't be so.... er, hot?
@Everybody else
My stance on rapes are: I'll help the chick... I'm a very dangerous person myself...
I really hate to resort to violence, but when I do, which is a rare, raaaare thing...
I'll fight brutally...
I can even skinned people with my barehand..... yes I can...
Yeah I know we're country mate and all but...... some of your remarks are...
kinda plain dumb... sorry...
I still love you though brother...
I will never -rep you no matter what...
I mean without you, FAKKU debates wouldn't be so.... er, hot?
@Everybody else
My stance on rapes are: I'll help the chick... I'm a very dangerous person myself...
I really hate to resort to violence, but when I do, which is a rare, raaaare thing...
I'll fight brutally...
I can even skinned people with my barehand..... yes I can...
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Hinata`s Pimp AKA lil`Von wrote...
no you cntWell maybe not skinned... more like ripped...
I know the tricks to it... been done it to an adult goat... (poor sod)...
But I really hate unreasonable violence... so you won't be seeing me doing that..... often...
When I fight, I fight with a very good reasons, and I fight to the end...
Well, enough of that... I don't like it when we discussed about my past brutality...
*sigh* maybe I shouldn't mention about the skin... sorry y'all...
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Aion Crux
Banned
Net_Spectator wrote...
@Aion CruxI mean without you, FAKKU debates wouldn't be so.... er, hot?
you can smell something burn,and a pressence of flame if i get into serious topic.
it's not me that caused it,but un-matured peoples who gets offended by statement and logic.
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Aion Crux wrote...
Net_Spectator wrote...
@Aion CruxI mean without you, FAKKU debates wouldn't be so.... er, hot?
you can smell something burn,and a pressence of flame if i get into serious topic.
it's not me that caused it,but un-matured peoples who gets offended by statement and logic.
The word is immature not un-mature...
I'll be fair, sometimes...... well maybe many times... you got them provoked first with your statements, which is 'a bit' crossing the border...
People here might be perverts, but most of them are trying not to cross the borderline... at least I think that's what Jacob wants it to be...
Be a pervert, but don't go and push it...
Well, maybe...
I'm not saying you never made a good points, you did and I like it when you do...
And speaking of rape...
In case you haven't notice... you and I live in Indonesia, a country where the masses beat up thieves and burglars... at one time, they even burn them with gasoline (prepared in nearby 'warung')... remember 11 May?
What do you think will happened to a rapist who got caught redhanded?
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Aion Crux
Banned
Net_Spectator wrote...
And speaking of rape...In case you haven't notice... you and I live in Indonesia, a country where the masses beat up thieves and burglars... at one time, they even burn them with gasoline (prepared in nearby 'warung')... remember 11 May?
What do you think will happened to a rapist who got caught redhanded?
that's what i think too.
like i said before,think before action. dont instantly go to beat the rapist,but think about it before action.
it's better to call police than acting by ourself.
if we instantly goes to beat the rapist,other people might do the same and that'll cause a chaos. the rapist will gets killed if the peoples overdo it.
the same case also appears in our country when mass peoples beats a pickpocket.
unfortunately,the target is wrong. so they mistakenly beat innocent people who they think as a pickpocket.
as a common people,we dont have a right to judge and act as we like.
leave the problem to police. they're the hand of justice,and that's why police is created.
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Net_Spectator wrote...
Hinata`s Pimp AKA lil`Von wrote...
no you cntWell maybe not skinned... more like ripped...
I know the tricks to it... been done it to an adult goat... (poor sod)...
But I really hate unreasonable violence... so you won't be seeing me doing that..... often...
When I fight, I fight with a very good reasons, and I fight to the end...
Well, enough of that... I don't like it when we discussed about my past brutality...
*sigh* maybe I shouldn't mention about the skin... sorry y'all...
wow dude, keep that shit to yourself please.
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Aion Crux wrote...
Net_Spectator wrote...
And speaking of rape...In case you haven't notice... you and I live in Indonesia, a country where the masses beat up thieves and burglars... at one time, they even burn them with gasoline (prepared in nearby 'warung')... remember 11 May?
What do you think will happened to a rapist who got caught redhanded?
that's what i think too.
like i said before,think before action. dont instantly go to beat the rapist,but think about it before action.
it's better to call police than acting by ourself.
if we instantly goes to beat the rapist,other people might do the same and that'll cause a chaos. the rapist will gets killed if the peoples overdo it.
the same case also appears in our country when mass peoples beats a pickpocket.
unfortunately,the target is wrong. so they mistakenly beat innocent people who they think as a pickpocket.
as a common people,we dont have a right to judge and act as we like.
leave the problem to police. they're the hand of justice,and that's why police is created.
I do think about it...
If I think and go fetch authorities and let the rapist rape, well we're going to have a chick that scarred for life and the rapist as fine as can be...
Here's what I'll do, I make sure the rapist won't have chance to rape...
Scare 'em of by calling people that isn't there (Yelling for help, eventhough there's no one there), just make as much noise as possible, big chances are... the rapist will make a run for it...
You'll get a rapist on the run, but at least the girl is safe...
....................
Although, chances are I will lunge brutally to the rapist...
I still think rapists deserved to die anyway (especially if the victims are dead too)...
And about the wrong beating target, I know that too...
But just face it, THAT is something beyond our control...
It's bad but that's just to show how screwed our country is...
Also, there's too many crooks and thugs that are too fucking brutal in our country, I've seen it first hand too many times of such, that makes me dare to say that they need to be killed...
And the police? You and I know it too well how fucked our police can be...
There are good policemen, but they are rather rare and in short supplies in our country...
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Aion Crux
Banned
Net_Spectator wrote...
I do think about it...If I think and go fetch authorities and let the rapist rape, well we're going to have a chick that scarred for life and the rapist as fine as can be...
Here's what I'll do, I make sure the rapist won't have chance to rape...
Scare 'em of by calling people that isn't there (Yelling for help, eventhough there's no one there), just make as much noise as possible, big chances are... the rapist will make a run for it...
You'll get a rapist on the run, but at least the girl is safe...
nice trick. but dont you think if you do it,the rapist will turn the girl as a hostage?
that might become serious if the rapist have a gun/knife in him.
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Aion Crux wrote...
Net_Spectator wrote...
I do think about it...If I think and go fetch authorities and let the rapist rape, well we're going to have a chick that scarred for life and the rapist as fine as can be...
Here's what I'll do, I make sure the rapist won't have chance to rape...
Scare 'em of by calling people that isn't there (Yelling for help, eventhough there's no one there), just make as much noise as possible, big chances are... the rapist will make a run for it...
You'll get a rapist on the run, but at least the girl is safe...
nice trick. but dont you think if you do it,the rapist will turn the girl as a hostage?
that might become serious if the rapist have a gun/knife in him.
No, big chance he will just run...
Think about it... taking hostage will make him even viable target of mass carnage... and to use a gun makes him a policemen target practice (one thing our policemen is good at is being a trigger happy, heh)...
Most crooks in Indonesia are coward at heart, especially if he's alone, big chances they just make a break for it...
Gun users crooks in Indonesia are usually robbers or luxury house burglars...
Rarely does a mere rapist owns a gun...
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Aion Crux
Banned
Net_Spectator wrote...
No, big chance he will just run...Think about it... taking hostage will make him even viable target of mass carnage... and to use a gun makes him a policemen target practice (one thing our policemen is good at is being a trigger happy, heh)...
Most crooks in Indonesia are coward at heart, especially if he's alone, big chances they just make a break for it...
Gun users crooks in Indonesia are usually robbers or luxury house burglars...
Rarely does a mere rapist owns a gun...
that's why i put gun/knife in my previous statement.
at least,the rapist hold a knife to hold and threaten his prey.
maybe some criminal will run away if he's panicked.
but what if he thinks that run away is useless,and he's planning to threaten the police by using the girl as a hostage?
most of criminal will runaway if he's panicked. but not all criminal would do it since the police can easily track him and capture him shortly after he's runaway.
if i see the girl being held as a hostage,i just ignore it.
interfering or not,that wont mess my life.
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Aion Crux wrote...
Net_Spectator wrote...
No, big chance he will just run...Think about it... taking hostage will make him even viable target of mass carnage... and to use a gun makes him a policemen target practice (one thing our policemen is good at is being a trigger happy, heh)...
Most crooks in Indonesia are coward at heart, especially if he's alone, big chances they just make a break for it...
Gun users crooks in Indonesia are usually robbers or luxury house burglars...
Rarely does a mere rapist owns a gun...
that's why i put gun/knife in my previous statement.
at least,the rapist hold a knife to hold and threaten his prey.
maybe some criminal will run away if he's panicked.
but what if he thinks that run away is useless,and he's planning to threaten the police by using the girl as a hostage?
most of criminal will runaway if he's panicked. but not all criminal would do it since the police can easily track him and capture him shortly after he's runaway.
if i see the girl being held as a hostage,i just ignore it.
interfering or not,that wont mess my life.
Not all people can ignore such a thing...
Maybe you can...
I for one cannot...
When I said big chances, that means big chances...
I'm talking about the most common outcome in Indonesia here...
If he taken the girl hostage...
The outcome will be grim, for the girl and even worse for the rapist...
He will die in the most gruesome manner for sure... (This is SpartaIndonesia!)
But if he just run off, he will at least live... arrested maybe, but at least he'll live...
There's a little chance a cowardly crook will stand his ground, that is very rarely happened...
Never seen one occurred, not even in 'Buser'...
So there you have it... let's hope for the better outcome...
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Aion Crux
Banned
Net_Spectator wrote...
Not all people can ignore such a thing...Maybe you can...
I for one cannot...
When I said big chances, that means big chances...
I'm talking about the most common outcome in Indonesia here...
yes. i agree with this part. no one in indonesia can held a hostages. but the same thing wont do in other country like USA when you can buy a weapon from illegal seller.
fortunately,in indonesia,guns are forbidden.
Net_Spectator wrote...
But if he just run off, he will at least live... arrested maybe, but at least he'll live...i dont think so.
if he run away from it,mass people will beats him and can kill him.
run away or not,the mass would still do it. seems like our people loves being overdo it.
that's why it's better for him to keep the girl as a hostage.
at least that'll prevent the mass for act like a judge and beats him down,or even kill him.
mass people will fall back if he see a hostage.
the only one who can solve it,is police. police know how to handle the criminal. so just give it to the police. playing judge by ourself is bad.
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Knowing what the criminal is going to do? My ass. Unless yall are psychologists or pysch majors, this argument is dumb. And there are some things a man's got to do himself; saving a girl's one of them regardless of the situation. Police, the right hand of justice? Fuck, that's naivete talking here; Aion Crux, you honestly believe that the police are in any better situation to help while the rapist is raping the girl and you're standing there letting it happen, dialing away on your cell? Please refer to my previous post why it is much better to apprehend the rapist yourself rather than letting the god-knows-when-they're-goin-to-come police handle the situtaion.
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Aion Crux
Banned
g-money wrote...
Police, the right hand of justice? Fuck, that's naivete talking here; Aion Crux, you honestly believe that the police are in any better situation to help while the rapist is raping the girl and you're standing there letting it happen, dialing away on your cell? Please refer to my previous post why it is much better to apprehend the rapist yourself rather than letting the god-knows-when-they're-goin-to-come police handle the situtaion.so what are the police created for? it's their duty to save those victims.
we can still help the victims. but i dont want to risk my life for it. if the incident happens,then i'll act depending on the situation.
if i can help directly,i'll help. if i cant,i'll just have to call the police. but i only do it if my mood is suited at the time. otherwise,i'll just ignore it and let it be.
leave it to the proffesional. unless you're a superman or gundam,you can kick their ass without worrying about being hitted by a bullet.
but you're only a common people,so act commonly and realisticly.
calling the police is the one way to help the victim indirectly.
i'd prefer to call the police that's because i dont want that kind of problem affecting my real life.
there's a simple reason why i prefer to call the police :
1. i dont want to interfere. no matter what,their bussiness is theirs to solve.
2. i still have so many things to do. my college,my works,and my life awaits me in home.
3. if die while interfering with it,what will i get? a nice trip to heaven? sorry,but i prefer to sit down and watch hentai while browsing in FAKKU.
direct or indirectly,i'll try to help. but it depends on my mood.
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It's like I'm talking to a brick wall here.
Look, in a situation like so where you happen to see a rape in progress, this ain't about you. This is about saving the girl and preventing further harm to her, mentally and physically. This isn't about, "whether I'm the fucking mood or not," it's about having morals about doing whats right within the confines of reality and practicality. Don't rush into the situation yelling at the top of your lungs, "Stop, rapist!"; use your head. That's why we got brains.
If you can't see my point, you're either really dumb, or really selfish.
Look, in a situation like so where you happen to see a rape in progress, this ain't about you. This is about saving the girl and preventing further harm to her, mentally and physically. This isn't about, "whether I'm the fucking mood or not," it's about having morals about doing whats right within the confines of reality and practicality. Don't rush into the situation yelling at the top of your lungs, "Stop, rapist!"; use your head. That's why we got brains.
If you can't see my point, you're either really dumb, or really selfish.
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Aion Crux
Banned
g-money wrote...
Look, in a situation like so where you happen to see a rape in progress, this ain't about you. This is about saving the girl and preventing further harm to her, mentally and physically. This isn't about, "whether I'm the fucking mood or not," it's about having morals about doing whats right within the confines of reality and practicality.you cant expect to always prevent mental and physical injure to the victims.
the injury will always be carved in their chest. whether it's physical or mentally wound.
trauma is the most common physical injury that always happen in victims mental. the victims will always feels fear.
both mental and physical injury will still carved. you cant deny it,and you cant feels the same like the victim does.
the injury will soon gets healed in time if the victimes is blessed with luck. but for those who unfortune enough,the injury will always carved in their chest. leaving pain and despair.
g-money wrote...
Don't rush into the situation yelling at the top of your lungs, "Stop, rapist!"; use your head. That's why we got brains.how can you say to use brain when you've stated,"saving a girl's one of them regardless of the situation"
that means you dont have to look at the situation and jumped into the criminal while yelling "Stop! Rapist!",right?
i've told you to use your brain and act depending on the situation. read my previous post if you still dont get it.
oh yes,i'm a logical person. sometimes people might mistaken me as a selfish person. but it's their right to judge for themself.