Man Kills Daughter's Molester
Is the father innocent of any wrongdoing?
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Good evening, SD.
I was reading through the articles on MSN Today when this headline caught my eye.
To summarize,
A man used lethal force on a man who was attempting to sexually assault his 5- year old daughter.
The grand jury declined to bring charges against him.
Essentially, they're saying no crime has been committed on the father's part.
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Okay, so we know the story.
What do you guys make of this?
Now, obviously considering the subject matter none of you [presumably] are going to be too terribly sympathetic for the [now] deceased assailant, I mean.. there was danger and wrongdoing involved. The father intervened. This part is important, but my question to you all is:
Did the father go too far?
No charges have been set against him of any kind.
However, He did kill a person in front of his 5 year old child.
Would any of you have reacted differently?
My thoughts, should you be curious:
I was reading through the articles on MSN Today when this headline caught my eye.
To summarize,
A man used lethal force on a man who was attempting to sexually assault his 5- year old daughter.
The grand jury declined to bring charges against him.
Essentially, they're saying no crime has been committed on the father's part.
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Okay, so we know the story.
What do you guys make of this?
Now, obviously considering the subject matter none of you [presumably] are going to be too terribly sympathetic for the [now] deceased assailant, I mean.. there was danger and wrongdoing involved. The father intervened. This part is important, but my question to you all is:
Did the father go too far?
No charges have been set against him of any kind.
However, He did kill a person in front of his 5 year old child.
Would any of you have reacted differently?
My thoughts, should you be curious:
Spoiler:
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
I probably do the same. Any father, mother, brother, sister, aunt, uncle or cousin most likely would. Killing a person isn't that hard.
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Lughost
the Lugoat
I voted option 3.
I can understand that the guy is acting in the heat of the moment, but killing the guy was excessive. There is no way I can know what the dad was feeling seeing as I am not a father myself, but still. A man is now dead because of the father's actions, even if he had the intention of stopping the man from committing an atrocious crime.
Laws are still laws, though, and should be upheld. I'm also not certain it was necessary to beat the guy to death, but again I couldn't know what it felt like to be in that situation or what was going through the dad's head.
I can understand that the guy is acting in the heat of the moment, but killing the guy was excessive. There is no way I can know what the dad was feeling seeing as I am not a father myself, but still. A man is now dead because of the father's actions, even if he had the intention of stopping the man from committing an atrocious crime.
Laws are still laws, though, and should be upheld. I'm also not certain it was necessary to beat the guy to death, but again I couldn't know what it felt like to be in that situation or what was going through the dad's head.
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Tegumi
"im always cute"
Texas law allows for the use of deadly force against a perpetrator of aggravated sexual assault. So no, it would not be against the law.
In before derps.
In before derps.
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I think i would go with the jury on this one also. From what i'm reading the guy didn't intend to kill the person(And he called 911 when he realized the guy was in bad shape,so it doesn't seem like the father wanted to leave the guy for dead), and i can understand in the heat of the moment how the guy could use lethal force without realizing.
I understand where your coming from with it being worse for the child, but again it was a bad situation all around. I would recommend the father find a therapist to help the daughter however
I understand where your coming from with it being worse for the child, but again it was a bad situation all around. I would recommend the father find a therapist to help the daughter however
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Tegumi wrote...
Texas law allows for the use of deadly force against a perpetrator of aggravated sexual assault. So no, it would not be against the law.In before derps.
Im moving to texas.
Also i am a father and i would be in a homicidal rage if that happened.
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I would have done the same. There are too many cases where they arrest a criminal and the sentence can be too light. Seeing how criminals still tend to commit crimes even after getting out of prison, I remember reading a few days ago a case where a man killed 2-3 people, the irony of it all was that he killed two people last year and he STILL killed again. I think the jury set him free in his first trial.
Reasons like these that I daresay that all killers and rapists should get the death penalty.
I take the father's side on this one, his daughter should learn that the killing was because of the circumstances.
Reasons like these that I daresay that all killers and rapists should get the death penalty.
I take the father's side on this one, his daughter should learn that the killing was because of the circumstances.
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[color=#2e1a6b]Because he did it in defense of his daughter, he is not and should not be guilty of any wrongdoings. If the Father went to the assailant's house and murdered him after it already happened, then it's no longer self defense, and there could be some charges against him.
I most certainly would have done the same if it was my Daughter (heck, I'd do the same for my lil' sister, and I hate her).
As Tegumi already said, this happened here in Texas; it was certainly a legal means of defense. There's a reason we have this slogan
I most certainly would have done the same if it was my Daughter (heck, I'd do the same for my lil' sister, and I hate her).
As Tegumi already said, this happened here in Texas; it was certainly a legal means of defense. There's a reason we have this slogan
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I chose option 1.
all parents should defend their children.
and he did make that call on 911, if he was really evil he would have left him to rot.
about your concern about the kid. she may need a bit of counseling... the "rape" itself may have already caused deep emotional scars.
was molested and almost raped(several times on both counts), when I mentioned this to my parents I was blamed and got scolded,(made me feel and think that it was "my fault"). reading about that makes me wish he was my dad (at that point of my life).
I want a parent who fights for me
and if ever that will happen to any of my children, the attacker should expect the worst.
all parents should defend their children.
and he did make that call on 911, if he was really evil he would have left him to rot.
about your concern about the kid. she may need a bit of counseling... the "rape" itself may have already caused deep emotional scars.
was molested and almost raped(several times on both counts), when I mentioned this to my parents I was blamed and got scolded,(made me feel and think that it was "my fault"). reading about that makes me wish he was my dad (at that point of my life).
I want a parent who fights for me
and if ever that will happen to any of my children, the attacker should expect the worst.
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Lelouch24 wrote...
[color=#2e1a6b]Because he did it in defense of his daughter, he is not and should not be guilty of any wrongdoings. If the Father wen't to the assailant's house and murdered him after it already happened, then it's no longer self defense, and there could be some charges against him. I most certainly would have done the same if it was my Daughter (heck, I'd do the same for my lil' sister, and I hate her).
As Tegumi already said, this happened here in Texas; it was certainly a legal means of defense. There's a reason we have this slogan
Not to mention the gun laws here in Texas. The guy could have shot the man just for trespassing. Someone tries to pull that kind of shit to my family and they will be shot.
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ToyManC
Forgot my safe word
The simple truth is, that it was probably more merciful to kill him than to spare him. What they do to child molesters in prison is worse than most people (even righteously angry dads) could possibly devise. Although this will likely traumatize the unfortunate girl, at least she will always know her father can, and always will, defend her.
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My debate senses are tingling, but this something too sacred for me to argue against.
In the defense of another human being (moreso a child), I would have snapped the guy's neck. On the spot.
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However, I see where you're coming from in questioning this decision. Through the rest of the civilized world, lethal force is taken with much more care. If the law says that the father in question is guilty of murder, I would, as a judge or jury (depending on your court system), downgrade to criminal manslaughter.
From a philosophical standpoint, I would like to shed some light:
Legality does not equal morality. Justice is a human construct, too flexible and conditional to be defined by pen and ink alone.
A just leader would mourn the result, and provide for the needs of both families (even child-rapists have mothers), rather than choosing not to act entirely.
(Although, that style of Judge went out with the fall of Rome and China consecutively. Sad.)
In the defense of another human being (moreso a child), I would have snapped the guy's neck. On the spot.
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However, I see where you're coming from in questioning this decision. Through the rest of the civilized world, lethal force is taken with much more care. If the law says that the father in question is guilty of murder, I would, as a judge or jury (depending on your court system), downgrade to criminal manslaughter.
From a philosophical standpoint, I would like to shed some light:
Legality does not equal morality. Justice is a human construct, too flexible and conditional to be defined by pen and ink alone.
A just leader would mourn the result, and provide for the needs of both families (even child-rapists have mothers), rather than choosing not to act entirely.
(Although, that style of Judge went out with the fall of Rome and China consecutively. Sad.)
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I have to admit I would have done the exact same thing. I would have killed the guy. Wouldn't even have hesitated. I would have known that I should not kill him, for the sake of my daughter and the sake of her future, but I would have done it nevertheless.
You just don't mess with that.
But murder is still murder, and I myself would want to face charges, for killing someone. Even if its a lightened penance, their must be one if life is taken, no matter what situation, except selfdefence with irrefutable grounds.
So yeah, option 2, send me to prison for a few years, then out me with a parole a year later. But there must be sanction.
And that as fast as possible as to not totally disrupt the childs life. If at a young age, the "he went on a trip" excuse could work, especially if authorized to give phone calls and send letters, video conf, anything to keep contact with the child. It won't be the same, assured, but it is a need.
You just don't mess with that.
But murder is still murder, and I myself would want to face charges, for killing someone. Even if its a lightened penance, their must be one if life is taken, no matter what situation, except selfdefence with irrefutable grounds.
So yeah, option 2, send me to prison for a few years, then out me with a parole a year later. But there must be sanction.
And that as fast as possible as to not totally disrupt the childs life. If at a young age, the "he went on a trip" excuse could work, especially if authorized to give phone calls and send letters, video conf, anything to keep contact with the child. It won't be the same, assured, but it is a need.
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Tanasinn
The Bellpepper
Tegumi wrote...
Texas law allows for the use of deadly force against a perpetrator of aggravated sexual assault. So no, it would not be against the law.I was about to post this.
Anyway, as with OP's opinion: Sure, they'll be sent to prison but they can be released from it too .Just to turn around and do the same thing to another kid.
Not only did the father stop his own daughter from becoming a victim of the pedo, he also stopped any future attempts from said pedo on anyone else's children. He effectively cut out the middleman.
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devsonfire
3,000,000th Poster
Killing the guy, especially in front of my kid? It's going too far.
A father has to do what needs to be done, but I kinda disagree with his action when he killed him infront of his child.
It's just not right in my opinion.
But giving the guy a beating is okay, since I'd do the same.
A father has to do what needs to be done, but I kinda disagree with his action when he killed him infront of his child.
It's just not right in my opinion.
But giving the guy a beating is okay, since I'd do the same.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
I'd kill the guy. Not intentionally killing him, but exerting as much force as I can possibly muster to remove my daughter from the harm that is him right away and removing any possibilities of him getting close to my daughter. If it happens that while doing so I accidentally kill him, then so be it. If I'm certain that my objectives are reached and he's dying, then I'll try to tend to the continuity of his life. I'm aware that my actions might traumatize my daughter, but the situation doesn't allow for holding back. I'll think about how to make her understand my reasons later.
Legality =/= morality. If law decides to be cold and throw me into prison for years afterwards or worse so be it, I'll just believe in my beloved to sort things out. If the legal system understands why I did it then nice, I'll continue to live my life with the slight guilt of having taken a life in front of my child. Regardless of which, I did the thing that felt right to me.
Legality =/= morality. If law decides to be cold and throw me into prison for years afterwards or worse so be it, I'll just believe in my beloved to sort things out. If the legal system understands why I did it then nice, I'll continue to live my life with the slight guilt of having taken a life in front of my child. Regardless of which, I did the thing that felt right to me.
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Cruz
Dope Stone Lion
Tanasinn wrote...
Tegumi wrote...
Texas law allows for the use of deadly force against a perpetrator of aggravated sexual assault. So no, it would not be against the law.I was about to post this.
Anyway, as with OP's opinion: Sure, they'll be sent to prison but they can be released from it too .Just to turn around and do the same thing to another kid.
Not only did the father stop his own daughter from becoming a victim of the pedo, he also stopped any future attempts from said pedo on anyone else's children. He effectively cut out the middleman.
What's to say he won't be put in rehabilitation, where they'll "try to correct his behavior". Not only that, you're implying the justice system doesn't keep a watchful eye on people who've already committed crimes(especially towards children).
OT: No I don't think I'd kill the molester, child present or not, legal or not.