Palestine becomes a member of the U.N., what's your opinion?

Really what happened was that there people in the region living there. Jewish first came to live for decades by buying or settling on places no one lived. Then after sometime a handful decided that as their ancestors once had the land(LOGIC FTW TROLOLOL) and they had people living there the whole area should belong to a Jewish State.

That was the problem. If they had simply attempted to create a State on the area there would have been some trouble but nothing really bad. However they wanted to create a Jewish State on area where other people lived and as numerous countries can attest any State which has anything before or after it will consider those that do not fit the definition as 2nd class citizens. The people on the region rightfully disagreed with the idea.

After that 9999 different groups tried to take advantage of the situation and it lead to what happened. Right now Israel is simply copying what all countries on America did.

You mean in 1948 when they "displaced" themselves because they hate jews. Unfortantely it doesn't look like they're changing their minds on their Yiddish speaking neighbors

Israel ministry paper proposes 'toppling' Abbas over UN bid


So it seems that if Palestine wins it's bid for recognition of non-member state status in the UN, israel plans to "topple" their pressident. i suspect 'topple' is their PC way of saying 'assassinate'.

From the link:
Israel and the US strongly oppose the move, saying an independent state can only be achieved through negotiations.

why the fuck is it any of our(US) business? to me, it seems suporting israel's oppression of palestine only causes more problems. would some of the terrorist groups still want to fuck with the US as much if we stopped supporting isael over palestine?

half the reason they(jews) are even there is because no other country wanted them. UK helped them conquer palestine in 1917 so all the immegrants getting kicked out of the rest of europe would have somewhere else to go. before the nazis really got out of hand and started killing them they were helping jews move to isreal too. in my opinion, the only reason anyone still backs isreal is out of fear of looking antisemetic, or looking stupid for supporting them this long. and maybe a little out of fear because irael is the world's leading weapons developers.

"Displaced themselves", more like ran out of freaking fear from the modern U.S. Tanks(backed with our money of course), as the Israeli aggression began in the First of Five Arabic-Jewish Conflicts.

But why has there been historic animosity towards the Jewish People? I think, from what we saw with Netanyahu openly campaigning for the failed Mitt Rommney is an excellent example of the kind of behaviors that the world, simply doesn't tolerate:

Politically, the Jewish operate in a fashion contradictory to a true Democracy or true Western thoughts. The state of Palestine today, is the same as it was for African-Americans under the Jim Crow laws.

Hell, it's a lot worse. While the African-American were socially segregated and while they faced mistreatment. They weren't quarantined, having to go through checkpoints as though Soviet Russia governs them.

Also, in Israel stealing American Nuclear technology, all the meanwhile not signing the NPT nor subjecting itself to the IAEA(under guises of security) while prompting up the 'Iran Scare', makes it very clear what Israel stands for politically.

The Germans felt the same way, with the Balfour Declaration giving Palestine to the Jewish in exchange for American support for Britain in World War One.

Simply put, we may be Israel's ally today, and a bomb comes from Tel Aviv tomorrow.

Since I don't want to be the umpteenth country, deceived by Israel's words of 'alliance', followed by betrayal. I'd rather cut ties, or see major reforms.

It's about society, and how a government(which is the reflection of the people) acts in society. In this regard, the West and Israel are totally different.

We rejected Jim Crow, they still haven't.

> A group of people who want to live in their rightful land
> terrorists


Aka Sykes–Picot Agreement which Invaded the Syrian kingdom not the ottoman empire



And the culture thing goes to the whole area , not across the river only
Also there is an interesting fact : Jordan was a country before the whole thing started , in 1946 for exact , so in real world Palestine "now known as Israel " is separated from Jordan , before the whole thing started in 1948 .

If them Hamas dumasses don't stop firing rockets into Isreal, they're gonna stir up a big shitstorm soon. And any possibility of Palistine being recognized by the UN is going to be severely setback. What the hell started this in the first place anyway?

It's a civil war, what'd you expect? Hamas in fact, originated from Israel!(No different from when U.S. Intelligence created Al-Qaeda.) The motto of the IDF/CIA has always been "Divide and conquer." The last thing the Israeli warhawks want is a genuine two-state solution. So get a few proxies, start a war and profit. But, it's an eye for an eye at this point Winged Fapper. Israel has been acting in a Soviet Union, Joesph Stalin-fashion. They haven't had peace even during their inception during this precise reason.

As long as Israel continues to act in a Soviet Union-like fashion, Hamas will continue to exist on a daily basis, the threat from neighboring countries such as Egypt, Turkey(once a staunch Israeli ally, but Israel ruined that relationship by not apologizing for the assassination of its citizens) will continue to exist.

And ironically, as long as Israel is seen as a pro-western regime, dictating the will of America(or perhaps, vice-versa as it would appear.), neither Israel nor America will ever find security.

Its in the best interest of both nations to remain neutral of each other, Israel only lobbies and interferes with American policy, and it only constitutes a threat to both nations existence.

Well, I'm not gonna say anything wrong with you, but the guy is sooooooo effiin wrooongg,

he's basically saying something that he knows nothing about in detail.
he says only the general things that make the palestinians look bad.

See here, They DO NOT hate the jews bcuz they are jews or bcuz the Koran dictated such. I would like to explain more on this matter but it's out of topic...

Now back to topic, I think this is a good step for Palestine to start bond with other countries and clear all the misunderstandings some countries have against them and vice versa. Although I can't deny that it would be irritating for Israel but it seems to me like a good cause all in all.

Palestine becomes a member of the U.N., what's my opinion?

Only thing is that nothing changes. Missiles still fly, people still DIE!

And world thinks they did a good deed and remain ignorant over the grand issue ITSELF. WHOPEE.

Here.


Checked the facts and they FIT and are true.

Make your own opinions. My opinion stays the same.

Ignore it.

I need to rethink entire thing.

I'll start with the map mistakes
First of all , there is no statics that shows the real number of the people who lived in these areas , and the idea that Arabs didn't had more than a one million person living in a very important area in the Islamic caliphate - especially a very productive agriculture area like Jordan and Palestine - is just ridiculous.




Second : Great Britian has no right - and I repeat - no right to decide the destiny of a land that without consulting the people who lives there , the thing that they didn't do it





Third : Balfour Declaration is not the same as Zionism movement , the Zionism movement didn't say anything about "keeping" the people who lives there , they wanted to make a "state for Jewish people " .





Fourth : the Arabs as I mentioned earlier had their own kingdom and was planing on creating a one country gathers all of them into one country , what the video mentioned about backwardness and other shit , isn't correct , because arabs decided and made the choice to start a new era , an era which was never happened due to Sykes -Picot Agreement , and due to the oil , poverty would have never existed in an arabic state .






Fifth
- 1920 Nebi Musa riots
> definations
The annual Nebi Musa spring festival was a Muslim festival that began on the Friday before Good Friday and involved a procession to the Nebi Musa shrine (tomb of Moses) near Jericho.[7] It had apparently existed since the time of Saladin.[8] Arab educator and essayist Khalil al-Sakakini described how tribes and caravans would come with banners and weapons

so the festival was a muslim one and the arabs didn't go to the city to kill jews
> Reasons
(a) Arab disappointment at the non-fulfilment of the promises of independence which they claimed had been given to them during the war.
(b) Arab belief that the Balfour Declaration implied a denial of the right of self-determination and their fear that the establishment of a National Home would mean a great increase in Jewish immigration and would lead to their economic and political subjection to the Jews.
(c) The aggravation of these sentiments on the one hand by propaganda from outside Palestine associated with the proclamation of the Emir Feisal as King of a re-united Syria and with the growth of Pan-Arab and Pan-Moslem ideas, and on the other hand by the activities of the Zionist Commission supported by the resources and influence of Jews throughout the world.

> The Aftermath
Five Jews and four Arabs were killed , not six

sixth : The peel comission on 1937

"The British response was to set up the Woodhead Commission to "examine the Peel Commission plan in detail and to recommend an actual partition plan" This Commission declared the Peel Commission partition unworkable (though suggesting a different scheme under which 5% of the land area of Palestine become Israel). The British Government accompanied the publication of the Woodhead Report by a statement of policy rejecting partition as impracticable"


also the plan is stupid as fuck , why do you give them the "livable" north , while giving the desert in the south to the Arabs ??








seventh : The 1947 solution
Once again he made a mistake , not all of the Zionists accepted the plan
also : look at those two pics , and tell me , why the jews recieve land that don't contain any one of them ??



Also it's funny that the video didn't mention these things : Palmach, Irgun,
Haganah,
Lehi

Weird huh ??




Eighth : The video didn't mention these plans of Israel , when west bank were under Jordan and Egypt control , Is there any or he just start making things up ??


Not really in the mood to expose other lies in the video
But I have a question , a simple one

Oslo I Accord , why this thing never saw the light ??
I think that you might want to scroll down on that page to see Benjamin Netanyahu reply

Good video for brainwashing though
and Check your "facts" one more time


edit :
The video didn't mention the Kingdom of syria

Deleted my post so i could write this.

I cannot decide, IF youre right and IM wrong or Im wrong or youre right.

Possibly Somewhere BETWEEN the two, since the truth is covered in bullshit by both sides. Or we both are wrong.

Spent good hour reading about it. And the result was that i got more confused about it.

One site tells how jews are bad, another how palestine is bad.

Still though, i support Israel and palestine now, BUT not Hamas.

I wonder where they get the cash...

And hamas is the leader in Gaza strip. And more i read about the gaza strip, factions and situation before the whole conflict, the more Hamas looks like terror organizatsion.

I might say that all of the sources said that the conflict started after the Balfour Declaration in 1917 , why ??
Because people lived in peaceful in Jordan and Palestine for a long time , because most of the Jews who lived there was actually Arabs , even the Jews that live in Morocco are Arabs where as Moroccans are Berbers (North Africans) , you can scroll down in this page to check that

The arabs were happy after they got rid of the Ottomans and decided to start their own country , a country who never saw the light and impossible to happen if the Jewish state in Palestine happened , due to the location of Palestine , although like I said the brtish Promised them to


And about Hamas , I'm not saying that what they is correct but they have demands , and most of these demands are being ignored by the state of israel , what they demand the most is to put an end to the siege around ghaza , a siege which was established in the first place in order to weaken the Palestinians in ghaza and force them to get out of that land , they might say that it's because of hamas , but Hamas didn't do anything wrong then , but the USA and israel didn't want hamas to win a democratic elections because they didn't like or admit the state of israel , and the Israelis refused to end that more than one time which lead to a wars between them more than one time , because they are afraid of more rockets , which Hamas got them anyway .
Hamas - as I understood - wants more easing on the Blockade of the ghaza strip , especially on the sea ports , along with other demands
[Blockade of the Gaza Strip]
You can watch this video in order to get more information about the situation in ghaza




and to answer your question of "how did they got them" , I will ask you this :
two months ago , egypt lunched a military operation against the Islamists in Sinai , this operation destroyed 31 tunnel out of many that was used to smuggle weapons [Sauce] , but the state of israel didn't allow the egyptian military to increase his presence in sinai [Sauce] , ignoring the fact that this thing will help them to remove Hamas weapon , claiming that " the number of troops wasn’t relevant, suggesting the Egyptian military was not prepared to tackle the insecurity " , now If you think that the number of troops is irrelevant in a big desert like Sinai then you must spend some time with bedouins and know how these people act in a desert
Further information about Sinai Peninsula

One more thing , the state of israel was built in terror organizations like : Irgun,Haganah,Lehi ,Palmach , ( I linked them in my previous reply ) , and these organizations became the main founder of the mossad and the israeli army , so I'm not going to be surprised if the isralei army committed any kind of crime , not mentioning the assassinations among the Palestinians , see this List for further information , then I have a question : If a country was seeking peace , then why do they commit this number of assassinations ??

Honestly dont know, but can comment that some of the pricks deserved it.

But who IS innocent? No one is in. Blood on both sides.

And I must admit, you know your stuff. And i bow down to you for that.

But i cannot agree with following, because i dont know the reason:



Why it wasnt possible? Because of diffrent religion?

Well , that's up for you , but I just wanted to clarify a few things , The jews weren't innocent all of the time , and the Palestinians weren't innocent all of the time too , and what started this shit in the first place is Zionism , and Israel is taking advantage of some people ignorance about the real situation in Palestine in order to gain more reputation , and Hamas is taking advantage of people anger in order to do what they do .

So I prefer if all of western countries could stop supporting any of these sides , especially with weapons , and force both of them to make peace , Or - and I prefer this solution - let them fight until they reach a day when they will be tired of that.



Due to different reasons , I'm going to mention some of them :

1- The San Remo conference and the Sykes Picot Agreement, which divided the Arabic world into two pieces between the french and the british
[Map] , further information [ The Battle of Maysalun]

2- The French and the Italian Colonization , and because these countries - in north africa - remained colonized for a long time , the culture in these countries has changed, and due to that they became some kind of separated from other Arabic countries .


3- Neo-Shu'ubiyya which is a sort of nationalism , with a some sort of difference , because some arabs aren't from arabic origins - especially the Levantines countries and north African countries - in other words : they are arabized , which make some of them think as some kind of special people .

4- The huge differences among the people of the arabic world - in their way of living - especially among the Bedouin , farmers and urban people , which was huge in the arabic world

5- Israel - explained enough -



There was more reasons , but I don't recall all of them , and the religion didn't have an impact on anything when it come to they question of : why Arabs are separated , because until now Muslims is a majority in these countries - including Lebanon -

And I just want to add one more thing : arabs tried a lot to create a united countries like : The syrian kingdom ( I posted the link earlier ) , The united arabic republic [ Egypt+Syria ] , Arab Federation [ Jordan and Iraq ] , The Federation of Arab Republics , most of them failed due to poor planing , war and the instability in the region .
In the modren time there is something called CCASG , which includes all of the arabian gulf countries expect yemen , with Jordan , Iraq , Yemen , Morocco hopefully joining soon

Hmmm. I hope they find the solution that appeases both sides. And hope for it to be solved behind the table, not shooting eachother till ammo runs out.

Call me as you want, but i belive that true world peace can be achieved only when entire humankind is under one banner. But it can be impossible because the cultural diffrence. But maybe in the far future? I wont be here for that though.

But thats just my thoughs about world peace. Maybe im wrong.

And one more thing.

*bows to Casanova no1*

Thanks for education posts though. You have my rep for that.

Will there be peace at last.

No not as long as Israel keeps up its Zionist ways. Damn I saw my old post from a year ago and man my views made a 180 turn