People getting abortions based on the fetus's gender

Apparently a pattern is starting to show in the abortion clinics in my country,
people are getting abortions, based on the gender of their child.
The story was shown a little while ago on the news, telling how people where letting their child's gender decide on the ruling factor whether or not they should get an abortion.
People are flying to England, Sweden, France, Etc. All these people are spending thousands of their money, simply because the child's gender isn't the right one.

It disgusts me how it has now come down to the gender ruling whether some children should be born or not. When did people let themselves go to the point where gender is the deciding factor in these kinds of matters?
Letting gender decide whether a person should hold an office seat is one thing, but this drives it to a whole new level.
I don't believe gender should even be a factor when you're considering an abortion.
whether you can support that child or not should be an factor, not this...
this is simply just wrong, and I find grossly offensive that people carve such deep lines in between us as a species, and if this is what it means to be the most dominant and advanced animal on the planet, to carve deep lines in between us to define each other; then I'd rather be called an uneducated ape.

I don't know where I was going with this rambling,
and you'll have to forgive me if this is happening world wide, I don't go into other country's news that much.
All I know is this: I see choice upon a persons future based on their gender, race, or origin as an inhumane act.

Know then, Discuss.

EDIT: A few details surrounding the whole ordeal:
A fetus's first fetal stage is from week 9 to week 16 ( this is where the development of the organs begins).
Scans are able to tell the gender of a fetus at around 14 weeks into the pregnancy.
The time limit for abortion in Denmark is the 12 week, therefore people are traveling to other countries to get the abortion, such as Sweden.
Some institutions are now raising the bar for the limit at which they allow for scans of the fetus's gender, because they suspect this pattern is involved.

I do not find it disgusting, but I find it stupid.

Although if they do abortions after the fetus actually becomes a "human" then I do find it disgusting.

Well if we're talking about the first fetal stage. Then yes, they are getting those abortions while the child is "human"

Apparently a scan is able to tell the gender at around 14 weeks in to the pregnancy,
and the first fetal stage is week 9-16 (according to Wikipedia).

Edit: Sorry, I got the time in which the scans are able to detect the gender wrong.

Not deeply knowledgable about the stages so my stance is that when it counts as human its wrong to abort except in cases where not aborting threatens the life of the mother.

Can I assume that you're pro-life, then? If you're pro-choice and say that a woman can't have an abortion because of gender issues, then that makes you a hypocrite.

Mother's body. She can do anything she wants. Isn't this the rationale of the pro-choice side?

If you're going to put a qualifier to that ("no, you can't have an abortion because you can't decide what gender it will be") then you're taking the decision away from the woman and putting in your own.

I think it shouldn't be allowed to use a scan to tell the gender, before it's illegal to have an abortion.
The reason to scan for this is to prepare for the upcoming baby, not to decide if you want to abort it or not.

You're right, I would be taking away the choice of the mother by saying that and that is just as wrong.
But I'm not saying that, or trying to take away the her choice to have an abortion or not, it still stands with the mother to decide whether or not she wants that child.
I'm simply stating that I find it wrong to decide it on the gender, or anything like that.
I will never try to control another persons life.
But I do criticize on which factor she decides to have that child.

Maybe I was a little rash, just writing what came to mind and I'll look again to see if I can make it more clear what I meant by my statement.

I'll concur and say it's disgusting. I'll go even one step further: It's deteriorating to the Human Experience. Think, what coincided with the Economic Revolution of the 1950's? The Baby Boomer Era. Through birth, comes productivity. More people work to support their families, more jobs are created. Future workers are born to continue producing decades into the future.

It's of no coincidence, that having aborted 54 million babies, countless of future generational workers that the economy is where it is. I want to cite this one study, which will identify the reality of the Abortion issue:

http://www.mccl.org/us-abortion-stats.html

74% of Women say a child would interfere with school, work, etc.
73% of Women say they cannot afford a child.
48% of Women say they don't want to be a single parent, or deal with the difficulties of a relationship
95% of Women want to be aware of all of the risks, and 69% of women want to be informed of alternatives.
79% of Americans don't support the "Abortion-on-demand" policy, instead saying that abortion should only be legal under certain circumstances(IE: Medical, such as rape/incest).

Less than 2% say they become pregnant as a result of rape/incest.

There've been those who claimed that the 2% number may not tell the whole story. Tales, not yet spoken. This is a theory, it has not been scientifically held as fact. And considering the massive numerical difference of people who support contraception for contraceptive reasons, and those who profess to have been impregnated from incest and rape, it's a theory that holds virtually no mathematical weight.

Abortion is a Social Issue, it deals with the weakness of our society, particularly from an economic and material level. Ironically, this weakness has come at large part with contraceptive devices(birth control, condoms, etc.) It'll be interesting if there's a scientific research into the occurrence of infidelity before and after the birth pill.

Monetary inequality has come a long way, we can do more. It's been pointed out that most women enter a different field and these fields are paid differently than other fields. I would pronounce then, a Job Equality Act.(JEA) The JEA would constitute a regulatory agency to make sure that employeers of all fields are paid equally, irregardless of the job.

Why should a Lawyer get paid more than a Plumber, etc? Ensuring Equal Pay Rate for all, is one such economic reform. Another reform would be to become more of an importer, than an exporter of trades and goods. We export more than we import, bye bye American Manufacturing force.

But the greatest reform we could take, is to listen to 70% of the American Population: Adopt a partial abortion policy, we'll watch the birth rate grow dramatically, activity and produce will follow.

I don't really care whether or not someone aborts because of gender. It's not like the child is truly alive (as in, outside their mother's body) and they don't have the ability to comprehend much, if any at all at that stage. It's still a part of the mother's body, so she should be able to choose what is done with it. It's not until the child has left the body that it has truly become its own being.

Having more children magically means those children will have jobs? Wait, what?



>implying these aren't legitimate reasons

This is not a new practice, it is just a new method of getting rid of the unwanted. Skip back to china around 20 years ago and you will see that the Chinese population prefer boys over girls due to some social standing, with abortion being expensive and costly they would actually throw the baby girls away or the girl would be treated like a second class citizen in her own house. Tis may sound harsh but sometimes abortions can save a unwanted baby for years or torment. I also adoption is much better alternative then abortion.

It's referred to as the Law of Supply and Demand. The higher the demand, the more supplies there will be. And vice versa, the more supply there is, the more demand can be met.

Furthermore, I'd state this isn't merely economic theory, it's biological. In the animal kingdom, due to various causes, certain races of animals end up being extinct, or near extinct through hunting and thereby a depletion of mating potentiality.

There's a UN Study in fact, that points out that our population growth will max out by 2030 and from there on, a steep decline. It's taken a while, but we're starting to see the after effects of the post baby boomer era.

I'm not saying we need to have a baby boomer-like spawning every decade. But perhaps, once every three decades to perpetuate a true high-class living human experience. It's not without coincidence that we've seen the decline as the belief
in unity and in familyhood has come to an all-time low.

There are no predators for the human race, except humanity itself. We're our own worst enemy.






They're perfectly legitimate reasons...for not having a child. They're not legitimate reason for denying human existence. The embyro stage is a stage of living, just the same as being old is a stage of living.

There are several thousands of elderly men and women, whose senses, memory, etc have declined to that of a baby's level. Should we deem them inferior to the young and fresh? Furthermore, do we declare they aren't human? After all, their biological state of being is no different from a baby's at this point, except their physiological body has been fully developed.

I hope I pointed out the utter nihilist, hypocrit position of the pro-choice movement.

You're not very smart, are you?

Also:

Says the person who didn't even reply to my rebuttal, and you're a moderator of this thread?

Your rebuttal doesn't make sense. You should do some reviewing first.

Sex-selective abortions generally result from gender inequality. Stuff like dowrys(Which are still practiced in some parts of the world) make having a girl a much more difficult decision than having a boy, and thus women take into account gender much more strongly than they should when having a child

In all honesty I think people should have that choice. I mean to try and say that every single life on this planet has value is completely ridiculous, not to mention those who aren't even born yet. Could I also mention the subject of over-population. In my opinion abortion will become a vital part of human society. Ethics have held our society back in so many ways. This basically ties in the gender specific like how china does it. People should have ultimate decision whether or not they want to have their baby, no matter the reason.

How does it not make sense? I outlined the Law of Supply and Demand as my reasoning for the support of the seeming coincidence of the baby boomer generation coinciding with our massive wealth at the time, and the decline in society since.

I even further fundamentally explained it to you, through biological equation with the animal kingdom, and what occurs through various factors that make animals extinct, or near-extinct and which kill off their various civilizations.

And finally, I pointed out the hypocrisy of the Pro-choice position by equating the fetus(which, you don't acknowlesge as a conscious being), to the elderly adult whose lost virtually most of his/her functions, reliant upon his/her nursing home.

The only notable difference being, the physiology of the elderly adult(IE: The adult has his/her limbs or bones, the fetus obviously not so much.)

It's all laid out to you, in plain english. Now, tell me what part of my thesis don't you understand? I'll be happy to help.

Couldn't be due to industry boon from the war or anything. Also, the job market doesn't work like that. You won't have more jobs just because there are more people who want jobs. There are plenty of people who want jobs right now, so where is the supply to this demand?



Yeah, I'm not sure why you brought that up. It has nothing to do with the amount of jobs available in contrast to the workforce.

Also, I don't know what all that other stuff about attacking pro-choice or whatever was since I never even said if I was pro-choice or pro-life. I merely pointed out that you implied those weren't legitimate reasons for wanting an abortion, look:


And clearly things such as accidents never occur. Condoms never break. Pills always work. Is that why you don't think those are legitimate reasons for not wanting a baby? I'm fine if you say that abortion is against your moral compass and that's why you oppose it, but assuming everyone is in 100% control of their life and therefore must be absolutely responsible is a bit naive, don't you think?

this kind of reminds me of the movie "Gattaca" where people are usually genetically enhanced before they are born, so "normal" people are treated as second-class citizens and usually never get a good job (so the main character disguises himself etc etc).

the point is, the fact that human technology has gotten to this point raises new questions as well as bring back old ones. is it right for the woman to use gender as a determinant for abortion? is there a certain point as to where the fetus becomes "human" and should be treated as murder? should we allow people to be very exclusive when it comes to things such as bearing a human life?

i personally don't like the fact that people are doing something like this, but i won't be a hypocrite and say it is morally wrong. at the end of the day it is still her choice, and it's better than a son being raised half-heartedly and without much care because they really wanted a daughter.