People getting abortions based on the fetus's gender

Ask Clinton and NAFTA, and the various jobs sent overseas. I mentioned a few posts ago about our manufacturing losses. No matter how significant the demand, if the resources aren't there to meet it, then it simply won't be met. However, the market will eventually correct itself(if it's ever allowed by Washington, that'll be a long wait.) The current Democratic Administration also has the naive thought that the New Deal, led to the recovery. When in reality, the inflation that came from the New Deal, resulted in America's economy perpetually being at Recession levels since the 70's and the War on Poverty.

We'll see people create jobs to meet the supply that's been lost through Washington policy. Just as soon as they stop artificially inflating the public sector, and crushing the private sector with their gross regulations.




Recreation and pro creation, prolong the existence of a species. It enables us to proceed in life. When these civilizations become extinct, their productivity and overall livelihood goes down, eventually they get trapped in a Zoo at the worst case, never again allowed to live in the wild.

America's trapped in the zoo called a depression, largely of it's own fault(and Americans largely don't recognize their own self-sabotaging behaviors).

If for example, eugenics actually worked, then China and Africa would be prosperous today. China's not prosperous, it's teetering as much as we are and it's ripe for social revolution. And we all know about Africa's troubles over the centuries.




No, I don't think it's naive. If you're not prepared to make a commitment to the person you're having sex with, a legitimate question has to be asked if you should even be in the relationship at all. And as I mentioned before, contraceptive methods such as a condom or the Pill, may very well be the reason that infidelity has largely broken out(According to the study I linked, infidelity being the second biggest factor to why women would go through an abortion)

A society is a structure of people, it is therefore a structure that relies on common sense, decency and human morals. To assume that we can uphold morals for one, and reject another's existence on the other, is the most epic example of a failed society in modern history.

What makes it worse, is that as Americans we are descendants of Europe, once the highest class of humans on the planet.

Seriously. What. Do you know why I don't think you're very smart?
1.) How when I said "war" that you thought I was talking about the New Deal?
2.) Yeah, that has nothing to do with jobs.
3.) Accidents happen. Promiscuity happens. Your view is the definition of naiveté.

Enough of being off-topic though, I'm tired of making Jackie Chan faces.

Nope, I don't. In fact, I think you're mistaking myself for you.



Because I'd hope someone wasn't dumb enough to believe that war inflates the economy.

We've fought a war for going on 12 years now, under this *retarded* economic thesis you'd think we'd have a robust economy. How about the Vietnam war? Nope, coincidentally we had the first great recession of the next two decades(70's-80's) and hence, young college students and others wanted to get out of the war to focus on, you know, America?

For all of the temporary inflation that comes from war(particularly, as people become desperate to survive), that inflation cannot match the mass demand of goods needed(IE: Tanks. Think of the thousands, upon thousands of gallons of oil tanks need to function. Food? Food prices have also gone up.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/defense-spending-fact-of-the-day_n_1746685.html

But yes, war has some kind of noticable economic effect...It's a black hole! Most soldiers who fight, don't want to be soldiers for a living. But instead, these are honest dads with careers in architecture, etc al or mothers who are nurses who would rather be serving in a civilian hospital where they're sure they'll live another day.

So with all due respect, don't call me stupid when you can't even recognize that
war destroys economic value. Both monetary capital and human capital.



Ugh, I give up. It is the philosophical and biological reasoning for which we need to continue to have a strong population, and the growth of a nation which will then provide the jobs. There's never been a species on earth, until now that has thought of its own life as expendable. When Biglundi first made this argument, I thought it was laughable and I didn't even want to address it.

Here, I'll dumb it down enough for even you to understand.

Jobs=are created by people. Jobs=are also demanded by people. More People=more jobs. A high birth rate=future generations of industry leaders, scientific leaders,
entrepreneurs, etc.

Is that simple enough?



My view, if it were widely accepted would put an end to those accidents and promiscuity. The value of sexual intercourse, of a relationship, etc. If it's taken seriously, instead of "Oh, we can just slip on a condom or oh, just take a pill." You'll find that these problems will be solved in time.

I mean, look at the teenage pregnancy rates which are skyrocketing. I thought birth control was supposed to 'help' with this problem? It seems contraception only helps to escalate the problem.

My view, is that only by upholding our society, and our social values can we hope to coexist and live in harmony in an economically sound environment. The spikes of violence that have gone up recently, coincide with our economic decline.

The "new reality" is one big massive failure, to which it's supporters can hardly comprehend.



We're not being offtopic. I discussed why I believe abortion not only to be immoral, but counterproductive to the human experience. You're not even trying to rebut me though if I'm to be honest.

The teen pregnancy rate has been dropping for some time.And as much as you don't like it, people have sex for pleasure. Learn to deal with it



What the fuck does this even mean?Are you saying everyone else descended from trash or something?

From the same source of the article: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57405370-10391704/16-and-pregnant-season-4-premieres-can-show-scare-sense-into-teens/?tag=contentMain;contentBody

So while teen pregnancy rates have improved, to use the words of the President: "We're not finished yet."

The sex for pleasure is also cited, and the statistics that fighting, impoverishment, etc that occur from it. Also interestingly, the article goes on into detail about the importance of love, commitment to each other. Things I epoused, but that seems to be foo-foo'd away by this community as: "Hey, things happen."







Geographically, yes. Europe/Asia has always been further ahead than just about everyone else. Not that it makes others 'trash'(everyone has their own value), but we should take pride in what we formerly accomplished.

I say formerly, because the state of affairs in America, in Europe now is pretty sad. What have we accomplished in the last 60 years besides getting in debt and destroying the very fabric of our civilization?

Jesus fuck Lustfulangel.

I knew you were fucking stupid, but now you're just being a racist asshole.

What's so racist about it? Who were the first ones to go to the moon? Americans. You can debate whether it was the Germans or Al Gore who popularized the Internet, but nevertheless, another advent of Western/European origin.

What popularized Democracy? Western Civilization, and our Forefathers were at the front of the most epic shift towards democracy, if Britain claims the colonies, there is no democracy.

Today, in technology, it is the Asians who've proven themselves to be quite daft and revolutionary.

This is self-evident, therefore there's no bias behind it. To be racist would be to discriminate either against an individual or a group for their racial orientation. I would appreciate it if many sentimental, naive people would stop using that word whenever they don't like to hear something.

Just because I hold pride in our European/English Past, doesn't mean that others can't hold pride in their own past.

I really don't understand how someone can type so much and yet be still so stupid. It's astounding, really.

What's astounding is that you can't comprehend that a reply like this makes you look out to be the stupid one. Look, we both have different opinions, we both think the other is stupid, so why don't we ignore each other?

It seems more like everyone else thinks you're stupid but you think you're smarter than any of your critics. Honestly, I'd tell you to go do some introspection but I doubt you will anyway.

Especially when my critics can't rebut me, or resort to ad hominem attacks on my position as you and Fatman have done.

[color=#2e1a6b]I'm pro-life, so of course I think aborting because of the gender is stupid. The pro-choice argument is that women have a "right" to choose, and this right is seemingly retained regardless of how stupid the reason is.



[color=#2e1a6b]Not everyone



[color=#2e1a6b]We call African countries "3rd world"; is that racist?

to respond to the original poster, I would need to break it down.

Widespread favoring of one sex over another for a child is one cause of such abortions. This is usually a cultural thing, sometimes forced due to government restrictions on number of children, but sometimes due to personal or cultural preferences of the number of children. This more often than not leads to favoring males. This can be for carrying the family name, or dowry expenses or any host of other favoritism toward male children. The cultural aspects causing this also causes greater number of abandoned, sold to slavery, abused, and sometimes killed female children. If the population of females are controlled, it causes a greater population of males to happen, and they find it impossible to find wives, causing more prostitution and increased rate of rape. This is all wrong and needs to be discouraged through ever aspect of society (laws, education, religion) until such favoritism is no longer. It causes too many unwanted children and the death of countless of others, as well as a difficult life for many the males not having an opertunity for a partner.

Controlling the sex of your child to have one of both through abortion. This usually a personal preference and not usually a cultural thing. Its usually not done though abortion, but through a fertility clinic that organizes the sperm in a method that separates them. I do not agree with Abortion enough to say this is alright, I agree with the right to have such, and I do not see a lasting effect due to such, but its still is a waste of a life that could have been afforded but was rejected due to a preference. But forcing one to have an unwanted child is not the best of conditions for anyone to grow up in.

Controlling the sex due to a preference that is personal but such preference is not widespread.
This is much like controlling when you want one of each, except there is a definite preference to one sex over another. This falls into the same opinion as the above where it is not the best to grow up where you are not wanted.

As for Abortion as a choice to not have a child without any notion or opinion of the potential sex, I feel that is an individuals choice. A choice I would probably not make, but that is my choice. While having my opinion that it is wrong, I would defend others opinion to choose with my voted, voiced and typed word, as well as my physical body if such is needed.

It comes all down to women's rights. While the original poster was voicing about the broad idea, the victims of this are usually girls, and its just another way of some expressing how little many cultures value women and it is a shame. I hope some day we can grow past such, but I am afraid that pride in ones name, religious and sexual stigmas will continue until everyone forces and accepts change.

As for Abortion as a choice to not have a child, I feel that is an individuals choice. A choice I would probably not make, but that is my choice. While having my opinion that it is wrong, I would defend others opinion to choose with my voted, voiced and typed word, as well as my physical body if such is needed.

Of course I am writing this as porn is playing on a banner just below...bouncy bouncy bouncy.

No. what does old NATO alliances/developing countries have to do with race?

If you're going to defend "europeans/americans are a higher class of human" and "Everyone else is descended from trash" then you're a racist fuckwit, too.

[color=#2e1a6b]I was gonna ask you the same thing. LA's statement was in the context of talking about the morals of society, which you accused of racism.



[color=#2e1a6b]BlackJesus brought up the notion that everyone else descended from trash, which LA disagreed with.

What i meant with that comment was that if Europeans are superior, by virtue that implies other races are not as good...not by virtue of sociological and geographical factors that benefited European civilizations more, but by virtue of THERE RACE.I was simply expressing my astonishment with such a notion with the "trash" comment.

May I jump in?

It is not like he wants to force them to change their minds ... he is just expressing his opinion on this matter about a topic which is extremely sensitive and probably most talked about under family communities.

I myself am pro-life ( At certain degree )because I believe life should exist regardless of it's gender and also after it's passed it's first stage to become human ... however I also cannot force my view onto others in that matter.

Although I am extremely against abortions because a child may bring blessings to his/her mother and also happiness .. so by aborting the baby simply because of selfish reasons is the same thing to me as if she doesn't know anything about babies and is willing to ignore the hopes that her child might save her life on a psychological level. ( However that is another case )

However simply to abort because of gender is the most stupid shit I have ever heard in my life, so she wants a child but only a gender of her choice? I find that very unreasonable and also unfair for the child, if the mother loves children in general and wishes to have children then she really doesn't have any say in this matter about picking her favorite dick or vagina to give birth to.

However this is just a discussion and not an argument so we should just all play cool, after all, we are all stupid apes eating bananas.

When sex-selective abortions are requested its generally because the women believes a girl will be more difficult to raise than boys rather than it coming down to favorites. This belief generally comes from women having a lower status in society, which results in things like dowrys which makes having a girl a much more difficult decision than it should be.

Is there some statistic or research proving that most abortions based on the fetus' gender are due to this?