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Ereine wrote...
We DO have privileges specifically for men, but so do females
Here's the gigantic, overshadowing difference - females had to suffer abuse, be treated as property and made slaves to male desire for
thousands of years. They were not granted their privileges until only a little while ago; even then only in a few places throughout the entire world. Still in western society females do not have the kind of privileges males do. There is absolutely no question as to which gender has been granted the better end of the stick throughout history, so of course society will look less harshly upon female - male abuse than male - female abuse. To me, it is entirely understandable and I cannot say it isn't warranted. I'm not a feminist by any means, but I will not shrug off the past like it never happened and shouldn't be taken into consideration.
Ereine wrote...
The thing that we all KNOW that if it was a husband giving his wife a smack - OR even the slightest display of aggression against a woman or a child, everyone would immediately be up in arms. Screaming for for him to be condemned into prison
Except everyone isn't up in arms when that happens, I know of many relationships past and present where the female is constantly abused, but out of fear for her safety from physical harm and her own emotional confusion, she can do nothing about it. The saddest part is most people around the girl know what's happening, but they won't do anything about it either. They do not scream for him to be condemned to prison, they are not up in arms at all. I also know, just from being alive and talking to people, that most cases of absue aren't reported, be it male or female.
I think abuse regardless of gender is wrong, but I do not lean towards whether abuse of one gender specifically is worse.
It is solely up to the individual being abused to either seek help or stop the abuse themselves. Society does tend to look less harshly upon male abuse, but there is absolutely not as massive a contrast as you have implied.
It doesn't matter if women were abused for "thousands of years" because the women now are not the same people who suffered thousands of years ago. Therefore no compensation is owed to them. Same thing to black people here in America. Some of them expect special treatment because their great grandparents were slaves. That's complete BS, as compensation is only owed to the party that suffered. Any compensation owed for the abused ended when the last former slave died. These people haven't suffered at all and thus are not owed compensation.
Many statistics have already shown that the majority of well paying jobs are held by males, the majority of people in office are male as well. Had women's suffrage come earlier and had they been given the same rights as men for the past few thousand years, I can almost guarantee you the story would be very different. The chances of a female achieving the same level of success as a male in today's society are definitely impeded by their history (that isn't to say it can't be done), if you don't believe me ask your (grand)mother, hell, ask any woman who's tried to work her way up through a corporation's ranks.
Do you actually think blacks don't suffer still because of what happened in the past? There are a lot of southerners who would still consider them slaves if they had the chance, tales of beatings and anti-black hate are fairly prevalent throughout society if you haven't noticed. The suffering does not stop just because a few actions were taken and they moved a few steps forward, there are going to be aftershocks of the events that happened for years to come. So yes, compensation is still owed, because neither parties you've spoken about are on equal footing with the white male populace.
Well none of my family members have jobs in corporations so I don't have a clue about this kind of stuff, but we are immigrants who came from China and face unequal treatment from whites and blacks alike. Were we granted compensation for anything? No. Then again what I just said wasn't related to the post much. The reason why there aren't as many women in higher office positions is that a large number of them choose not to go into that career. Many still fancy the notion of stay at home moms and such. Also just because there's anti-black hatred in the south doesn't mean they should receive compensation for what happened to their great grandparents.
I used to live in a heavily Asian populated city on the west coast, my brother and I were the only white kids in our entire class for quite a few years, so I can understand what it's like to be hated upon just because of your ethnicity.
Neither of us seem to be willing to budge on our perspectives and opinions on the matter at hand, so I think it'd be best to leave it as is, I can't see it progressing any farther intellectually than it already has anyways.
With that however, I still think OP is exaggerating the issues with male abuse and the way society deals with it.
I have to disagree with you. As OP said, it isnt regular, but it happens. We arent putting enough attention on it to gain some footground for investigation. We need some research to actually get actual facts and percentage of it. I think it can be below 10%, around 5% i think.
Lets just say, the thing you belived was truth, was found out that it was a lie.
Your mind cannot accept it, because you belived in it for a long time. You just cannot figure out why and your mind gets into conflict between the heard truth and the setted beliefs.
There are cases like that, but it isnt on the headlines.