religion, oh god... gods!
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Cruz
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AzureKaos wrote...
cruz737 wrote...
AzureKaos wrote...
Religion, for me is a BASE from which good behavior is derived. I don't consider myself catholic but i stick to the 10 commandments like glue because to me, it feels like common sense. Don't kill people? Sure. Don't steal? Do you know what they do to thieves in some countries!? I quite like my phalanges. They are useful for...things. I won't deny that religion played an important part of my life because without it, i'd probably be a god-hating heathen that lost his humanity years ago.
But good behavior is something evolution kind of installed into us to increase our survival chance. Cooperation, compassion, love, egotism, all of those existed before any of the Abrahamic religions begun. Codes of ethics and morals were implemented local communities and in greater empires.
Have you questioned why some of these values are "common sense" to you? How about the people during the creation of these guidelines? Do you genuinely believe that they can't exist in the absence of belief in a higher power? Religious institutions were not the creators of the 10 amendments or common law, there were enforcers.
I was actually waiting or someone to bring this up.
I don't feel bad saying i agree that evolution played a part in how we act today, but it doesn't have me completely convinced. If you look at evolution at a macro level, survival of the fittest eliminates the need to act accordingly in a society. You only need to be able to pass on your genes efficiently. Being nice to others may lengthen your life span but seriously, when these rules were put into place, the life expectancy was not very long. Looking at how things are today, it's very easy to say that people can live without the presence of a higher power as many people do already.
But back in the days where Catholicism was the only accepted religion in many parts of Europe and what's now the United States, politics and religion were basically the same thing. During the first Council of Nicea, the only accepted form of Roman Catholicism was agreed upon and overnight, thousands of people became heretics. So to that, i would agree that religion institutions were enforcers.
Evolution has more than "a part". If you look at evolution at a Macro level, the most successful species are those who are able to co-exist with each and other species around them. There are powers in numbers. Not to undermine the achievements of thousands but no human has really done anything worth of notice completely on his/her own.
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God is your concept and people can have it as their lifestyle, we've created literature because of religion. Realise that without opinion and belief. Because of the good acts of biblical figures, we have decided to involve in the foundation of morals we act within everyday.
But I depart from religion and never talk about it. People thought I was an Athiest when I said I don't want to talk about christianity and title me as so. I think it's a unfair deal that I'm idolised for being an atheists but I have done nothing bad to them. Biased people don't know where to think and what to observe.
I go my way and they go their way. This is a matter of perception, not objectivity and logic. Post-modernist literalist. After world war, there was the attitude of people accepting the worst without depression and glorify what they wanted. People can still go through that now because of domestic problems and influence of historical figures and events.
But I depart from religion and never talk about it. People thought I was an Athiest when I said I don't want to talk about christianity and title me as so. I think it's a unfair deal that I'm idolised for being an atheists but I have done nothing bad to them. Biased people don't know where to think and what to observe.
I go my way and they go their way. This is a matter of perception, not objectivity and logic. Post-modernist literalist. After world war, there was the attitude of people accepting the worst without depression and glorify what they wanted. People can still go through that now because of domestic problems and influence of historical figures and events.
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KozWanderer wrote...
God is your concept and people can have it as their lifestyle, we've created literature because of religion. Realize that without opinion and belief.I doubt we have literature because of religion. There are many ancient civilizations that had literature which didn't have anything to do with religion and some of them didn't even have any religion to begin with.
KozWanderer wrote...
Because of the good acts of biblical figures, we have decided to involve in the foundation of morals we act within everyday.Religion gets its morals from us, not the other way around.
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Coconutt wrote...
KozWanderer wrote...
God is your concept and people can have it as their lifestyle, we've created literature because of religion. Realize that without opinion and belief.I doubt we have literature because of religion. There are many ancient civilizations that had literature which didn't have anything to do with religion and some of them didn't even have any religion to begin with.
KozWanderer wrote...
Because of the good acts of biblical figures, we have decided to involve in the foundation of morals we act within everyday.Religion gets its morals from us, not the other way around.
Now that you confronted that we made literature ourselves, your pretty much right. But religion brought us the development of literature, vikings who engraved words and pictures about gods had much influence in today. Christian facilities hold numerous scrolls and had education as well. Religion pretty much made the usefulness of literature. Folk tales, fairy tales and mythology also changed literature but not as much as religion ever since this and that.
On the second part:
Biblical figure, if you consider all the practices of the religious acts. Your attention may go to good will practices, many people fought for it since they had no where to go. The crusaders and arabians showed how undeveloped people's logic were until aftermath giving wisdom and reason to question why is this or that. Christianity, Buddha, Hinduism were all big parts of the world's culture in the East and West which had a branch of philosophical influence.
Our society revolved much around religion and ideology which makes it worth saying that religion is a undoubtedly incredible progression up all the way through present day. It was involved in the biggest parts of society until the last few hundred years where it was more about civilisation progressing.
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KozWanderer wrote...
Now that you confronted that we made literature ourselves, your pretty much right. But religion brought us the development of literature, vikings who engraved words and pictures about gods had much influence in today. Christian facilities hold numerous scrolls and had education as well. Religion pretty much made the usefulness of literature. Folk tales, fairy tales and mythology also changed literature but not as much as religion ever since this and that.For sure religion has been an important part in our development of literature and still is today, but we don't have literature because of it. On a side note, whether religion has been an important part of human literature or not has absolutely nothing to do with its validity.
KozWanderer wrote...
Biblical figure, if you consider all the practices of the religious acts. Your attention may go to good will practices, many people fought for it since they had no where to go. The crusaders and arabians showed how undeveloped people's logic were until aftermath giving wisdom and reason to question why is this or that. Christianity, Buddha, Hinduism were all big parts of the world's culture in the East and West which had a branch of philosophical influence. Our society revolved much around religion and ideology which makes it worth saying that religion is a undoubtedly incredible progression up all the way through present day. It was involved in the biggest parts of society until the last few hundred years where it was more about civilisation progressing.
I am not denying that religion has played a huge role in the history of our species and still does, but all the progress religion supposedly has made, a lot of it was done by progression outside of religion. Religious morality has improved because of secularism, not because of religion for example. Religion has its place in our history, but i don't think it has any usefulness in our present time or in the future.
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Coconutt wrote...
KozWanderer wrote...
Now that you confronted that we made literature ourselves, your pretty much right. But religion brought us the development of literature, vikings who engraved words and pictures about gods had much influence in today. Christian facilities hold numerous scrolls and had education as well. Religion pretty much made the usefulness of literature. Folk tales, fairy tales and mythology also changed literature but not as much as religion ever since this and that.For sure religion has been an important part in our development of literature and still is today, but we don't have literature because of it. On a side note, whether religion has been an important part of human literature or not has absolutely nothing to do with its validity.
KozWanderer wrote...
Biblical figure, if you consider all the practices of the religious acts. Your attention may go to good will practices, many people fought for it since they had no where to go. The crusaders and arabians showed how undeveloped people's logic were until aftermath giving wisdom and reason to question why is this or that. Christianity, Buddha, Hinduism were all big parts of the world's culture in the East and West which had a branch of philosophical influence. Our society revolved much around religion and ideology which makes it worth saying that religion is a undoubtedly incredible progression up all the way through present day. It was involved in the biggest parts of society until the last few hundred years where it was more about civilisation progressing.
I am not denying that religion has played a huge role in the history of our species and still does, but all the progress religion supposedly has made, a lot of it was done by progression outside of religion. Religious morality has improved because of secularism, not because of religion for example. Religion has its place in our history, but i don't think it has any usefulness in our present time or in the future.
I can't disagree to what your saying.