Rising police brutality, and the effect of its reaction.

With the rising of people stupidity, police have also have been responding with beyond there legal rights with the force they use, from shooting a family's harmless pony in the head in oregon, to killings in newyork over ciggerette tax, ether way the police have been crossing some lines as of lately that should never be crossed, what is your opionon on this subject, and how do you think the current public will react if this continues or worsens, so you believe the public will respond with malice, or will it lead to an all out open season on the police and goverment causing the usa to become a police state. Sorry if my spellings bad, but im curious on your thoughts on this subjects and arguments.

I'd say it's a global trend. I have been threatened to get shot at while I got arrested for a minor punishable act (not even a crime). But concerning the US, yes appears to me to become a police state, since police gets buffer up within used military surplus and uses such to hold down riots and political demonstrations.

Plus it does not help that the us justice system that is in place to be fair to all, is being corrupted to help get cops who are dlearly in the wrong off scott free

This is nothing new. It is more known because of the internet which allows videos to come up about it. I'm glad it is getting media. The corrupt establishment needs to be exposed for all people and denominations!

so yiu belive there will be any action from the public if this does not stop, or lack of action?

There will be reactions. It's nothing you could keep on playing down. It could lead to scenarios making Ferguson look like a cheap attempt. It will require a large amount of civil unrest, but given the fact that economies are slowly collapsing and governments are losing the justification for their ways, it's just a matter of time.

Of course police brutality is just another brick in this wall, but it's serving a purpose.

do you believe with the lack of propper responce from the failing justice system, these police who are crossing lines, and violating peoples civil rights, and even taking lives with out any proper or legal cause, will cause the public to retaliate agains the local police force if it is not soon corrected, and a chance that there will be an all out another cival war in the usa, between police force abd goverment, and people of the public who feel they are being easly wronged, and violated, who in the end will stand in arms and defend what they think is right? If this senerio does lead to happening what do you think the goverments actions will be, to toss away are basic and legal human rights and forve us into a police state with martial law, and a police state.

What is improving is the coverage about the issue, because it's a problem that has been there since always. But it was better hidden because common people was not interested in involving themselves in things like that. The problem itself has remained quite stagnant in all the countries where police can use firearms (something I don't disagree with to be honest, but occasional brutality is the payback).

Now this problem is a lot more common in countries who are engaging wars in their territory (like Colombia, Mexico, Syria, Iraq, Somalia and Ukraine currently), as police is various time more paranoid and more used to happy trigger without consequences. Also more common in dictatorships (too many to mention) and unstable states (Venezuela, Egypt, Libya and few more). Now, it should not happen, but it is also more common in the U.S, Russia and most post-soviet states, mainly because all the frikking population is armed, so police is constantly paranoid and happy triggers really quickly as even a 14 years old kid can shoot you back (and kids have shoot back a lot in the past to be unfounded).

So yeah, if you want to have weapons and being able to buy them with your milk at the supermarket this is one of the consequences. Anyway, public reactions will make that police will be more fearsome to happy trigger so quickly as more, more, more, and more cases are unveil (they always happened, but now they are covered). It will take a time, though, but it will happen. Now this have the drawback that more polices will get injured as they will have forbidden to protect themselves freely without judgment, so it is just a thing for other.

Now on U.S on specific there is also involved a lot of racism as the big majority of the targets are black. I don't think it is in a "we hate blacks" fashion (at least not all cases, I'm sure there is something of it as well) but rather "when I see a black dude I pee my pants because I think he is really dangerous so I must be more cautious", but that is a prejudge produced by racism anyway. Hopefully this part of the problem will get fixed with the pass of a few more decades (hastened by publics reactions), I really hope so.

For a civil war you still need more than just a brutal police. You'd need a growing mistrust into the government (which is also provided by police brutality) and high levels of social insecurities (unemployment, weak infrastructure, failing economy). The people need to see that everything they work for and everything on the streets is just turning to dust.

Retaliation? No, that will not happen (aside a very few crazy pals that nobody cares about), but people will make pressure to makes those cases go to tribunals. This is also triggering a higher disapproval of police, and that affects them as police cadets inscribe a lot for the prestige of the institution, so the institution itself can't keep those things unattended for too long.

When it comes to rise in Police Brutality it is hard to answer. Some of the brutality cases that are showing up are seen as racist due to a white cop killing a black child. In all honesty I think cops are getting a little more trigger happy even though police brutality has been in this world for a long time. There is a such thing as criminal profiling and people can see it as racist but I think they are profiling people for a reason. Well some cops anyway. I can't really think of a solution for this issue because humans are a very hard headed race. People are going to do what they want whether they can get away with it or not.

United States is indeed more alike to the European Union rather a normal country. But then, even in the EU, if something outrageous happens in one of it's countries, all the other countries react and also try to analyze if they share the same problem after all, as they are very similar culturally wise and in practical effects. So, even if it is just some police stations fault, it is still a country wise problem, specially because it is happening in so many different states that you can't say it's just a single states' problem or a single police station's fault.




You can say criminal profiling and fine, but then their profile is absolutely out from reality by a massive gap, a gap that is solely racisms' fault. Black people is the target of happy trigger by an absurd proportion. Even some police stations recognized they have racism problems in their institution and will try to amend it. It is something similar that happens here (Chile), police profiles low class people as various times more dangerous, even when we have more violent crimes recorded (%) coming from high class pals: that is a obvious case of classicism (fueled by ignorance like any arbitrary discrimination).

That does not mean that everyone are racist or that there exist an organized hate like a new Ku Klux Klan in the police. But that does mean that there still exist hardcore racists in the U.S (even if are few) and than subconscious racism is still common. Something must be done to the respect to eliminate it for once for all, specially from institutions. Now that does not change the fact that police is happy triggering too much, but it is a hard problem to solve as sometimes the happy triggers indeed saves their life (it is absurd than even a kid can shoot you back, but that is the U.S' reality). It can be reduced by people's protest, but I don't know how much you can reduce happy triggering before actually starting to lose more cops there, though we will know for sure more soon than later for good with all those protests.

The only thing that I can say about the US is that there seem to be many people who miss the Confederacy, at least judging by what the news tell us here.

Also, shit like that happens here in Italy as well - there have been cases of people beaten to death by police after being taken into custody (or, in at least one case, simply curbstomped where they were apprehended). Most of those people were guilty of minor crimes at worst or, in the case where the victim was killed on-site, simply behaving in a deranged way.

The most notorious case of police brutality in recent times, at least for me, is still the G8 held in Genoa in 2001 - one guy was shot dead and there were truly savage beatings of demonstrators, be it students or workers or whatever.

By now, police here seem very competent at countering workers' demonstrations, yet some weeks ago no one managed to stop some drunk Dutch hooligans from trashing monuments in Rome.

Guess there's a reason why A.C.A.B. is such a popular slogan among youths.

I would ask how many incidents are we talking about here and do you have all the facts?

There are hundreds of thousands of police officers in the US who deal with anywhere from routine traffic stops to Crazy people wielding guns and beyond everyday. So there are who knows how many situations that are dealt with all across the country just in one day.

You are going to find police officers that are not good at their job or down right bad at it but this is no different than any other form of employment. While some incidents may be avoided there is no system of policing that wont have such incidents. The question is how many is too many and is there a system out there that can do better than the current one?




I'm not sure the US is headed towards a police state but even if it is it isn't going to happen overnight and that means that there could be who knows how many other situations that could push the trend back in the other other direction. Also riots are not something you want happening so if police need to react to it with military leftovers then so be it. As for political demonstrations they are not things that you can just do. If you get the permit to do such things then that's fine but many that are happening are not getting such permits and could possibly turn to rioting in which case the police respond with riot gear to try and break it up.

The only way I see the U.S becoming a police state with martial law and all that good stuff is if a nuclear/biological weapon is detonated right here in U.S soil causing mass deaths.
Kinda like what happened with the Patriot Act after 9-11. You need something of greater magnitude to really put the U.S in that direction. I don't really feel the violent riots will be enough to bring about such outcome.

As for the police, I kinda want to say fuck the popo but really I only had good experiences with them. Just recently one of the neighbors kid set fire to one my windows. And I know it was this kid cus just a few weeks back he threw rocks at my parents and shouted, "nigger, nigger, nigger!", while they were on the backyard.
I ofc called the cops then and told the officer that its fine if they don't like us, that's cool, but there needs to be some civility and amount of respect regardless.
I don't really blame the kid since I knew it was thx to his parents and grandparents that he was acting like this. I forgot to mention I live in a hillbilly town.

The officers that came the night of the fire were cordial and very helpful.
I will say that they didn't strike me as your typical cop. From the way they carried themselves and their build, I'd say they probably served in the army. A few days passed and a shitload of cops came to take the kids father aways, apparently he was into the meth making businesses.... So, I guess they learned a good lesson: If you are going into the drug business, don't bring attention to yourself by being an asshole.



TLDR - Police state won't happen unless another 9-11 type attack occurs.
Police peeps took my side and didn't shoot me despite being Mexican ._.

The point i was trying to make, i may not word correctly, but i will try to, is that federal ruling stated that police are no longer here to protect and serve, they are here to simply inforce the law, with that kind of thinking, and quick note, not all police are bad, i have a drinking buddy who is a state trooper and me and him get into this discussion often, there are power hungery men out there with bages on, also men and women with proper training or mind set to be police yet they still are, these officers are the ones who are more often violate are civil rights out of not understanding the law, or because they feel there pride has been challaged, these rotten police who are involved in these situation, are bringing a bad name to police and the good ones who are trying to do there job right are being bundled together, if its because more of thes3 moments are happening, or because more are just simple coming to light, the public view of police is changing to the worst, i think people will be fed up, something will star a chain reaction, some dumb asses who are fed up are going to go on open season, and both good police officers and bad will be targeted with violent force and may loose there lifes, this will enrage the other police and more police will use force and violate are rights because of these so called cop killers, innocent p3ople will be stopped, arrested, carged or even beaten or killed, it will be and out cry from the public, civilions will nkt sgand for it and with the justice system not wanting to properly charge dirty cops, or police who have fucked up because they protect there own, this will also inrage the public soon more shoots will happen, more police and m3mbers of the public will be harmed, police will react in full, rioting will happen, some one in the riot will shoot at officers, police will fire back in responce many will die, more roiting will happen cause of the outrage and outcrys, this will spreax, with this "war" going on, martial law will be inforced, more so in the higher populated areas, people violating even the simple of laws will be prosicuted with a heavy hand, and even killed quickly, govefment will change to manage the public and we will have a police state, do i 5hink this will happen soon, maybe not but it will probibly happen in the next 10 years is how i feel.

I think people in the US should stop reinforcing stereotypes like "all cops are bad" and "in all police shooting incidents the civilian was totally innocent", and also the same way cops should stop reinforcing their stereotypes like "most black people are violent thugs" and "all latinos are gang bangers". Without these type of changes and more, we are going to see a lot more of these incidents where cops kill civilians and civilians fight back, because it is turning into this "us vs. them" type of deal. People are fearing this government supervised buggy man who only cares about violating our rights, when in reality there is 1000 times more examples where cops really are the good guys and protecting you from the real bad guy.

All these cases should be looked at individually and not lump them into this "another cop kills an unarmed civilian" type of bullshit. Sure these are similar incidents, but there are more people killed by drunken drivers than by cops, and yet nobody gives a shit about that or riots against that.

I do agree that we need way more oversight of police, cops wearing shoulder cameras should be mandatory, Ferguson type racists statistic need to be addressed and fixed. As far as i know the police salary in the US is paid by tax dollars, meaning that the society should be their boss, we the people should decide what the duties of police officers are, we the people should have more say as to what the level of requirements are for hiring police. The shoulder cameras ALONE would improve the legal issue of these shootings, because then we would have way more better understanding was the cop justified under the law to use lethal force or not. Right now all we can rely on are bad footage shot by pedestrians, and when we don't even have that, it will be the cops words against the dead civilians.

The media is making a bigger issue of it than it is. There's bad apples in every tree, but the good far outnumber the bad. The system isn't perfect, and it does need reform. I like the idea of police wearing body cameras, but that's not a perfect solution either. Somebody is bound to get around it in the future.

What worries me is that the issue is getting so much attention that prejudices develop and people may become paranoid--both police and civilians. When that happens, a situation like this occurs:

> cop takes action against civilian.
> civilian panics, worried for their life, and doesn't follow orders or resists the cop entirely.
> cop worries that the civilian may be dangerous and becomes more aggressive in return.
>civilian's fears become justified and, responding to the pain and stress of the situation, may fight to get away or get the cop to stop.
> cop panics fearing for his/her life and may use excessive force or, in some cases, shoots the civilian outright.

This is just one example that comes to mind. It also assumes that both the cop and civilian are actually decent people. Like I said before, there's bad apples on both sides. All it takes is one time though, for another incident like Ferguson to happen.

what about the shooting where a cop shot an unarmed naked man, who was a retired vet and senial from old age. The guy posed no harm, or the girl who was shot by cops while she was sleeping, the cop who shot a family dog because it was barking but not advancing, continued to fire, fell down continue to shoot at the dog with one hand and end up shooting a mother in her chest