Rising police brutality, and the effect of its reaction.
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El ORLY
*PokerFace*
Anyone here remembers the Abner Louima case?
Abner Louima
I was living in NY when it happened.
I do remember being afraid of the cops when I used the subway.
Don't have much to say but just wanted to bring this case to the thread.
Abner Louima
I was living in NY when it happened.
I do remember being afraid of the cops when I used the subway.
Don't have much to say but just wanted to bring this case to the thread.
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El ORLY wrote...
Anyone here remembers the Abner Louima case?Abner Louima
I was living in NY when it happened.
I do remember being afraid of the cops when I used the subway.
Don't have much to say but just wanted to bring this case to the thread.
You hear about about the guy who snipes two cookie officers during a riot?
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Illumia Sarrow wrote...
what about the shooting where a cop shot an unarmed naked man, who was a retired vet and senial from old age. The guy posed no harm, or the girl who was shot by cops while she was sleeping, the cop who shot a family dog because it was barking but not advancing, continued to fire, fell down continue to shoot at the dog with one hand and end up shooting a mother in her chestThose would be the bad apples I mentioned. Some cops are just criminals given a position of power--sadists, thugs, men who want to play god. Others are just plain stupid or couldn't handle the stress of dealing with violent criminals--they snap just like some soldiers would. Cops are human too. We all have agendas. If I were a cop and I had reason to believe someone I loved was in danger, I would do whatever it took to protect them--even if it meant stepping beyond my legal jurisdiction. That's why I'm not a cop.
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Watashi no Doku wrote...
Illumia Sarrow wrote...
what about the shooting where a cop shot an unarmed naked man, who was a retired vet and senial from old age. The guy posed no harm, or the girl who was shot by cops while she was sleeping, the cop who shot a family dog because it was barking but not advancing, continued to fire, fell down continue to shoot at the dog with one hand and end up shooting a mother in her chestThose would be the bad apples I mentioned. Some cops are just criminals given a position of power--sadists, thugs, men who want to play god. Others are just plain stupid or couldn't handle the stress of dealing with violent criminals--they snap just like some soldiers would. Cops are human too. We all have agendas. If I were a cop and I had reason to believe someone I loved was in danger, I would do whatever it took to protect them--even if it meant stepping beyond my legal jurisdiction. That's why I'm not a cop.
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Illumia Sarrow wrote...
I think they should have the shoulder cams, yearly lie detector test to see if they are not doing anything illegal or abuse of power, and phyc test from and out side counseling to make sure they right in the head, if they are not, can them.I absolutely agree with you on the shoulder cams and especially the psychological examinations. It's not just the police department, I think counselors should be available for everyone for free AND should be mandatory in certain places (definitely the police department and the military). But with the state the American health care system is in, I don't see that happening anytime soon. A lot of countries have totally free health care, but that's a separate topic entirely.
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El ORLY
*PokerFace*
Illumia Sarrow wrote...
El ORLY wrote...
Anyone here remembers the Abner Louima case?Abner Louima
I was living in NY when it happened.
I do remember being afraid of the cops when I used the subway.
Don't have much to say but just wanted to bring this case to the thread.
You hear about about the guy who snipes two cookie officers during a riot?
Yea.
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Coconutt wrote...
I think people in the US should stop reinforcing stereotypes like "all cops are bad" and "in all police shooting incidents the civilian was totally innocent", and also the same way cops should stop reinforcing their stereotypes like "most black people are violent thugs" and "all latinos are gang bangers". Without these type of changes and more, we are going to see a lot more of these incidents where cops kill civilians and civilians fight back, because it is turning into this "us vs. them" type of deal. People are fearing this government supervised buggy man who only cares about violating our rights, when in reality there is 1000 times more examples where cops really are the good guys and protecting you from the real bad guy.All these cases should be looked at individually and not lump them into this "another cop kills an unarmed civilian" type of bullshit. Sure these are similar incidents, but there are more people killed by drunken drivers than by cops, and yet nobody gives a shit about that or riots against that.
I do agree that we need way more oversight of police, cops wearing shoulder cameras should be mandatory, Ferguson type racists statistic need to be addressed and fixed. As far as i know the police salary in the US is paid by tax dollars, meaning that the society should be their boss, we the people should decide what the duties of police officers are, we the people should have more say as to what the level of requirements are for hiring police. The shoulder cameras ALONE would improve the legal issue of these shootings, because then we would have way more better understanding was the cop justified under the law to use lethal force or not. Right now all we can rely on are bad footage shot by pedestrians, and when we don't even have that, it will be the cops words against the dead civilians.
I agree with all this, though shoulder cameras are costly (for a lot of things aside the camera itself, too) and though some states can easily pay them, others does not have too much resources for things like that. It should still be implemented by law on the states who can cost it without much troubles.
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Nyara❤ wrote...
Coconutt wrote...
I think people in the US should stop reinforcing stereotypes like "all cops are bad" and "in all police shooting incidents the civilian was totally innocent", and also the same way cops should stop reinforcing their stereotypes like "most black people are violent thugs" and "all latinos are gang bangers". Without these type of changes and more, we are going to see a lot more of these incidents where cops kill civilians and civilians fight back, because it is turning into this "us vs. them" type of deal. People are fearing this government supervised buggy man who only cares about violating our rights, when in reality there is 1000 times more examples where cops really are the good guys and protecting you from the real bad guy.All these cases should be looked at individually and not lump them into this "another cop kills an unarmed civilian" type of bullshit. Sure these are similar incidents, but there are more people killed by drunken drivers than by cops, and yet nobody gives a shit about that or riots against that.
I do agree that we need way more oversight of police, cops wearing shoulder cameras should be mandatory, Ferguson type racists statistic need to be addressed and fixed. As far as i know the police salary in the US is paid by tax dollars, meaning that the society should be their boss, we the people should decide what the duties of police officers are, we the people should have more say as to what the level of requirements are for hiring police. The shoulder cameras ALONE would improve the legal issue of these shootings, because then we would have way more better understanding was the cop justified under the law to use lethal force or not. Right now all we can rely on are bad footage shot by pedestrians, and when we don't even have that, it will be the cops words against the dead civilians.
I agree with all this, though shoulder cameras are costly (for a lot of things aside the camera itself, too) and though some states can easily pay them, others does not have too much resources for things like that. It should still be implemented by law on the states who can cost it without much troubles.
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Illumia Sarrow wrote...
shoulder cams are cheaper then police investigation, and lawsuitsThose will happen anyway, regardless camera or not, all it changes is the result. What is good, I will not deny it, but you have to train polices to learn how to use shoulder cams, you need them to make routine controls about battery, saving space and so. Also the cameras themselves aren't that cheaper themselves. The cost is too high for just working as evidence for extremely uncommon (clearly illegal) abuse cases, but some states can pay that without resenting too much the cost by %.
It's just that some states like Florida or Alabama or Mississippi just don't have enough resources to pay for secondary stuff like that without translating on contracting less polices in the first place. Police system on the U.S does not work at federal level at all, so it's up to each state, and the U.S being so diverse, you see states with minimal taxes and other with huge taxes, some states with just mid-high incomes equivalent to those of Spain and others with very high incomes equivalent to those of Norway.
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Illumia Sarrow wrote...
I think they should have the shoulder cams, yearly lie detector test to see if they are not doing anything illegal or abuse of power, and phyc test from and out side counseling to make sure they right in the head, if they are not, can them.All of that would be quite costly and it may not get overall any better results than we are getting right now. Better to me would be to have less bureaucracy so that it is much easier to can bad cops. It's really hard to can someone currently in most government jobs.
Watashi no Doku wrote...
It's not just the police department, I think counselors should be available for everyone for free AND should be mandatory in certain places (definitely the police department and the military). Who are you talking about when you say everyone? Because free in large scale, while sounding nice, doesn't work out that well in practice.