Sexuality - Either/Or?
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I'll agree to disagree at this point, sure.
I didn't bother opening that link because I figured it was just another one of those biased questionnaires that give results based on one mindset. This is actually the reason I never take any "How ( ) are you?!" tests regardless of what the topic at hand is.
I can tell you that none of my friends, save for my brother, think on the same path that I do in almost all categories. They are, however, people that can change their thinking based on logic, as I've done to them many times to think differently on many different concepts. This is the reason I asked you to do more research or testing or polls. If they can't even be remotely convinced despite me reading your theory word for word, then I came to the conclusion that you need more facts or opinions. I assure you I didn't add anything like "Doesn't this sound silly" to them, as I'm actually open to new ideas as long as they make sense or can be improved to make sense. I don't have generally simplistic views on everything, sexuality is just one of those things I choose not to pay that much attention to, because if someone tell me they're gay/straight/bi, I'm not going to ask them "How much of each?". I'm just going to say "Alright". I can also assure you they don't have the same narcissistic tendencies as I do. Maybe they have the same tendencies as each other, but certainly not the same as I. I was forced to take a standardized narcissism test once in high school or so, and my score would tell anyone that if anything, I actually ~need~ more narcissism, as too little is apparently unhealthy. One of my companions is a homosexual (To this I said "Okay.") and even he didn't see how such a conclusion could be come up with. I try to get opinions from all sources, so I asked him because I figured "Of course people who call themselves straight wouldn't admit to being partially homosexual". The response was certainly unexpected. And if you don't want me to misunderstand your statement, then don't actually edit my response to what you misunderstood it as.
Of course I didn't meet those people, but I do know there is a condition that's believed to erase all morality from a person. I didn't mention complete morality because I said "In fact,". As in the prior sentence is biased regardless because everyone has their own concept of moral/immoral things. I thought this was implied but I digress.
I'm not saying that sexuality is black and white, I'm saying that from what I've heard, and in my opinion, it's much easier to just make it black or white, as getting into the specifics is sometimes inappropriate depending on how you say it, and may make yourself or others uncomfortable or just plain confused. I don't despise percentages in general, no. I don't despise percentages not even in this case. I just find them unnecessary because I'd rather someone just tell me their sexual orientation and leave it at that, rather than get into specifics I really don't care about because I generally don't care about the sexuality of others at all. I'm also not saying percentiles are just stupid in general or anything. I actually think you may be on to something here, you just need more evidence or facts to support it, rather than these off the wall propositions.
I never say "most" or "all", because I can't speak for everybody, hence the reason I said "many", because of everyone I talked to, nobody believed it for a second. So putting it in terms of percentages, 100% either didn't understand it or thought it was complete rubbish. I very well can't go to everyone in the world and ask them about it personally, but as I'm sure you've learned in Statistics, is that it's easier to get results from a selected group of people if you can't immediately question millions of people.
I respond because you leave room for debate. And since SD is for debates and the discussion of different propositions or theories, then I reply. I'd hate to just leave you hanging in case you wanted me to respond to something. And once again, as I've said before. I haven't labeled myself "straight with no homosexual tendencies". I haven't really labeled myself at all in terms of sexuality because I honestly wouldn't care if I was 100% gay or 50/50 Bi. If other people were to label me, while actually knowing me, they'd call me an asexual if anything. I've been approached with sex a few times before, and completely ignored the person in question, or dismissed them. I have a condition in which I seldom see myself at all, and if you were to ask me how my day went or how am I doing, I honestly wouldn't be able to answer the question properly, despite how simple other people make it seem. In cases like these, I either say "It sure was" or "I sure am", which people find not to be an even remotely valid response but I digress.
It's not uncommon for someone to misunderstand anyone else, so you'll have to excuse me for being human. The reason I ask these questions or give my input is ~BECAUSE~ I don't understand fully the context of your statements, so it's only natural for me to say something you find out of context. I understand the simple version, I just don't understand the reasoning behind it. I thought the purpose was to go beyond a simplistic approach, so of course I can't fully understand the simple version of such a complex theory. I wouldn't say that I'm in denial about having homosexual tendencies, because I don't pay enough attention to myself personally to know anything like that. Despite how much I say otherwise, you still seem to have this thought in your head where I'm saying I'm 200% Straight, with no ifs, ands, or buts about it. I assure you that is not the case. In terms of understanding sexuality, I'd say you have some research to do as well, as I've been saying this entire time. This debate could be fruitless in the case that since sexuality cannot be completely understood by any one person despite how hard they may try, we're both right and both wrong. In the case where the 100% specifics aren't known, or even 75% , it's easier to temporarily make it black or white until we can understand it.
Yes, they're all sexual, but he made it seem almost as if they were pretty much the same thing, as if everyone just nonchalantly rolls into a stationary ball like Sonic in crazy glue, and performs oral sex on themselves. Something like this takes talent and effort. I'm not denying they're all sexual, they're just not in direct relation to each other.
I hope this has cleared up any confusion so we can better understand each other. If you have any other thoughts, suggestions, or questions, feel free to let me know so I can elaborate on what you don't understand, as you've done for me.
I didn't bother opening that link because I figured it was just another one of those biased questionnaires that give results based on one mindset. This is actually the reason I never take any "How ( ) are you?!" tests regardless of what the topic at hand is.
I can tell you that none of my friends, save for my brother, think on the same path that I do in almost all categories. They are, however, people that can change their thinking based on logic, as I've done to them many times to think differently on many different concepts. This is the reason I asked you to do more research or testing or polls. If they can't even be remotely convinced despite me reading your theory word for word, then I came to the conclusion that you need more facts or opinions. I assure you I didn't add anything like "Doesn't this sound silly" to them, as I'm actually open to new ideas as long as they make sense or can be improved to make sense. I don't have generally simplistic views on everything, sexuality is just one of those things I choose not to pay that much attention to, because if someone tell me they're gay/straight/bi, I'm not going to ask them "How much of each?". I'm just going to say "Alright". I can also assure you they don't have the same narcissistic tendencies as I do. Maybe they have the same tendencies as each other, but certainly not the same as I. I was forced to take a standardized narcissism test once in high school or so, and my score would tell anyone that if anything, I actually ~need~ more narcissism, as too little is apparently unhealthy. One of my companions is a homosexual (To this I said "Okay.") and even he didn't see how such a conclusion could be come up with. I try to get opinions from all sources, so I asked him because I figured "Of course people who call themselves straight wouldn't admit to being partially homosexual". The response was certainly unexpected. And if you don't want me to misunderstand your statement, then don't actually edit my response to what you misunderstood it as.
Of course I didn't meet those people, but I do know there is a condition that's believed to erase all morality from a person. I didn't mention complete morality because I said "In fact,". As in the prior sentence is biased regardless because everyone has their own concept of moral/immoral things. I thought this was implied but I digress.
I'm not saying that sexuality is black and white, I'm saying that from what I've heard, and in my opinion, it's much easier to just make it black or white, as getting into the specifics is sometimes inappropriate depending on how you say it, and may make yourself or others uncomfortable or just plain confused. I don't despise percentages in general, no. I don't despise percentages not even in this case. I just find them unnecessary because I'd rather someone just tell me their sexual orientation and leave it at that, rather than get into specifics I really don't care about because I generally don't care about the sexuality of others at all. I'm also not saying percentiles are just stupid in general or anything. I actually think you may be on to something here, you just need more evidence or facts to support it, rather than these off the wall propositions.
I never say "most" or "all", because I can't speak for everybody, hence the reason I said "many", because of everyone I talked to, nobody believed it for a second. So putting it in terms of percentages, 100% either didn't understand it or thought it was complete rubbish. I very well can't go to everyone in the world and ask them about it personally, but as I'm sure you've learned in Statistics, is that it's easier to get results from a selected group of people if you can't immediately question millions of people.
I respond because you leave room for debate. And since SD is for debates and the discussion of different propositions or theories, then I reply. I'd hate to just leave you hanging in case you wanted me to respond to something. And once again, as I've said before. I haven't labeled myself "straight with no homosexual tendencies". I haven't really labeled myself at all in terms of sexuality because I honestly wouldn't care if I was 100% gay or 50/50 Bi. If other people were to label me, while actually knowing me, they'd call me an asexual if anything. I've been approached with sex a few times before, and completely ignored the person in question, or dismissed them. I have a condition in which I seldom see myself at all, and if you were to ask me how my day went or how am I doing, I honestly wouldn't be able to answer the question properly, despite how simple other people make it seem. In cases like these, I either say "It sure was" or "I sure am", which people find not to be an even remotely valid response but I digress.
It's not uncommon for someone to misunderstand anyone else, so you'll have to excuse me for being human. The reason I ask these questions or give my input is ~BECAUSE~ I don't understand fully the context of your statements, so it's only natural for me to say something you find out of context. I understand the simple version, I just don't understand the reasoning behind it. I thought the purpose was to go beyond a simplistic approach, so of course I can't fully understand the simple version of such a complex theory. I wouldn't say that I'm in denial about having homosexual tendencies, because I don't pay enough attention to myself personally to know anything like that. Despite how much I say otherwise, you still seem to have this thought in your head where I'm saying I'm 200% Straight, with no ifs, ands, or buts about it. I assure you that is not the case. In terms of understanding sexuality, I'd say you have some research to do as well, as I've been saying this entire time. This debate could be fruitless in the case that since sexuality cannot be completely understood by any one person despite how hard they may try, we're both right and both wrong. In the case where the 100% specifics aren't known, or even 75% , it's easier to temporarily make it black or white until we can understand it.
Yes, they're all sexual, but he made it seem almost as if they were pretty much the same thing, as if everyone just nonchalantly rolls into a stationary ball like Sonic in crazy glue, and performs oral sex on themselves. Something like this takes talent and effort. I'm not denying they're all sexual, they're just not in direct relation to each other.
I hope this has cleared up any confusion so we can better understand each other. If you have any other thoughts, suggestions, or questions, feel free to let me know so I can elaborate on what you don't understand, as you've done for me.
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Imo, being gay isn't about if you like touching dicks or not. I have yet to actually meet one woman who actually likes sucking/stroking a dick per se. They do it because it make their partner feel good and their partners are mostly male and I would assume that gay men are the same.
Some people here seems to have a dick fetish though as they seem to masturbate because they like touching their dick and doesn't seem that interested in the stimulation it gets, but rather the feeling the hand gets. Saying that you are gay for masturbation seems as far-fetched as calling someone who bite their nails or suck on their thumb for a cannibal.
On topic // @OP
What you fantasize about and what you want doesn't have to be the same thing. But frankly, why does any of this matter? It's no ones business what floats your boat and it's pretty hard for someone else to figure it out for you. There is also no one who can give a precise explanation how homosexuality works or why it occurs because last time i checked, we didn't know.
Some people here seems to have a dick fetish though as they seem to masturbate because they like touching their dick and doesn't seem that interested in the stimulation it gets, but rather the feeling the hand gets. Saying that you are gay for masturbation seems as far-fetched as calling someone who bite their nails or suck on their thumb for a cannibal.
On topic // @OP
What you fantasize about and what you want doesn't have to be the same thing. But frankly, why does any of this matter? It's no ones business what floats your boat and it's pretty hard for someone else to figure it out for you. There is also no one who can give a precise explanation how homosexuality works or why it occurs because last time i checked, we didn't know.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
In response to a guy being jacked off by another guy not having a homosexual experience if he is experiencing it as a heterosexual tendency.
If the only reason he can get hard and can enjoy the pleasure is because he is able to imagine the other person as being of the female variety, then yeah it would in fact be a heterosexual experience for him.
But if part of the reason why he was hard and getting pleasure was because it was a guy, then there we be some homosexuality involved, if not all of it being homosexual.
Hence why you cannot have direct homosexuality, or even heterosexuality involved in masturbation. Because it is only involving you. When you stop using pronouns like his and her, and start using mine you change into a narcissistic tone.
Granted, the fantasies that fuel your masturbation tend to give it a heterosexuality or homosexuality experience, but you will always have that narcissistic feel to it. Unless you can mentally separate yourself into two beings. Which, well is typically a symptom of something being very mentally ill with yourself.
Sexuality will always have it strongest hold in the mental department. While physical sensations will make you feel good, it will always be the mental wanting (male or female) that determine whether or not you are heterosexual or homosexual.
And no, it isn't completely one or the other. In even its most basic form it's a slider scale. But that is ignoring someone who has no sexuality at all as well.
If the only reason he can get hard and can enjoy the pleasure is because he is able to imagine the other person as being of the female variety, then yeah it would in fact be a heterosexual experience for him.
But if part of the reason why he was hard and getting pleasure was because it was a guy, then there we be some homosexuality involved, if not all of it being homosexual.
Hence why you cannot have direct homosexuality, or even heterosexuality involved in masturbation. Because it is only involving you. When you stop using pronouns like his and her, and start using mine you change into a narcissistic tone.
Granted, the fantasies that fuel your masturbation tend to give it a heterosexuality or homosexuality experience, but you will always have that narcissistic feel to it. Unless you can mentally separate yourself into two beings. Which, well is typically a symptom of something being very mentally ill with yourself.
Sexuality will always have it strongest hold in the mental department. While physical sensations will make you feel good, it will always be the mental wanting (male or female) that determine whether or not you are heterosexual or homosexual.
And no, it isn't completely one or the other. In even its most basic form it's a slider scale. But that is ignoring someone who has no sexuality at all as well.
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Sexuality is a part of who you are and like all parts of who you are it is fluid and chances with every experience we have ^_^ what feels right is only an accumulation of who are at birth and who you become as you grow up in your very unique life full of unique experiences ^_^ I do have to correct you on one thing though ^_^ you left out unisexuals lol some of us have no preferences ^_^ "To love one self and no one else" ^_^
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Some of these responses are really long and thus I haven't bothered to read them all, but I perhaps have a unique perspective on the matter.
let's get some backgrond out of the way. I'm a dude, and my favorite kind of porn in the world is male x futa hentai, epsecially stuff like Potato House. But then, when I look at RL shemale porn, it's a disappointment, because it's a non-feminin physique mixed in with a really lackluster cock. However, when waching straight porn, oftentimes I'm more turned on by the idea of sucking the guy's dick than the idea of the guy's dick getting sucked. I also sometimes just fap to close up 3d pics of cocks. Thus, I've always considered myself bi-sexual.
Then I actually tried having sex with another guy. I really enjoyed touching his junk and performing orally on him. As far as reciprocation goes, I enjoy fapping myself and using my own onahole more than receiving a handjob or blowjob from another man. Then it came time for me to fuck him anally... and it was a serious struggle for me to stay hard. I wanted him to enjoy it as much as he could, but I was not at all into the experience. After he got off but I hadn't, he jerked me off using my onahole while I watched hentai, and honestly, it would have been better for me if I had just done it myself, but that would have been kinda rude not to involve him.
If I were to be involved with a guy in the future... I would want it to be part of a threesome. I'm not at all turned on by the idea of getting a reacharound from a dude, but I am excited by the idea of getting anally penetrated by a guy while I'm in the middle of fucking a girl. I have an anal dildo that I've used a few times, so I actually have some idea what that would feel like, so this isn't just baseless talk.
So in summary
Vagina > Anus
Woman physique > Male Physique
Cocks are always good.
And I consider myself straight.
What it really boils down to is if I'm going to be snuggling with another human, I want it to be a woman. I like kissing girls, and I have no interest in kissing guys. The last face I see at night and the first one I see in the morning would be a woman's.
let's get some backgrond out of the way. I'm a dude, and my favorite kind of porn in the world is male x futa hentai, epsecially stuff like Potato House. But then, when I look at RL shemale porn, it's a disappointment, because it's a non-feminin physique mixed in with a really lackluster cock. However, when waching straight porn, oftentimes I'm more turned on by the idea of sucking the guy's dick than the idea of the guy's dick getting sucked. I also sometimes just fap to close up 3d pics of cocks. Thus, I've always considered myself bi-sexual.
Then I actually tried having sex with another guy. I really enjoyed touching his junk and performing orally on him. As far as reciprocation goes, I enjoy fapping myself and using my own onahole more than receiving a handjob or blowjob from another man. Then it came time for me to fuck him anally... and it was a serious struggle for me to stay hard. I wanted him to enjoy it as much as he could, but I was not at all into the experience. After he got off but I hadn't, he jerked me off using my onahole while I watched hentai, and honestly, it would have been better for me if I had just done it myself, but that would have been kinda rude not to involve him.
If I were to be involved with a guy in the future... I would want it to be part of a threesome. I'm not at all turned on by the idea of getting a reacharound from a dude, but I am excited by the idea of getting anally penetrated by a guy while I'm in the middle of fucking a girl. I have an anal dildo that I've used a few times, so I actually have some idea what that would feel like, so this isn't just baseless talk.
So in summary
Vagina > Anus
Woman physique > Male Physique
Cocks are always good.
And I consider myself straight.
What it really boils down to is if I'm going to be snuggling with another human, I want it to be a woman. I like kissing girls, and I have no interest in kissing guys. The last face I see at night and the first one I see in the morning would be a woman's.
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I already made a post about this. I love trap and futa, for the feminine aspects entirely. I find the penis to look good, but have not a single doubt, I wouldn't touch a male in real life, ever. Ever ever EVER!
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sifian_ wrote...
[...]And I consider myself straight.First of all, you'd get +rep from me for your post if I had the required 15 posts. Why? 'cause I like your attitude towards your own sexuality from what I've read in your post.
You're a guy who's into futanari but dislikes RL shemale porn, you're a guy who sometimes jerks of to 3D pics of dicks. Most importantly though, you are a guy who didn't try to hide these facts from yourself, but accepted them and, in a broader sense, embraced them.
So you tried out stuff. And there's nothing wrong with that.
And at the end of the day, you'd prefer snuggling with a woman rather than a man.
And that's it, as simple (or complex) as that.
Now to come to the quote and to my actual point in this discussion: there's no need to put a label on everything. That's to simplify, to separate people. Straight, gay, bi, or whatever else ... it doesn't matter so much. You are you, and there's nothing more to it. You like what you like. Same goes for me. All these percentages are unnecessary. All these classifications are unnecessary. In the end, one's own sexuality can be complicated enough without all these labels and percentages.
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Well being straight as far as I know, I really have no interest in any of the gay porn out there. But who knows, in the right situation or person I may give it a try, eh. I dont think you can say you really arent interested in somthing till you give it a try. I thought bondage and femdom were kinda weird till I tryed it myself, now I think its great fun. Being open to new things sexualy is somthing that everyone should want to strive for, not being nuts now but not being prudes either.
I really dont care if someone is gay or bi or anything... as long as they dont want to fuck a child or a dog or somthing(yes, pedos = dog fuckers).
I really dont care if someone is gay or bi or anything... as long as they dont want to fuck a child or a dog or somthing(yes, pedos = dog fuckers).
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Last thing I heard was that, while female sexuality can be anywhere in a continuum, male sexuality is almost exclusively focused toward one sex or the other. Apparently they tested a group of men and found that men identifying as straight got aroused only by sexual images of women, while men identifying as gay (and a majority of bisexuals, it seems) got aroused by sexual images of men only.
As for myself, I'm straight. I don't read or fap to yaoi, I tend to avoid traps but sometimes enjoy trap-on-girl (they're men, you know?), and I like futa (they're women with dicks, yes). I'm not sexually or emotionally attracted to men, though I have sometimes wondered "if only you were a girl..." about a male friend. I have tried cybering/roleplaying with other men both as a man and as a woman, and I always found the straight scenarios more appealing than the gay ones. This means that even if I tried, I couldn't consider myself anything but straight.
As for myself, I'm straight. I don't read or fap to yaoi, I tend to avoid traps but sometimes enjoy trap-on-girl (they're men, you know?), and I like futa (they're women with dicks, yes). I'm not sexually or emotionally attracted to men, though I have sometimes wondered "if only you were a girl..." about a male friend. I have tried cybering/roleplaying with other men both as a man and as a woman, and I always found the straight scenarios more appealing than the gay ones. This means that even if I tried, I couldn't consider myself anything but straight.