Sharp decline in IQ
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(>'.')>¿;= wrote...
everyones generalizing information and intelligence way, way to much in my opinion. information isnt the answer to a question or facts, its more like relative experiences. you have information in the form of facts, instances, people, places... and a huge majority of the information you know is bias. how your girlfriend is in bed is information only you might know, the information you express on obama becoming president would be bias in the eyes of others. it isnt a matter of curiosity sometimes dålif, life happens and so too does everything with it. when you become intrigued by a possibility or fact youll research it, find what you need to appease the curiosity. and sometimes itll be accidental, you overhear a conversation about an actor who just died or it comes up in conversation. thats whats fun about life and the so called pursuit of information sometimes, its somewhat spontaneous.
as for this whole 'the majority of the population are deficient or inadequate learners' ordeal, no offense... but whats it to you? theres been an aclivity of comfort for our species and your exactly right, its made us lazier. but its also made knowledge more easily attainable thanks to the internet and other mediums, you can even say it takes less effort to gain the answer you were pondering in comparison to decades ago.
edit: i also highly resent the fact that every human is useless. i know for a fact i aint gonna cure cancer or make a substantial difference, but some of us have actually influenced a change for the better. it could be a certain mentality they expressed or technology they created, but history wouldnt be as fruitful an endeavour to record if we didnt have 'useful' humans.
The point isn't that people don't collect information, it's more of an issue of drowning in irrelevance.
And this is nothing recent, it's the way of humanity. Humans are defined by being useless, we feed, we breed, than we die and everything we did during life was for nothing. At the end of ages, not even our scienfistic progress, not even if we learned the meaning of life would make us useful, as we will all have gone away.
That's why I am curious. Can we become more than human?
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dålif wrote...
And this is nothing recent, it's the way of humanity. Humans are defined by being useless, we feed, we breed, than we die and everything we did during life was for nothing. At the end of ages, not even our scienfistic progress, not even if we learned the meaning of life would make us useful, as we will all have gone away.
i say it is what you make it. in the bigger picture were just another species on another planet in another solar system... it goes on, but to me human life and the cause and effect we have on the world and its inhabitants is all thats really important.
dålif wrote...
That's why I am curious. Can we become more than human?
no.
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Bush Comment: He has a degree in accounting. He has a rather nice education. Though some of these "problems" being blamed on him aren't really his fault. Congress has its fat ass in the situation to. Do note however. I didn't vote for him nor would I. I vote Libertarian anyways.
On topic: I believe its the plummeting education standards. America has this bullshit "No Child Left Behind" policy. Because some students couldn't keep up we had to Lower the standards! Overall its a combination of factors. People would rather gorge themselves on junk food rather than eat a nutritious meal and give their brains the proper nutrients it requires. Then the simplicity of things in life is another factor. Tools have replaced the human brain. Take mechanics for example. "Old school" mechanics are masters of their crafts. They can tell you what the problem is just by hearing the car idle. The new generation of mechanics have tools to "help" them but, really these "mechanics" are just parts monkeys because they no longer need to learn anything beyond how to change a part in the engine. When it comes to bad spelling and grammar we can blame that on the whole instant message/text message craze that is going on now. Why waste the time and energy to type out the whole word when the idiot on the other end will understand when you cut out several letters anyways?
There are dozens of factors. In order to cause the brain to deteriorate you have to use it just like any other muscle. Don't use your muscles they will shrink and get weaker. Same goes for the brain.
On topic: I believe its the plummeting education standards. America has this bullshit "No Child Left Behind" policy. Because some students couldn't keep up we had to Lower the standards! Overall its a combination of factors. People would rather gorge themselves on junk food rather than eat a nutritious meal and give their brains the proper nutrients it requires. Then the simplicity of things in life is another factor. Tools have replaced the human brain. Take mechanics for example. "Old school" mechanics are masters of their crafts. They can tell you what the problem is just by hearing the car idle. The new generation of mechanics have tools to "help" them but, really these "mechanics" are just parts monkeys because they no longer need to learn anything beyond how to change a part in the engine. When it comes to bad spelling and grammar we can blame that on the whole instant message/text message craze that is going on now. Why waste the time and energy to type out the whole word when the idiot on the other end will understand when you cut out several letters anyways?
There are dozens of factors. In order to cause the brain to deteriorate you have to use it just like any other muscle. Don't use your muscles they will shrink and get weaker. Same goes for the brain.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Bush Comment: He has a degree in accounting. He has a rather nice education. Though some of these "problems" being blamed on him aren't really his fault. Congress has its fat ass in the situation to. Do note however. I didn't vote for him nor would I. I vote Libertarian anyways.On topic: I believe its the plummeting education standards. America has this bullshit "No Child Left Behind" policy. Because some students couldn't keep up we had to Lower the standards! Overall its a combination of factors. People would rather gorge themselves on junk food rather than eat a nutritious meal and give their brains the proper nutrients it requires. Then the simplicity of things in life is another factor. Tools have replaced the human brain. Take mechanics for example. "Old school" mechanics are masters of their crafts. They can tell you what the problem is just by hearing the car idle. The new generation of mechanics have tools to "help" them but, really these "mechanics" are just parts monkeys because they no longer need to learn anything beyond how to change a part in the engine. When it comes to bad spelling and grammar we can blame that on the whole instant message/text message craze that is going on now. Why waste the time and energy to type out the whole word when the idiot on the other end will understand when you cut out several letters anyways?
There are dozens of factors. In order to cause the brain to deteriorate you have to use it just like any other muscle. Don't use your muscles they will shrink and get weaker. Same goes for the brain.
these posts are to long and difficult everybody LOWER YOUR STANDARDS.
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animeholic1 wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Bush Comment: He has a degree in accounting. He has a rather nice education. Though some of these "problems" being blamed on him aren't really his fault. Congress has its fat ass in the situation to. Do note however. I didn't vote for him nor would I. I vote Libertarian anyways.On topic: I believe its the plummeting education standards. America has this bullshit "No Child Left Behind" policy. Because some students couldn't keep up we had to Lower the standards! Overall its a combination of factors. People would rather gorge themselves on junk food rather than eat a nutritious meal and give their brains the proper nutrients it requires. Then the simplicity of things in life is another factor. Tools have replaced the human brain. Take mechanics for example. "Old school" mechanics are masters of their crafts. They can tell you what the problem is just by hearing the car idle. The new generation of mechanics have tools to "help" them but, really these "mechanics" are just parts monkeys because they no longer need to learn anything beyond how to change a part in the engine. When it comes to bad spelling and grammar we can blame that on the whole instant message/text message craze that is going on now. Why waste the time and energy to type out the whole word when the idiot on the other end will understand when you cut out several letters anyways?
There are dozens of factors. In order to cause the brain to deteriorate you have to use it just like any other muscle. Don't use your muscles they will shrink and get weaker. Same goes for the brain.
these posts are to long and difficult everybody LOWER YOUR STANDARDS.
rofl
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The lowering of standards breeds mediocrity, if the human race wishes to survive mediocrity is not something you want to make standard, otherwise we will never improve, or evolve, however you wish to look at it.
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Hmm... I've been living in both Germany and Denmark for a while and can honestly and bluntly state that it felt like a day and night difference between Denmark and Germany (Denmark being better). I think the largest problem is actually that it is so damn easy to spread certain things that don't help with education through the media these days.
So don't worry people over in the states or wherever :P It isn't bound to you only. One of the worst things in my opinion that spreads is MTV & Co(sorry, just had to say it.) The idolization for some let's say rather "doubtfull" prominent persons is somewhat disturbing. (mtv rant over :P)
Though I must say that often the government is at a fault. Censoring a word like "damn" in a movie / anime for 14 year old kids, yet letting stories about how many times prominent figure X stole things, abandoned school, got dragged to the court, initiated violence etc slip by is rather... incompetent, as the chance that kids / youth get impressed by that in the wrong way are rather high.
But at the end of the day I guess the largest problem of most countries is that the finances for schools are always lower than hoped for, leading to a deficit in education.
So don't worry people over in the states or wherever :P It isn't bound to you only. One of the worst things in my opinion that spreads is MTV & Co(sorry, just had to say it.) The idolization for some let's say rather "doubtfull" prominent persons is somewhat disturbing. (mtv rant over :P)
Though I must say that often the government is at a fault. Censoring a word like "damn" in a movie / anime for 14 year old kids, yet letting stories about how many times prominent figure X stole things, abandoned school, got dragged to the court, initiated violence etc slip by is rather... incompetent, as the chance that kids / youth get impressed by that in the wrong way are rather high.
But at the end of the day I guess the largest problem of most countries is that the finances for schools are always lower than hoped for, leading to a deficit in education.
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Eranikum wrote...
Hmm... I've been living in both Germany and Denmark for a while and can honestly and bluntly state that it felt like a day and night difference between Denmark and Germany (Denmark being better). I think the largest problem is actually that it is so damn easy to spread certain things that don't help with education through the media these days. So don't worry people over in the states or wherever :P It isn't bound to you only. One of the worst things in my opinion that spreads is MTV & Co(sorry, just had to say it.) The idolization for some let's say rather "doubtfull" prominent persons is somewhat disturbing. (mtv rant over :P)
Though I must say that often the government is at a fault. Censoring a word like "damn" in a movie / anime for 14 year old kids, yet letting stories about how many times prominent figure X stole things, abandoned school, got dragged to the court, initiated violence etc slip by is rather... incompetent, as the chance that kids / youth get impressed by that in the wrong way are rather high.
But at the end of the day I guess the largest problem of most countries is that the finances for schools are always lower than hoped for, leading to a deficit in education.
Well put, and I agree MTV IS TO BLAME!!!!! however, it is nice to know that we Americans aren't the only ones experiencing an increase in stupidity. There has actually been a scientific study on this, and it turns out 85% of the American population is "feeble minded" which is a politically correct term for stupid. It's also nice to know there are still a few intelligent individuals left on earth (thx Fakku community).
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Don't you (You being anyone) think it may just help if you can manage to maintain a high level of intelligence or build upon your knowledge/intelligence while the intelligence of others seems to decline? Perhaps you can use it to help yourself while others fall. :twisted:
Hmm no, those are just my evil thoughts.
Hmm no, those are just my evil thoughts.
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Not a Sharp decline in IQ but your probably exposed to an Area that has higher concentrations of lower IQ people or people talented in other things than common sense in life. If you actually go to a university and check it out, there are a lot of intelligent people. As well the IQ test is only based on two types of subjects which is English and mathematics, it does not measure any other abilities like artistic abilities , every one is different.
Where I am from there is only two groups of people.
The First group of people, the dumb people, the people who live life for material possession, live in a very fast paced life style life for today and forget tomw lol thinking short term. The second type of people people who think longer term and set goals, the people who make the material possessions for you such as the Ipod and Iphone. Lol I have a whole thesis on this in fact i am writing a book. Btw i am new here guitarist chemist and manga lover =P and yeah I am gifted IQ 155 =P
Where I am from there is only two groups of people.
The First group of people, the dumb people, the people who live life for material possession, live in a very fast paced life style life for today and forget tomw lol thinking short term. The second type of people people who think longer term and set goals, the people who make the material possessions for you such as the Ipod and Iphone. Lol I have a whole thesis on this in fact i am writing a book. Btw i am new here guitarist chemist and manga lover =P and yeah I am gifted IQ 155 =P
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Yes MTV is also to blame corrupting the youth with their narrow views on everything in life. And also I don t exactly agree with the bush grilling here IMO hes doing what a leader does to protect his country. If most of you know what its like to live in a country where there is so much suppression you would think the other way about the war.When you say bush is stupid you just going with the crowd hence mobb speech. In life there is no such thing as peace only when you die there is no more suffering ironic isn't it ? Life=suffering death = peace I also have a philosophy minor =P
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PaulGilbert wrote...
Yes MTV is also to blame corrupting the youth with their narrow views on everything in life. And also I don t exactly agree with the bush grilling here IMO hes doing what a leader does to protect his country. If most of you know what its like to live in a country where there is so much suppression you would think the other way about the war.When you say bush is stupid you just going with the crowd hence mobb speech. In life there is no such thing as peace only when you die there is no more suffering ironic isn't it ? Life=suffering death = peace I also have a philosophy minor =PHmm. interesting perspective on the Bush subject. Have you ever listened to any of his speaches? For crying out loud the man said "irregardless" on national television. I'm not exactly a liberal or anything I just don't like him. BTW if you don't mind, where are you from? (not trying to be a smartass, I'm just curious)
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If you mean my ethnicity, i am Chinese/Vietnamese ,and paulgilbert is my favorite solo guitarist =D xD. Well i don't want to argue with you and respect your opinion, Bush doesn't write his own speeches are you can tell in he did he wouldn't be shuddering sometimes or looking at the notes. But sometimes to be a leader your gonna have to make choices that will make you unpopular. It was like when was in grade 12 i had to choose to be stupid to be popular and do dumb shit lol like my brother, orr i would study and practice my guitar and piano. Life is almost an analogy to high school, president bush is the nerd head who is choosing to have the apple picking trip rather than the dance =P. Plus also honestly if think of countries as neighbors and people, as another analogy , if you were the Usa proud and brave and someone set your house on fire for no freaking reason, wouldn't you want revenge or prevention ? from it ever happening again ? Honestly peace is when people give and take enough and don't cross lines, its like north korea and the usa right now they are giving and taking which is smart, but when you get people who dont want nothing but to have you killed simply cause your white or your religion is different or their god tells them to than you have no choice right ? i would like to hear what your opinion is ^_^ I want peace as much as the next guy,but living in a world of suppression, communism and totalitarianism, you have your peace but at the cost of your freedom. Like in those countries that the USA just invaded, if you said anything bad about the dictator you would be dead or locked up simply because its a law, just be happy here in the usa or canada if you call a politician an idiot you dont get killed for treason
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PaulGilbert wrote...
If you mean my ethnicity, i am Chinese/Vietnamese ,and paulgilbert is my favorite solo guitarist =D xD. No I was meaning where you live currently. We have an eclectic community here on fakku.net. My opinion is I really just don't like the guy. I get the feeling there's a lot more to this "war on terrorism" than we know. Don't misunderstand, I don't buy into all these conspiracy theories, I just think there's more to it than the government is telling us. The "Patriot" act seriously gives me the creeps. I'm starting to see signs this nation may end up becomming a facist police state. Which I don't see ending well. Basically, I try not to research this stuff because every time I hear of some sort of site discussing this subject it gets mysteriously shut down. Which if you ask me is a really bad sign. Really what I intended when I started this thread was to find out if the growing stupidity of the populace is a problem in other countries as well as the U.S. I was using I.Q. as a general term for intelligence. Not really referring to anyone's specific I.Q.
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As the collective here have pointed out, to gain knowledge in such a limited time that is the rather short lifespan that humans have is useless. Yet, something interesting had caught my eye when skimming over this topic.
Can we become more than human?
If by more than human, that person meant, is there a way to be remembered and live in spirit, then yes.
Kings and queens are immortalized as important decision makers of Europe, famous inventors and scientists are remembered only for what they had discovered. Rulers of pre-conquistador S.America have been revered as Gods on earth.
As such, we can only become more than human by being remembered by the masses.
As gods, conquerers, and rulers.
As for the main topic, people are stupid, individuals are intelligent, when individuals get together to form people, they become stupid.
To individuals, there are exceptions to their intelligence, to people, there is no exception to their stupidity.
Can we become more than human?
If by more than human, that person meant, is there a way to be remembered and live in spirit, then yes.
Kings and queens are immortalized as important decision makers of Europe, famous inventors and scientists are remembered only for what they had discovered. Rulers of pre-conquistador S.America have been revered as Gods on earth.
As such, we can only become more than human by being remembered by the masses.
As gods, conquerers, and rulers.
As for the main topic, people are stupid, individuals are intelligent, when individuals get together to form people, they become stupid.
To individuals, there are exceptions to their intelligence, to people, there is no exception to their stupidity.
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Zero!!! wrote...
As the collective here have pointed out, to gain knowledge in such a limited time that is the rather short lifespan that humans have is useless. Yet, something interesting had caught my eye when skimming over this topic. Can we become more than human?
If by more than human, that person meant, is there a way to be remembered and live in spirit, then yes.
Kings and queens are immortalized as important decision makers of Europe, famous inventors and scientists are remembered only for what they had discovered. Rulers of pre-conquistador S.America have been revered as Gods on earth.
As such, we can only become more than human by being remembered by the masses.
As gods, conquerers, and rulers.
As for the main topic, people are stupid, individuals are intelligent, when individuals get together to form people, they become stupid.
To individuals, there are exceptions to their intelligence, to people, there is no exception to their stupidity.
Elegantly put. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Why, thank you.
It's really a shame that I can only think like this during the night.
During the day, my head is mush.
It's really a shame that I can only think like this during the night.
During the day, my head is mush.
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Zero!!! wrote...
Why, thank you.It's really a shame that I can only think like this during the night.
During the day, my head is mush.
Same here, unfortunately I can only post after work so I'm tired.....Which only makes it a slight imrovement.
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Well, there is a slight loop involved in what I am going to say now, just to inform you beforehand. The problem is that less and less parents take their time to sit themselves down to their children and help them learn anymore. However, as they most likely experienced the same before aswell in the current generation and the standard has been lowered, as mentioned by fiery penguin of doom, they are unable to help their children gain a higher standard again.
However information control is important aswell in my opinion. The mind of children often works like a sponge. They soak everything in that is around them when it comes to information. The problem is that incase the schools don't provide enough information, i.e. lowering of standards, they begin to soak in other crap, and develop based on that, thus the cycle repeats itself.
However information control is important aswell in my opinion. The mind of children often works like a sponge. They soak everything in that is around them when it comes to information. The problem is that incase the schools don't provide enough information, i.e. lowering of standards, they begin to soak in other crap, and develop based on that, thus the cycle repeats itself.