Thug girls
hitting a thug girl
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DanielSan wrote...
I do not believe there should be a double standard for women when it comes to someone punching you and whatnot. I'm not saying 'Tackle them, slam them into a wall, and beat the shit out of them,' I'm just saying a shove or two would not be an awful solution as long you're not breaking people and being unreasonable- To both a male or a girl.Aaaand here's the tricky point. I'm wondering if feminists - or even people who are looking at feminism in a positive light - think this is a valid turn? Equality would dictate that if a girl hit a guy - like right out punched him - that physical retaliation should be allowed.
I personally wouldn't do it, this post just made me wonder.
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Morriko wrote...
As a girl: If your life is in danger, hit them. Those are not women, they are predators. Attack to escape.If you can escape, choose this option first. If they're willing to attack you, I'm sure they came prepared and have many back up plans which could get you hurt even worse.
a lot of girls have tried that on me it hasn't worked some called a few of there "guy friends" on me lets just say with girls I always hold back but with guys I go all out either to prove a point or just for the fun of it
long story short few beatings some hospitalizations some death threats then a few drive by shootings, retaliation drive bys and a couple funerals later they decided I wasn't the person they wanted to fuck around with
a smart choice to say the least.
I was always intimidating so they usually back off but because of that people wanna try to "prove themselves" by fighting me and lets just say after people found out about my gang connections they backed off even quicker.
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SneeakyAsian
CTFG Vanguard
I'm going to be a romantic and say that all women are delicate and good on the inside. You just need to bring it out. I won't fight pre say, but the method of self defense I was taught induces no pain but disables. But anyways, I've delt with thug girls before and some of them actually are somewhat nice people. Then again, I have the slightly delusional hope that all thug women end up like Reina [Yandere Kanojo]
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I never got into a fight with anyone physically or verbally at school, I don't know why but the tougher girls would always voluntarily defend me in my earlier years (grade-middle school). I've had my fair share of arguments with my brother's girlfriend that's living with us. She isn't a "thug" girl, yet I think there's better ways at making your point instead of using your fists.
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MySmile wrote...
I never got into a fight with anyone physically or verbally at school, I don't know why but the tougher girls would always voluntarily defend me in my earlier years (grade-middle school). I've had my fair share of arguments with my brother's girlfriend that's living with us. She isn't a "thug" girl, yet I think there's better ways at making your point instead of using your fists.you haven't had a run in with a thug girl then im talking about girls that physically attack you without reason and if you ask for one they tell you "because your a guy you can take it"
glad you had friends that protected you but not everyone has that and as for me people looked to me for protection some girls thought it would be cool to try and make me their bitch I wasn't tolerating any of that and have no regrets putting them in their place
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Sgt.broski
Where's the futa Jacob
"thug girls"? They sound more like niggas, but anyway my thing is if you don't want harm done to you then don't do harm to others, no exception.
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[size=10]I'm a firm believer in the idea that you should hit a girl in any situation where you would hit a guy. I think it's sexist to do otherwise. But I also think fighting is for children, so.[/h]
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During high school at least at mine if you take offense by something or threatened you would punch or stab them as this school allowed small knifes and most fights so it really doesn't matter the race or gender women complain about equality well if a random 25 year-old gets murdered people raise hell but if a 25 year-old get murdered what the fuck ever but I've personally binge(probably spelt it wrong) but with that if gangs had 'girls' or 'thug girls' there would be stabbing and raping and a lot of it at that.
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I have never hit a woman, and probably never will. I had a situation where some gangster wannabe tried to attack me in high school because I apparently stole her seat(not even going to get into the bullshit behind that) I caught her arm and then put her in a joint lock. There usually no reason to hit anyone, but I'm far more willing so slug a guy than a girl.
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Well I guess it totally depends. I would never hit an innocent girl but that also goes for innocent boys. But girls that behave all high and mighty because they think they will never get hit by a guy, I could totally slap them.
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Well since this topic is one I'm well versed in I'll say that these "thug girls" often pick on weaker males it's a need for dominance thing and while many things can cause this the end result is always a girl picking on a guy , he can't hit her because well even though girls may be able to take a hit it will not look good ..ever ways to stay calm and get yourself out of situations like that are by bluffing, while you may not hit them at least clench a fist to see how far they'll go most will see that as a warning and go no further but some are a little harder to get rid of these thugs can in fact take a hit or can give better than they get , judo is the best defence no solid hits but mostly throws or submission avoiding hitting or striking when all else fails you can run but the bullying may continue the next day , while yes there are girls but in doing something like that is never cool...for any gender ,
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This thread reminds me of this video. I think this woman is a good example of a "thug girl" , she refused to buy a ticket and started to talk shit to the driver and he went along up untill she spit and hit him.
"She wanna be a man, I`mma treat you like a man" - Bus Driver 2012
"She wanna be a man, I`mma treat you like a man" - Bus Driver 2012
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I don't believe in the double standard, all genders are equal, given the scenario.
Requirements for fighting back.
Permanent/significant danger - Allowing them to continue would cause serious harm to me.
Inescapable - I can not run from the situation.
Significantly stronger than me - Seriously fighting someone weaker than me... is despicable to me.
Limitations for fighting.
Bare minimum - Fight to the point an opening to run has been made or a point in which they acknowledge that they can not win.
Avoid attacking directly - Risking the chance of seriously hurting them is not a good or justified choice for me.
In a case where I am being attacked but the wounds are minor, I would have no intent of fighting back. I would (attempt to) endure till the end and (attempt to) find other means of retaliation (non-violent) if a repeat, for me or others, was ensured. If I fail then (what a really bad situation)... Violence with my limitations.
Anyone who willingly inflicts harm onto others should always be ready for harm onto themselves. Even if you don't realize, they should come to understand the impact their decisions make and thoughtfully think each decision through.
Note - I say "attempt to", because planning for an event is different than being in the event, I do not always know what I'll do, but thinking about what I would want to do, this is it.
Requirements for fighting back.
Permanent/significant danger - Allowing them to continue would cause serious harm to me.
Inescapable - I can not run from the situation.
Significantly stronger than me - Seriously fighting someone weaker than me... is despicable to me.
Limitations for fighting.
Bare minimum - Fight to the point an opening to run has been made or a point in which they acknowledge that they can not win.
Avoid attacking directly - Risking the chance of seriously hurting them is not a good or justified choice for me.
In a case where I am being attacked but the wounds are minor, I would have no intent of fighting back. I would (attempt to) endure till the end and (attempt to) find other means of retaliation (non-violent) if a repeat, for me or others, was ensured. If I fail then (what a really bad situation)... Violence with my limitations.
Anyone who willingly inflicts harm onto others should always be ready for harm onto themselves. Even if you don't realize, they should come to understand the impact their decisions make and thoughtfully think each decision through.
Note - I say "attempt to", because planning for an event is different than being in the event, I do not always know what I'll do, but thinking about what I would want to do, this is it.
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I wouldn't hit them back, but I would force them into submission without trying to hurt them too badly. Aikido is an excellent martial art to practice if you want the ability to handle a situation like that without getting violent yourself.
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He, 'thug girls'. Trust me, one doesn't need to be physically violent to be a thug, I spent my high school years in a classroom with 18 girls and 3 guys (me included), and believe me, it was a MESS. There were us three guys who managed to be best friends, a few girls who were more than pleasant company (in an intellectual sense) and the rest was a swarm of hornets grouped together around one or two queens, ready to sting ANYONE who dared go against them.
Of course, once they targeted me and I retaliated physically - I thought about giving a nice punch in the face of the girl who was yelling at me, but I just pulled her hair roughly. That ended in a mess but that's ok, at least they avoided me for a while.
Examples aside, I have my view on this: it doesn't matter if the one who's being a dick to me is a girl, a kid, or the elderly: if what I'm being told warrants a strong reaction, I'll give them what they deserve. Thankfully I'm against violence, so usually I solve these problems verbally.
Of course, once they targeted me and I retaliated physically - I thought about giving a nice punch in the face of the girl who was yelling at me, but I just pulled her hair roughly. That ended in a mess but that's ok, at least they avoided me for a while.
Examples aside, I have my view on this: it doesn't matter if the one who's being a dick to me is a girl, a kid, or the elderly: if what I'm being told warrants a strong reaction, I'll give them what they deserve. Thankfully I'm against violence, so usually I solve these problems verbally.
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I'll make one of my rare returns to SD for a second because this is an issue I've actually talked about recently.
I'm going to generalize OP's question away from 'thug girls' and reinterpret the question as
"Should I hit a woman who is physically attacking me?"
And the answer, as with all real questions, is this: It's complicated.
I'll try to handle a few possible angles of the question to give a full response, the first of which is the moral question: "Is it okay to hit a girl?"
I would say yes. If an able bodied woman attacks you, and the only available option is using physical force in self defense, then I would stand by its moral justification.
If the girl is weak enough that they pose no actual danger to you, and are not causing injury to your person, then no, it is not okay to retaliate with full physical force, but this is true of any situation, and not just of women. In ANY attack, if you are able to subdue the attacker with superior strength without causing excessive harm, then that is almost always the best option.
If an attacker is stronger than you, is using excessive force, or has a weapon and cannot be disarmed peacefully or run away from, then REGARDLESS of gender, race, or reason, I believe it is ones moral right to defend their personal safety (or in some cases the safety of others) to the utmost of their ability. If one is the first to make a situation physically violent, then one must be willing to face the consequences of that, man or woman. That doesn't mean you get angry and beat this person down for attacking you, it means you do what you must to make sure the situation is no longer dangerous, and then do your best to leave it like that.
Okay, so in MY opinion it is morally justifiable to defend yourself with force, regardless of the gender of your attacker, but that's not always the case. In some cultures and groups, the hitting of women is simply not justifiable. There are many cases of men defending themselves against women, only to be attacked by a crowd of people who are enraged at his actions. "How can she slap" is a good example, and a cursory search of the internet can reveal similar instances. These values are deeply ingrained in some people's heads, and so this brings us to the next question:
"Regardless of my moral justification, SHOULD I hit a woman?"
This is a more complex situational answer. Are you in a place where defending yourself with violence will call down more violence upon you? If so, is there a better way to end the situation? If you are being attacked in public, odds are you could do something to get away, or get enough people to subdue the attacker without harming them. Are you alone with the attacker? Then you can defend yourself. Are you surrounded by the allies of the attacker, who will likely do more harm to you in numbers if you harm the original attacker? Then you're in a shit situation and I have no real advice for you. Sometimes life is unfair. Sorry.
There is a commonly a deeper problem with these "thug girls" that they are trying to cope with. Maybe they are being abused at home, maybe they were brought up wrong, but in the end they have some need to use violence against others to feel powerful. Does this make their actions justified? No. Does it make them understandable? Maybe. If you can, simply avoid ANY situation where violence is the only way out.
If the only possible solution to the situation involves you defending yourself, then you can do that, regardless of the genders of any party involved, but the deeply held beliefs about directing violence towards women that may be held by any persons in the crowd may make hitting a girl a very dumb move for your personal safety.
I'm going to generalize OP's question away from 'thug girls' and reinterpret the question as
"Should I hit a woman who is physically attacking me?"
And the answer, as with all real questions, is this: It's complicated.
I'll try to handle a few possible angles of the question to give a full response, the first of which is the moral question: "Is it okay to hit a girl?"
I would say yes. If an able bodied woman attacks you, and the only available option is using physical force in self defense, then I would stand by its moral justification.
If the girl is weak enough that they pose no actual danger to you, and are not causing injury to your person, then no, it is not okay to retaliate with full physical force, but this is true of any situation, and not just of women. In ANY attack, if you are able to subdue the attacker with superior strength without causing excessive harm, then that is almost always the best option.
If an attacker is stronger than you, is using excessive force, or has a weapon and cannot be disarmed peacefully or run away from, then REGARDLESS of gender, race, or reason, I believe it is ones moral right to defend their personal safety (or in some cases the safety of others) to the utmost of their ability. If one is the first to make a situation physically violent, then one must be willing to face the consequences of that, man or woman. That doesn't mean you get angry and beat this person down for attacking you, it means you do what you must to make sure the situation is no longer dangerous, and then do your best to leave it like that.
Okay, so in MY opinion it is morally justifiable to defend yourself with force, regardless of the gender of your attacker, but that's not always the case. In some cultures and groups, the hitting of women is simply not justifiable. There are many cases of men defending themselves against women, only to be attacked by a crowd of people who are enraged at his actions. "How can she slap" is a good example, and a cursory search of the internet can reveal similar instances. These values are deeply ingrained in some people's heads, and so this brings us to the next question:
"Regardless of my moral justification, SHOULD I hit a woman?"
This is a more complex situational answer. Are you in a place where defending yourself with violence will call down more violence upon you? If so, is there a better way to end the situation? If you are being attacked in public, odds are you could do something to get away, or get enough people to subdue the attacker without harming them. Are you alone with the attacker? Then you can defend yourself. Are you surrounded by the allies of the attacker, who will likely do more harm to you in numbers if you harm the original attacker? Then you're in a shit situation and I have no real advice for you. Sometimes life is unfair. Sorry.
There is a commonly a deeper problem with these "thug girls" that they are trying to cope with. Maybe they are being abused at home, maybe they were brought up wrong, but in the end they have some need to use violence against others to feel powerful. Does this make their actions justified? No. Does it make them understandable? Maybe. If you can, simply avoid ANY situation where violence is the only way out.
If the only possible solution to the situation involves you defending yourself, then you can do that, regardless of the genders of any party involved, but the deeply held beliefs about directing violence towards women that may be held by any persons in the crowd may make hitting a girl a very dumb move for your personal safety.
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Aizou wrote...
I would hit that bitch hard. take the girl from the video as an example, she thought that being a girl you give her the right to talk shit and no one would do anything about it, those kind of girls deserve to get hit. "She wanna be a man, I`mma treat you like a man" I totally agree with him.
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I personally think if a girl hits a man first, it's in his right to hit her back.
Women want equal rights, but as soon as they hit a guy, it's like "Oh no don't hit me, I'm a girl" .. I think that's honestly fucking bullshit.
Most guys who do hit a girl back though I find will give warning, and I mean if a bitch doesn't listen and stop hitting after a warning, she deserves to have her ass knocked out.
I don't mean that if a girl slaps a guy, that he should punch her, but I mean if he slapped her back, well it's her fault.
I can't see how it's not fair for a man to hit back when I woman assaults him first.
Women want equal rights, but as soon as they hit a guy, it's like "Oh no don't hit me, I'm a girl" .. I think that's honestly fucking bullshit.
Most guys who do hit a girl back though I find will give warning, and I mean if a bitch doesn't listen and stop hitting after a warning, she deserves to have her ass knocked out.
I don't mean that if a girl slaps a guy, that he should punch her, but I mean if he slapped her back, well it's her fault.
I can't see how it's not fair for a man to hit back when I woman assaults him first.
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GroverCleaveland wrote...
I'll make one of my rare returns to SD for a second because this is an issue I've actually talked about recently.I'm going to generalize OP's question away from 'thug girls' and reinterpret the question as
"Should I hit a woman who is physically attacking me?"
And the answer, as with all real questions, is this: It's complicated.
I'll try to handle a few possible angles of the question to give a full response, the first of which is the moral question: "Is it okay to hit a girl?"
I would say yes. If an able bodied woman attacks you, and the only available option is using physical force in self defense, then I would stand by its moral justification.
If the girl is weak enough that they pose no actual danger to you, and are not causing injury to your person, then no, it is not okay to retaliate with full physical force, but this is true of any situation, and not just of women. In ANY attack, if you are able to subdue the attacker with superior strength without causing excessive harm, then that is almost always the best option.
If an attacker is stronger than you, is using excessive force, or has a weapon and cannot be disarmed peacefully or run away from, then REGARDLESS of gender, race, or reason, I believe it is ones moral right to defend their personal safety (or in some cases the safety of others) to the utmost of their ability. If one is the first to make a situation physically violent, then one must be willing to face the consequences of that, man or woman. That doesn't mean you get angry and beat this person down for attacking you, it means you do what you must to make sure the situation is no longer dangerous, and then do your best to leave it like that.
Okay, so in MY opinion it is morally justifiable to defend yourself with force, regardless of the gender of your attacker, but that's not always the case. In some cultures and groups, the hitting of women is simply not justifiable. There are many cases of men defending themselves against women, only to be attacked by a crowd of people who are enraged at his actions. "How can she slap" is a good example, and a cursory search of the internet can reveal similar instances. These values are deeply ingrained in some people's heads, and so this brings us to the next question:
"Regardless of my moral justification, SHOULD I hit a woman?"
This is a more complex situational answer. Are you in a place where defending yourself with violence will call down more violence upon you? If so, is there a better way to end the situation? If you are being attacked in public, odds are you could do something to get away, or get enough people to subdue the attacker without harming them. Are you alone with the attacker? Then you can defend yourself. Are you surrounded by the allies of the attacker, who will likely do more harm to you in numbers if you harm the original attacker? Then you're in a shit situation and I have no real advice for you. Sometimes life is unfair. Sorry.
There is a commonly a deeper problem with these "thug girls" that they are trying to cope with. Maybe they are being abused at home, maybe they were brought up wrong, but in the end they have some need to use violence against others to feel powerful. Does this make their actions justified? No. Does it make them understandable? Maybe. If you can, simply avoid ANY situation where violence is the only way out.
If the only possible solution to the situation involves you defending yourself, then you can do that, regardless of the genders of any party involved, but the deeply held beliefs about directing violence towards women that may be held by any persons in the crowd may make hitting a girl a very dumb move for your personal safety.
I know a few methods to hit or press to inflict massive pain on someone without full force or injuring them (although they will feel like I am hurting them very badly)
as for the being abused or brought up wrong I was both yet I don't feel the need to lord myself over everyone in a physical manner
on top of that people can try to fight me if they like however most the time I only use a fraction of my fully physical hitting strength in a gut instinct retaliation but if more then one person attacks me for me defending myself I would react with full force with lethal intent tell me how many men would keep fighting after they hear the screams of pain after iv beaten down the first man? how many more would start to run when they see the flash of silver when I pull my knife out? how many would be stupid enough to continue to fight me when they see the streak of blood from the first slash or stab to know I am serious?
trust me I have no fear of what the group thinks I would be more then willing to kill them all or even die defending my rights or what I believe in. basically don't start crap with someone who has these beliefs they will fuck you up regardless of what gender you or they are.
but that's typically not how I normally handled things I usually had a women with me if a girl slapped me I slapped her back then I let the girl that was with me handle it(usually a women I trained myself in hand to hand combat but occasionally just a friend that was good with her fists)
as for the surrounded by allies of the attacker bit well... you've never been in a free for all have you? I have, trust me it doesn't matter how many there are once people start seeing blood from other people getting brutally beat down thinking someone got killed they start to run
put it this way
you are with friends and a friend gets hit your friends all jump up to defend the one who got hit then some of them get thrown or beat down and the attacker just keeps hitting them even while they are on the ground with blood on them you gonna rush in? or try to get away fast as possible thinking of what to say at your friends funeral hoping you don't have to plan your own? sorry if that sounds a bit much but im just sayin people scare easy and if they don't well hell more fun for me I love a challenge
btw I'm not saying the dude is actually dead but try to watch a guy get clocked just straight nailed to the ground knocked unconscious while hes bleeding and tell me that fucker doesn't look like he just died. I'm just saying dude