US Weapon laws

1. The NRA

2. Every psychotic redneck in the south.

3. ME!!!

4. Everyone who takes the constitution seriously.

5. Street gangs

6. Anyone who doesn't trust the government that has been stockpiling guns since the Clinton administration. (including a cousin of mine)

I was meaning after they get those bans in place. Who is to stop them? Collectively people could resit for a while but, c'mon its the United States Freakin Military! The only way to fight them at that point is to use guerrilla tactics which will get them labeled as terrorists. Every group that has stockpiled guns because they don't trust the government or believe an armed conflict will arise in the future ends up getting raided. Governments don't like threats to their control. Simple as that.

You bring up a really good point. However, you have to consider every single soldier in the military have family members that would be the "terrorists" which would prompt at least a few of them to defect. This may not make enough of a difference though. The U.S. is still a military superpower, with several other superpowers backing them. Also, the fact that if this occurs, chances are things will be so bad that most people will have little to lose, and what do humans do when they've got nothing left to lose; they get violent. Personally I'd take dying on my feet over living on my knees.

Well put.

One more thing to consider (dawned on me while smoking a cigarette), is that propaganda won't work quite as well when the war is on the home turf. People will be able to see what's going on first hand. Of course there will always be those who'll refuse to get involved, but for the most part the government wouldn't be able to just start exterminating the citizens of this nation without a public outcry being heard.

Look at the armenians, jews,etc. They were being exterminated in their own countries and there wasn't really anything they could do about it. I agree propaganda wouldn't work as well but, this is America the masses will believe whatever they are told.

You have to remember that a lot of these exterminations took place before the spread of Cyberculture.

Back then, a voice couldn't be heard above the gunfire. Nowadays, an email can make a world of difference.

True, it has been proven 85% of the U.S. population is feeble minded. Basically it'd come down to the "terrorists" being exterminated, and the rest of the country living like obedient dogs. To be honest the whole thing pisses me off royally, but there is little I can do other than fight a losing battle. But, like I said I'd rather die than be an obedient dog.

Total government control means they control your internet access. China has complete control over all media. Giving power,rights,etc up to the government is a slipper slope. We just gave up due process with the patriot act. Gun ownership is on the chopping block, freedom of speech is there beside it. Control the media and you control the thoughts of the masses.

I hate to sound like "The end is nigh" guy but, its looking like that. Gun control is just one step towards total communism.

Amen.

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I agree, I'm not one of these conspiracy theorists, but all the warning signs are rearing their ugly heads. The sad thing is there is very little anyone can do about it. But, (and I'm sorry for saying this for the third time) I'd rather die fighting than lay down and do nothing. If nothing is done at all, the seeds of change won't even be planted, but if some one rises up and takes action, then there's at least the hope of the seeds taking root. The only real way the government could completely prevent this is the mass extermination of a large percentage of the general population. Sadly, I do believe they would resort to this if they see fit.

Sorry to intervene here, but as a German I can say that today we have VERY little problems whatsoever when it comes to firearms and violence commenced with them.
Also your example has one large flaw. The flaw being that you named extremists. However try to compare in which point in time they lived and what the general consensus between the countries and nationalities was like at this point. It is like saying "Germans are bad because of the second world war." Things changed since than and try to look up a statistic how many people die over here because of gunfights. I am sure you will find the percentage ammount compared to the US quite shockingly low.

Also not to mention that in my opinion the US are going in a large vicious circle. On one hand they make it easy obtaining firearms, on the other hand they cry over the lacking police help. Not to mention as far as I know you get to "elect" your Sheriffs. Over here policemen have to qualify, go through a great length of training and incase they screw up with the law they are faster infront of the judge and behind bars than you can say amen.

Not to mention from a German's point of view it is a bit ridiculous that you start "whining" as soon as it comes to a death because of weapons on the other hand you even let the weapons lobby have influence on your politics. That is like trying to blame the demon while you made a pact with the devil.

Last but not least the vicious circle jumps over to the police force aswell. You want to be treated friendly and fair by the police, yet let them deal with the risk of you possessing a firearm and thus having the chance to seriously injure / kill a policeman. Usually at that point the human mind kicks in that everyone is treated like a danger, be it a handicapped person or a robber. Somehow from a Europeans perspective it is a bit like a brawl between children. Everyone points to another and not wanting to find the fault at themselves the first time.


As for why I didn't make the option to "Ban all weapons" with the choice against them in the poll is that e.g. bank security personal or airport security is in need of them.

German point of view?

Look. No one cares about WWII anymore. Give it a rest.

Do you know why extremists are often used as Icons against something?

Because they have, over time, become the symbol of that thing. Hitler, Stalin. Nazis, Commies.

So, it's only natural to use them as figureheads when decrying something they represent.

And, as for gun laws and law enforcement, I feel it is within my right to shoot a man who is pointing a gun at me, regardless of his uniform.

I pointed out historical events that related to weapon bans and how easy it would be for a government or a body of authority to abuse the difference between those with guns and those without guns.

England has seen a increase in gun related crime because the criminals will get a hold of guns legally or illegally. You can't stop that aspect of the truth. Even Australia had a huge surge in crime after their bans. Some accounts even say that increase was 300% of pre-ban levels. A majority of Americans complain about the state of the police departments because almost 90% of them are corrupt or inefficient. A tiny example is a small town south of where I live called Emerson. Their population is 1,092 total the police of this city spent over $1,000,000 in two months on fuel trying to police a Highway that wasn't in their jurisdiction. One Million over budget in two months, two fucking months! The police of my city "lost" about 1000lbs of drugs and about 200 guns because the police were selling them to unscrupulous people. So forgive me if I don't trust the police to be the only ones with guns here. Yes, we "elect" our sheriff and such but, before they are allowed to put their name on the ballot they have to qualify (i.e. have the experience and such).

But, your idea is terrific. I'll give up my only means of defending myself. After that I'll thank you next time I get another night stick to the face because I didn't say "Sir, yes Sir" to a cop who pulled me over (this actually fucking happened). I'll also thank you when someone breaks into my house again and I watch them carry my tv and my desktop out of my house because they have a gun and I don't while I sit and wait for the obese cops to finish their doughnuts and coffee before waddling their asses down here. Here is a great idea to add onto that. How about we raise our taxes even higher we don't need to keep 70% of our income. We could deal with 40% while we hire more corrupt government officials and more fat and lazy cops to push us around.

Sorry but, what works for Germany might not work for America. We have two different cultures and the people of each country think too differently. Our government already abuses the power is has (look up Eminent domain abuse,US Patriot Act, Wire tapping non-terror suspects,etc). Think what it would be like if we turn everything over to them?

Agreed. Also, I personally am not a big fan of guns, but I share penguins beliefe that I should have the right to shoot some asshole pointing a gun at me regardless of what uniform he's wearing. However, currently I am not allowed to own a gun, and I won't be able to own a gun until I'm 32. So in the mean time I'll stick to my blades. Anyway, the police in this country do tend to be corrupt bastards, that's what happens when you make law enforcement an industry. When I was arrested there were no questions asked, they just came up didn't tell me why I was pulled over, and told me to get out of my car. Then one cop searched my car, without reasonable suspicion. Then when they found my roomates coke they drew their guns, knowing neither one of us were armed, slammed me on the ground, put the gun to my head and slapped the cuffs on (illustrating the obvious lack of due process). Then they took my roomate over to their car and started talking to him. I have no idea what they were talking about, but they never even considered questioning me. After this they threw my ass in the squad car, and let my roomate walk home. I'm convinced he payed them off, or was working as a snitch the whole time (illustrating the corrupt aspect). Now I'm not saying all police everywhere are corrupt, but the problem is most of the police just end up abusing the power they have been entrusted with.

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the polices are asses, i'm getting what u guys are getting at, but still, the idea of granting the general public rights to bare arms is just..., doesn't it just seem a bit too "dangerous" that everyone's got a Deagle in their pockets, i mean, what if some folk got pissed and just put a bullet in ur head simply because of rage at that certain moment before he could get it in his head that "guns" kill easier. Taking a punch is certainly much more "comfortable" than a bullet in the ass.

the amount of gun deaths a year in the united states as opposed to most of the world (not including war zones) should be clear cut justification to increase the amount of oversight for American firearm laws.

Here is a question. Are you going to piss off a guy with a gun? Also statistic have proven that someone who receives training on how to use their gun are less likely to use it on an impulse because someone just "pissed them off". Most people who just impulsively shoot someone usually did not have any form of real training with their gun. The type to shoot someone without really thinking about it would be some jerk-off who just bought a gun at a pawn shop or wal-mart. I was unable to find anything but, something to look up would be how many NRA members have used their guns to commit a crime that wasn't murder in self defense.

guys,history proved that guns killed much more people than any other form of weapons.

so why make it easier to own guns?

History also proves that those with guns bully those without guns. So why give someone such an advantage over you?