What if hentai gets banned, PERMANENTLY?
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What am I gonna do?
Jerk it to what I already have on disk and encrypt that, or rely on my imagination as I do in the overwhelming number of cases anyways. If shit gets desperate, I could always suffer in sloppily drawing crap for myself.
Do I think it's possible?
Sure, why not. I think a clampdown on porn in general is more likely though. Great political capital. Lots of money in it too.
Thoughts? Opinions?
Also, I don't hate feminists. There's feminists and feminists, some of which I adore and some of which I abhor.
Jerk it to what I already have on disk and encrypt that, or rely on my imagination as I do in the overwhelming number of cases anyways. If shit gets desperate, I could always suffer in sloppily drawing crap for myself.
Do I think it's possible?
Sure, why not. I think a clampdown on porn in general is more likely though. Great political capital. Lots of money in it too.
Thoughts? Opinions?
Hibia wrote...
I have a problem with them clamping down on peoples rights, but oh well.Also, I don't hate feminists. There's feminists and feminists, some of which I adore and some of which I abhor.
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SHIT!!! Are you fucking serious?! I mean if they ban Hentai they'll hear a lot of protest. I'm not talking about just a riot, i'm talking about a revolt! I mean about half the world loves and adores hentai if they ban it who knows what people/I will do?!
If they do ban it. I'll seriously go on a revolt!!! It's HUMAN RIGHTS GODDAMMIT!!! It's not even real! DEATH TO THOSE THAT EVEN THINK ABOUT BANNING HENTAI!!! LET THEIR FLESH ROT SLOWLY AND SUFFER UNTIL THEY SLOWLY DESCEND TO DEATH!!!
If they do ban it. I'll seriously go on a revolt!!! It's HUMAN RIGHTS GODDAMMIT!!! It's not even real! DEATH TO THOSE THAT EVEN THINK ABOUT BANNING HENTAI!!! LET THEIR FLESH ROT SLOWLY AND SUFFER UNTIL THEY SLOWLY DESCEND TO DEATH!!!
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Damienthedevil wrote...
SHIT!!! Are you fucking serious?! I mean if they ban Hentai they'll hear a lot of protest. I'm not talking about just a riot, i'm talking about a revolt! I mean about half the world loves and adores hentai if they ban it who knows what people/I will do?! If they do ban it. I'll seriously go on a revolt!!! It's HUMAN RIGHTS GODDAMMIT!!! It's not even real! DEATH TO THOSE THAT EVEN THINK ABOUT BANNING HENTAI!!! LET THEIR FLESH ROT SLOWLY AND SUFFER UNTIL THEY SLOWLY DESCEND TO DEATH!!!
If by revolt you mean manly internet postings, a "DON'T BAN H3NT4IZ" facebook group and an online petition, then sure - a revolt there will be!
And while I'm off on a tangent:
Lol @ filter software. Please know what the fuck you're doing when going all serious, almost as professional as the neverending "fight" against p2p.
I cordially invite you to take a gander at the things the dudes down at ironport have been working on recently. That stuff is beyond just boring lah-dee-dah ETSI lawful interception compliance. The technology to "go all serious" is being developed right as we speak. Which brings us back to the money argument I mentioned in my previous post...
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gibbous wrote...
Damienthedevil wrote...
SHIT!!! Are you fucking serious?! I mean if they ban Hentai they'll hear a lot of protest. I'm not talking about just a riot, i'm talking about a revolt! I mean about half the world loves and adores hentai if they ban it who knows what people/I will do?! If they do ban it. I'll seriously go on a revolt!!! It's HUMAN RIGHTS GODDAMMIT!!! It's not even real! DEATH TO THOSE THAT EVEN THINK ABOUT BANNING HENTAI!!! LET THEIR FLESH ROT SLOWLY AND SUFFER UNTIL THEY SLOWLY DESCEND TO DEATH!!!
If by revolt you mean manly internet postings, a "DON'T BAN H3NT4IZ" facebook group and an online petition, then sure - a revolt there will be!
Hehe, my thoughts too. Just not enough support to put a good front.
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It's like the apocolypse already if hentai get's banned everywhere. (╬ ಠ益ಠ)
We can just start up a sharing between us hentai lovers then if that happens. :D
We can just start up a sharing between us hentai lovers then if that happens. :D
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I'd say a lot of hentai could already be illegal in the UK under a technicality. The loli law they introduced bans any depiction which appears to be under 18 in the opinion of the police (and then naturally jurors). I wouldn't be surprised if they filtered it all or got ISP's to check, they've already done it for file sharing. A friend of mine got a cease-and-desist letter from his ISP for irregular seeding, they're talking of implementing the French speed limits, and my Peerguardian is often full of MediaSentry etc. They could get you while they're looking for something else and tack it on.
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doswillrule wrote...
I'd say a lot of hentai could already be illegal in the UK under a technicality. The loli law they introduced bans any depiction which appears to be under 18 in the opinion of the police (and then naturally jurors). I wouldn't be surprised if they filtered it all or got ISP's to check, they've already done it for file sharing. A friend of mine got a cease-and-desist letter from his ISP for irregular seeding, they're talking of implementing the French speed limits, and my Peerguardian is often full of MediaSentry etc. They could get you while they're looking for something else and tack it on.UK law is particularly great in these respects anyways. In conjunction with Blunkett's Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act of 2000 (c.23), that is something to behold. By the way, the bold text in the quote denotes the situation in most of Europe already. In those countries where it doesn't yet, it becomes mandatory to implement as an EU regulation by 2010.
As an aside: I think it's funny how the Scottish Pornography Act, which would have banned all porn for good (classifying it as hate crime against women) was given up on largely because of the resistance of Backlash and Feminists Against Censorship. Simply because except for Baroness Chilthorne-Domer there were no politicos or even only journos willing to speak out against such plans. I thought that incident very striking, and frankly foreshadowing possible future events.
edit: just as a side note: speed-limits are a UK thing, under the loi hadopi, your internet gets cut for good (and you have to continue to pay for the services nonetheless).
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I don't see it happening.
And the rest of you who do, are really beginning to come off as paranoids.
It's just...well, silly. There is no censorship system in the world, past present or future, that can completely eliminate something. There never will be, because it's not possible under the Universal law of Trade Goods (If there is a market for it, then it's out there.)
As well, when you reference China as "This is the way the world's going", I get this feeling that you miss the point:
China is the exception. Not the rule. China has been degrading into the political cesspit it is now for decades, and everyone simply hung around and tried to ignore the issue at hand.
It's not the same for the rest of the world. For example, the Pirate Party recently won two seats in the European Parliament. If we're really heading towards an Orwellian state, how the fuck did that happen?
And the rest of you who do, are really beginning to come off as paranoids.
It's just...well, silly. There is no censorship system in the world, past present or future, that can completely eliminate something. There never will be, because it's not possible under the Universal law of Trade Goods (If there is a market for it, then it's out there.)
As well, when you reference China as "This is the way the world's going", I get this feeling that you miss the point:
China is the exception. Not the rule. China has been degrading into the political cesspit it is now for decades, and everyone simply hung around and tried to ignore the issue at hand.
It's not the same for the rest of the world. For example, the Pirate Party recently won two seats in the European Parliament. If we're really heading towards an Orwellian state, how the fuck did that happen?
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Arizth wrote...
I don't see it happening.And the rest of you who do, are really beginning to come off as paranoids.
It's just...well, silly. There is no censorship system in the world, past present or future, that can completely eliminate something. There never will be, because it's not possible under the Universal law of Trade Goods (If there is a market for it, then it's out there.)
As well, when you reference China as "This is the way the world's going", I get this feeling that you miss the point:
China is the exception. Not the rule. China has been degrading into the political cesspit it is now for decades, and everyone simply hung around and tried to ignore the issue at hand.
It's not the same for the rest of the world. For example, the Pirate Party recently won two seats in the European Parliament. If we're really heading towards an Orwellian state, how the fuck did that happen?
I agree. It's becoming a bit of a paranoia. Steps may be taken, but it it impossible to completely ban something like that.
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Spoiler:
Ah, I didn't realise it was an EU regulation. The speed limits for people using illegal file-sharing is definitely a Sarkozy scheme, though, but it was recently removed by some kind of watchdog who said they didn't have the right. As for the Scottish act, I can't help but feel that Scotland appearing even more conservative, and holding far less precedence with major political figures and news outlets here, wouldn't have helped. I still don't think a specific law would get through here, at least not without some resistance.
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They're still getting banned regardless or will be, and paranoid as I may be, it's happening with an increased tempo. (Japan, Phillipines, China, and so on.)
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It'll still be available though. It isn't like any of us in here aren't already bending the law in one fashion or another. Little late to worry about that now. :P
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Scion in chains
The Forgotten Faggot
Hentai? Banned? NEEEEEVVEEEERR!!!!! *finds a desk and bangs head on it*
Seriously though if they are going to ban hentai then porn will go up in flames next and then the hentai wars will begin. The APOCALYPSE!!!0.0
And all because these sticks in ass bastards want to make everyone a trees bitch like them. DAMN that lites a fire in my soul!
Seriously though if they are going to ban hentai then porn will go up in flames next and then the hentai wars will begin. The APOCALYPSE!!!0.0
And all because these sticks in ass bastards want to make everyone a trees bitch like them. DAMN that lites a fire in my soul!
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Here is one of those quotes I found on the various blog sites covering the recent ban on rape eroge and possibly loli as well as non-human characters. I guess it holds a certain extent of truth.
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.
Edit: Another quote. Feel free to throw in your own terms.
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a lolicon.
Then they came for the rape fetishists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a rape fetishist.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
I would think the best thing we can do for now is to raise awareness among the community.
anonymous wrote...
When the Nazis came for the communists,I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.
Edit: Another quote. Feel free to throw in your own terms.
Anonymous wrote...
They came first for the lolicons,and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a lolicon.
Then they came for the rape fetishists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a rape fetishist.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
I would think the best thing we can do for now is to raise awareness among the community.
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Gambler wrote...
Spoiler:
I had to read that quote twice, then I got it. And based on my interpretation of it, it's a pretty epic quote. What it says to me is that if you don't act out for others, simply because their problems aren't yours yet, sooner or later you may reach a downfall because of it. Because eventually the result of taking no action against other's problems may actually come back hurt you.
It kinda reminds me of that other thread now, the one about rape eroge being banned. When I think about it, I kinda had an "oh well" outlook on the topic. Or at least that's how I recall posting. I didn't do anything about it because I wasn't a rape eroge fan. So, take away rape, no big deal. I'm no rape fan.
Ah, then they'll take away another thing... and keep taking. To not care, until it's me that's targeted or my type of thing that's targeted.. can prove to be negative indeed.
I never quite thought of that 'till now. And haha, maybe I didn't even interpret the quote the way it was intended to be interpreted, but I kinda like the message I was able to take from it.
Ah.. but despite what I realized from it... what can we do...? It seems we don't have power, the people. Not as much as we'd like to think we have... but I suppose, as you said.. for now.. we can raise awareness.
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gibbous wrote...
OT: Spoiler:
Would I be right in thinking that he was imprisoned at Sachsenhausen for a while? I read something about him when I visited, and I believe I saw his prison cell in the SS barracks.
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doswillrule wrote...
Would I be right in thinking that he was imprisoned at Sachsenhausen for a while? I read something about him when I visited, and I believe I saw his prison cell in the SS barracks.
Yeah. And dear doswillrule, what I meant about speed limits being an UK thing, is that the french law (overturned by the conseil constitutionnel, now reintroduced with special tribunals in place of the HADOPI to make it constitutional) is aimed at entirely severing someone's internet connection, whereas the UK equivalent is about limiting people's bandwidth. Just to clarify.
I purposefully elided my last night's in depth post because any discussion of this matter is unfruitful, but for those interested, I suggest the following links (all official, of course), which make for grim - but intriguing - reading:
Spoiler:
So much for "paranoia".