What is your opinion on plastic surgery?
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KaelaMensha wrote...
I must say shame on alot of you. Have you never heard of "Beauty is only skin deep". Alot of people undertake surgery whether cosmetic or otherwise not for the benefit of others but rather to feel acceptable to themselves. Michael Jackson might look to you now like a freak and on some levels I must say he did take things too far, however he had a problem- a skin disease, he would not have stayed "black" even if he wanted to but develop blotches and patches of white on himself which would make him look rather freaky to most people. Instead he opted to just fast forward his transition and look white all together.
Then take transexuals, they are not changing their genders or appearance to please you but rather to be able to live with themselves. Many men do not identify themselves as men, and in the same regard many women do not identify themselves as women. Every moment they glimpse or even think of themselves as the gender they are not is a moment of torment. Of course I'm sure there are many here whose only notion of "torment" comes from seeing their favorite anime character in some sort of dire situation. But let me tell you it delves deeper than that.
It is easy to simply judge others and what they do, but one must invoke a level of empathy and try to understand the reason why they do what they have done.
"Beauty is only skin deep"- what matters in the end is the perception one has of herself. Screw the bigots, if it makes you accept yourself more: then do it.
wat?
Beauty is only skin deep, but it's okay for people to change their appearance if they think they don't look good?
The examples you've brought up don't deal really with how the person sees him/herself physically. Jackson had a disease, and people who get sex changes are often screwed over by nature at birth, but what about a woman who gets breast implants so she can be more appealing to men? Sure, it's for her own benefit in a way, because she wants men to be more attracted to her, but she's doing it for men. She won't enjoy the bigger breasts by themselves, only if they attract men.
You can't say that people shouldn't be shallow and then say that it's okay for shallow people to get surgery to make themselves look better.
Also, don't double post (or triple post, in this case). Just make one post. Even if you want to quote several people, do it in one post.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
KaelaMensha wrote...
I must say shame on alot of you. Have you never heard of "Beauty is only skin deep". Alot of people undertake surgery whether cosmetic or otherwise not for the benefit of others but rather to feel acceptable to themselves. Michael Jackson might look to you now like a freak and on some levels I must say he did take things too far, however he had a problem- a skin disease, he would not have stayed "black" even if he wanted to but develop blotches and patches of white on himself which would make him look rather freaky to most people. Instead he opted to just fast forward his transition and look white all together.
Then take transexuals, they are not changing their genders or appearance to please you but rather to be able to live with themselves. Many men do not identify themselves as men, and in the same regard many women do not identify themselves as women. Every moment they glimpse or even think of themselves as the gender they are not is a moment of torment. Of course I'm sure there are many here whose only notion of "torment" comes from seeing their favorite anime character in some sort of dire situation. But let me tell you it delves deeper than that.
It is easy to simply judge others and what they do, but one must invoke a level of empathy and try to understand the reason why they do what they have done.
"Beauty is only skin deep"- what matters in the end is the perception one has of herself. Screw the bigots, if it makes you accept yourself more: then do it.
wat?
Beauty is only skin deep, but it's okay for people to change their appearance if they think they don't look good?
The examples you've brought up don't deal really with how the person sees him/herself physically. Jackson had a disease, and people who get sex changes are often screwed over by nature at birth, but what about a woman who gets breast implants so she can be more appealing to men? Sure, it's for her own benefit in a way, because she wants men to be more attracted to her, but she's doing it for men. She won't enjoy the bigger breasts by themselves, only if they attract men.
You can't say that people shouldn't be shallow and then say that it's okay for shallow people to get surgery to make themselves look better.
Also, don't double post (or triple post, in this case). Just make one post. Even if you want to quote several people, do it in one post.
I have to say you know little about women. Alot of people who have breast enlargements actually do it to feel better about themselves- NOT to please guys like yourself as you might think. Yes there are those who do it believing that with bigger boobs they might attract more men or get a better job but it is essentially about the perception of oneself. Alot of women wear attractive, sexy and somewhat "revealing" outfits even if they're in a very good relationship as well as get pedicures, facials and tons others not because they want to attract a mate but because they want to feel better about themselves. They want to feel sexy and attractive and that is what I mean about a person's perception of themselves. Same could be said about someone who has breast implants or under-gone cosmetic surgery.
At the end of the day if a 50 year old woman feels better that she has had cosmetic surgery and "feels" attractive- isn't that what counts? Does it make them any less shallow than other people?
There are guys who work out, they go to gym, they swim, they get tattoos; girls who get a facial every week, pedicures, work on their self image. Alot of these people are in serious, stable relationships and not looking to attract "mates" but do such things to feel better, to instill a feeling of confidence in themselves when they go out and meet people. In the same respect, a girl or guy for that matter who percieves his or her nose to be too big have a reduction through surgical means- it lets them feel more confident of themselves. What is the difference?
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KaelaMensha wrote...
ShaggyJebus wrote...
KaelaMensha wrote...
I must say shame on alot of you. Have you never heard of "Beauty is only skin deep". Alot of people undertake surgery whether cosmetic or otherwise not for the benefit of others but rather to feel acceptable to themselves. Michael Jackson might look to you now like a freak and on some levels I must say he did take things too far, however he had a problem- a skin disease, he would not have stayed "black" even if he wanted to but develop blotches and patches of white on himself which would make him look rather freaky to most people. Instead he opted to just fast forward his transition and look white all together.
Then take transexuals, they are not changing their genders or appearance to please you but rather to be able to live with themselves. Many men do not identify themselves as men, and in the same regard many women do not identify themselves as women. Every moment they glimpse or even think of themselves as the gender they are not is a moment of torment. Of course I'm sure there are many here whose only notion of "torment" comes from seeing their favorite anime character in some sort of dire situation. But let me tell you it delves deeper than that.
It is easy to simply judge others and what they do, but one must invoke a level of empathy and try to understand the reason why they do what they have done.
"Beauty is only skin deep"- what matters in the end is the perception one has of herself. Screw the bigots, if it makes you accept yourself more: then do it.
wat?
Beauty is only skin deep, but it's okay for people to change their appearance if they think they don't look good?
The examples you've brought up don't deal really with how the person sees him/herself physically. Jackson had a disease, and people who get sex changes are often screwed over by nature at birth, but what about a woman who gets breast implants so she can be more appealing to men? Sure, it's for her own benefit in a way, because she wants men to be more attracted to her, but she's doing it for men. She won't enjoy the bigger breasts by themselves, only if they attract men.
You can't say that people shouldn't be shallow and then say that it's okay for shallow people to get surgery to make themselves look better.
Also, don't double post (or triple post, in this case). Just make one post. Even if you want to quote several people, do it in one post.
I have to say you know little about women. Alot of people who have breast enlargements actually do it to feel better about themselves- NOT to please guys like yourself as you might think. Yes there are those who do it believing that with bigger boobs they might attract more men or get a better job but it is essentially about the perception of oneself. Alot of women wear attractive, sexy and somewhat "revealing" outfits even if they're in a very good relationship as well as get pedicures, facials and tons others not because they want to attract a mate but because they want to feel better about themselves. They want to feel sexy and attractive and that is what I mean about a person's perception of themselves. Same could be said about someone who has breast implants or under-gone cosmetic surgery.
At the end of the day if a 50 year old woman feels better that she has had cosmetic surgery and "feels" attractive- isn't that what counts? Does it make them any less shallow than other people?
There are guys who work out, they go to gym, they swim, they get tattoos; girls who get a facial every week, pedicures, work on their self image. Alot of these people are in serious, stable relationships and not looking to attract "mates" but do such things to feel better, to instill a feeling of confidence in themselves when they go out and meet people. In the same respect, a girl or guy for that matter who percieves his or her nose to be too big have a reduction through surgical means- it lets them feel more confident of themselves. What is the difference?
I don't think I need to point out the difference between putting on makeup or working out and getting surgery just to look good. You can say it's the same thing, but it's not.
Furthermore, people often work out to make themselves healthier, not just to make themselves look better, and people get tattoos not to impress anybody, but as a form of self-expression. There is no way that a boob job or nose job is self-expression.
People's perceptions of themselves often come from other people. A girl doesn't think she has a big nose unless someone tells her that she does, or she sees a bunch of models with small noses and believes that she is ugly. When a person changes his/her body, it is to appeal to other people, so that the person perhaps won't be mocked or ignored in a club. Fake boobs, in and of themselves, are useless. They're only helpful if other people notice them. The woman doesn't get more physical pleasure from them, and all emotional pleasure comes from the people who act differently, who act better, around her. If a woman with breast implants moved to a place where small boobs where the usual preference, the woman would probably get the implants removed, even if she had only had the implants for a year.
My point is, society has a lot to say about what "beauty" is, but society isn't always right, and it can quickly change its mind. If a person feels the need to dramatically change who they are because of what society says, that person deserves a bit of pity. If a person wants to express themselves, or make a change, they can easily get a haircut, dye their hair, work out to lose some weight, put on some makeup, or anything else that doesn't require hours of effort or paying thousands of dollars. And the way I see it, the women (or men) who spend a ton of money every week on pedicures, manicures, facial scrubs, and all that other crap are as bad as those who get plastic surgery. We're all at least a little shallow, but we should all try to only be a little shallow and not obsess over our appearance so much that if we get a wrinkle or aren't as big (genital/boob-wise) as we'd like to be, we don't spend all our money "fixing" something that's natural. Old women are going to get wrinkles. If a 50-year-old woman can't handle that simple fact, then she needs help, because how the hell is she going to handle all the other things that come with old age?
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
KaelaMensha wrote...
ShaggyJebus wrote...
[quote="KaelaMensha"]I must say shame on alot of you. Have you never heard of "Beauty is only skin deep". Alot of people undertake surgery whether cosmetic or otherwise not for the benefit of others but rather to feel acceptable to themselves. Michael Jackson might look to you now like a freak and on some levels I must say he did take things too far, however he had a problem- a skin disease, he would not have stayed "black" even if he wanted to but develop blotches and patches of white on himself which would make him look rather freaky to most people. Instead he opted to just fast forward his transition and look white all together.
Then take transexuals, they are not changing their genders or appearance to please you but rather to be able to live with themselves. Many men do not identify themselves as men, and in the same regard many women do not identify themselves as women. Every moment they glimpse or even think of themselves as the gender they are not is a moment of torment. Of course I'm sure there are many here whose only notion of "torment" comes from seeing their favorite anime character in some sort of dire situation. But let me tell you it delves deeper than that.
It is easy to simply judge others and what they do, but one must invoke a level of empathy and try to understand the reason why they do what they have done.
"Beauty is only skin deep"- what matters in the end is the perception one has of herself. Screw the bigots, if it makes you accept yourself more: then do it.
wat?
Beauty is only skin deep, but it's okay for people to change their appearance if they think they don't look good?
The examples you've brought up don't deal really with how the person sees him/herself physically. Jackson had a disease, and people who get sex changes are often screwed over by nature at birth, but what about a woman who gets breast implants so she can be more appealing to men? Sure, it's for her own benefit in a way, because she wants men to be more attracted to her, but she's doing it for men. She won't enjoy the bigger breasts by themselves, only if they attract men.
You can't say that people shouldn't be shallow and then say that it's okay for shallow people to get surgery to make themselves look better.
Also, don't double post (or triple post, in this case). Just make one post. Even if you want to quote several people, do it in one post.
I have to say you know little about women. Alot of people who have breast enlargements actually do it to feel better about themselves- NOT to please guys like yourself as you might think. Yes there are those who do it believing that with bigger boobs they might attract more men or get a better job but it is essentially about the perception of oneself. Alot of women wear attractive, sexy and somewhat "revealing" outfits even if they're in a very good relationship as well as get pedicures, facials and tons others not because they want to attract a mate but because they want to feel better about themselves. They want to feel sexy and attractive and that is what I mean about a person's perception of themselves. Same could be said about someone who has breast implants or under-gone cosmetic surgery.
At the end of the day if a 50 year old woman feels better that she has had cosmetic surgery and "feels" attractive- isn't that what counts? Does it make them any less shallow than other people?
There are guys who work out, they go to gym, they swim, they get tattoos; girls who get a facial every week, pedicures, work on their self image. Alot of these people are in serious, stable relationships and not looking to attract "mates" but do such things to feel better, to instill a feeling of confidence in themselves when they go out and meet people. In the same respect, a girl or guy for that matter who percieves his or her nose to be too big have a reduction through surgical means- it lets them feel more confident of themselves. What is the difference?
I don't think I need to point out the difference between putting on makeup or working out and getting surgery just to look good. You can say it's the same thing, but it's not. The only difference there is to it is the permanence of the change as well as the cost of it.
Furthermore, people often work out to make themselves healthier, not just to make themselves look better, and people get tattoos not to impress anybody, but as a form of self-expression. There is no way that a boob job or nose job is self-expression.
Your comment about a girl getting a boob or nose job so she can get laid is blatantly inaccurate. Infact it's almost insulting, if a girl wants to look good or attractive, it always so she can run out and attract a mate. Same goes for guys but to a lesser degree, when you feel you look good it instills a confidence in you that you would not otherwise have. Ever try moving to a new school or walking in on your first day of work on a bad hair day- I can tell you it's hell.
Back on topic however: I stick by what I say, if you can afford it and if it makes you feel good about yourself then yes Cosmetic Surgery is acceptable in my book. The only instance it would not be is if its harmful or you feel coerced into doing it, ie- guy pressuring his girl into getting bigger boobs.
As humans, from birth, we are always changing and altering ourselves by whatever means is available to us. To say "oh your boobs are unnatural" or "that nose.. thats not a real nose" but be alright with someone tatto'ing, applying make up, hair extensions, dressing up is simply bigotry. If we accept that as humans we wish to alter our appearance to seem pleasing to others and ourselves at one degree we shouldn't belittle others who do it on other degrees (again I reiterate) as long as it's within their means to do so and does not cause themselves or others harm.
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I don't think plastic surgery is necessary. i don't really get why people go insane over their nose being to big or their lips not look right. I just don't get why people worry over the smallest things! i don't agree with plastic surgery at all!
But i guess if you have something really noticeable like a 6 inch scar on your face or something similar then i guess i would understand but other wise just get over it you wouldn't need the surgery.
But i guess if you have something really noticeable like a 6 inch scar on your face or something similar then i guess i would understand but other wise just get over it you wouldn't need the surgery.
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they just ruin the gift of GOD.
all of us are beautiful, so why do we have
to change our face? hmm. i would never
ever go on plastic surgery.
all of us are beautiful, so why do we have
to change our face? hmm. i would never
ever go on plastic surgery.
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swordmanXIII
FAKKU's Breaker
jsut dont get it
simple as that be happy with what you where given and don't do it
unless it's for medical perposes then
yeah do it
if you lost your nose to a bullet then by all means cover it up if you want but don't do it in the name of vanity.
simple as that be happy with what you where given and don't do it
unless it's for medical perposes then
yeah do it
if you lost your nose to a bullet then by all means cover it up if you want but don't do it in the name of vanity.